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Old 24-01-2013, 02:43
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It's unclear on all the video footage but when the first replay is shown on the BBC highlights, as they are asking Laudrup about it, there is a clear bang heard as Hazard kicks out.
A second or two later, the ball appears up against the hoardings and Hazard steps over the lad to pick it up.

Unless the BBC have mischievously inserted the bang, or someone else randomly banged the hoarding just as Hazard was kicking out, he must have connected with the ball for it to make that noise, a rolling ball would not have. It's possible there could be some other explanation for the bang but it beats me what it could be - the lad's head not his feet pointed at the hoarding amd Hazard wasn't up against it then.
try comparing to this ...4th post down

http://www.theshedend.com/topic/2275...ballboy/page-8
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Old 24-01-2013, 02:46
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If you watch all the available angles it becomes clear that the Chelsea player kicked the boy as well as the ball.
I have seen those angles and he catches his coat, not his actual body.
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Old 24-01-2013, 02:48
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Chelsea fans would have been supporting Jimmy Saville if he was an employee of Abramovich.
You're one to talk, how many chances are you going to give Suarez then before you lot realise that it isn't the media ganging up on him ?
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Old 24-01-2013, 02:51
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Hadn't seen that angle - yep, the ball didn't strike the hoarding - the bang must have been something else. The long arm of coincidence, I withdraw.

But it does show he connected with the ball which squirts out doesn't roll out (and then, or simultaneously, I think he contacted the lad's right side, I can't see how he could not do that).
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Old 24-01-2013, 03:06
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Hadn't seen that angle - yep, the ball didn't strike the hoarding - the bang must have been something else. The long arm of coincidence, I withdraw.

But it does show he connected with the ball which squirts out doesn't roll out (and then, or simultaneously, I think he contacted the lad's right side, I can't see how he could not do that).
Both parties in the wrong : the ballboy had absolutely no right to be lying on top of the ball (he appears to have fallen on to it deliberately in order to waste time, when his job is to return it quickly into play), and Hazard kicking at the ball merited a red card, as it was technically dangerous.

Hazard can feel slightly peeved though as the incident was caused solely by the ballboy's gamesmanship or cheating.
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Old 24-01-2013, 03:19
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Both parties in the wrong : the ballboy had absolutely no right to be lying on top of the ball (he appears to have fallen on to it deliberately in order to waste time, when his job is to return it quickly into play), and Hazard kicking at the ball merited a red card, as it was technically dangerous.

Hazard can feel slightly peeved though as the incident was caused solely by the ballboy's gamesmanship or cheating.
The same thing would have happened at any ground in the country.
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Old 24-01-2013, 03:26
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What punishment do you think Hazard's looking at? 8 game ban? 8 month ban? Or just a standard 3 game ban for violent conduct?
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Old 24-01-2013, 03:29
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What punishment do you think Hazard's looking at? 8 game ban? 8 month ban? Or just a standard 3 game ban for violent conduct?
Most likely 3 game ban unless the FA are in a bad mood. The fact that they both apologised afterwards makes it more likely that they won't add stuff on.
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Old 24-01-2013, 04:42
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Most likely 3 game ban unless the FA are in a bad mood. The fact that they both apologised afterwards makes it more likely that they won't add stuff on.
Thats what I hope too, as he doesnt deserve a lengthy ban in my opinion, and am glad that both sides consider the matter closed.

Granted the ball boy was a tad too obvious in stopping Hazard from getting the ball (for a Swansea goal kick btw) but Hazard was stupid in his reaction to it.

Ball boys have always held up the opposition, and will continue to do so, but dont deserve to be kicked for it.....
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Old 24-01-2013, 06:04
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People would be arrested for assault. Footballers seem to get away with this
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Old 24-01-2013, 06:22
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Alright, who complained?
fergie
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Old 24-01-2013, 06:25
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Ballboy definitely made a meal of it, red card was very harsh imo

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Probably right there the kid actually fell on top of the ball before Hazzaard kicked him so while you can understand Hazard's frustration he should not of done what he did. As for the red card harsh or not he would of been sent off if he had done that on the field .
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Old 24-01-2013, 06:38
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Hazard can feel slightly peeved though as the incident was caused solely by the ballboy's gamesmanship or cheating.
I'd agree but then can a group of professionals complain about time wasting etc when they do it (I include my own side!) all the time?
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Old 24-01-2013, 06:49
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People would be arrested for assault. Footballers seem to get away with this
You would be seriously hard pushed to get arrested for that.
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Old 24-01-2013, 07:03
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if hazard had not ran to the ball boy the lad would of rolled it back wasting about 5 seconds

No one is in the right in this situation except possibly the ref

The ball boy is supposed to return the ball pronto. Taking your time is one thing, but physically lying on the ball is taking it too far. That said, it probably wouldn't have happened if Hazard hadn't pre-empted things by rushing over to wrestle the ball from the ball boy. In hindsight, the correct way to deal with it would be for the away team to ask the ref if he's adding on time wasting by ball boys. I think refs should do that as a matter of course if it happens. I was irritated to see Leeds ball boys doing similar time wasting tricks in a recent game against Boro.

From what I've seen, it looks like Hazard kicks him in the ribs, though judging by the ball boy, he has quite a bit of blubber to protect his ribs! Hazard has to go. He's assaulted the ball boy. He starts wrestling with him as the lad is picking the ball up. He appears to kick him.

Ball boys shouldn't be getting encouraged to cheat so blatantly. No children should. They probably see the players doing it so they copy. I don't watch kids' football, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cheating we see in professional football isn't replicated by children up and down the country, sometimes at the encouragement of their coaches.
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Old 24-01-2013, 07:04
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[Fergie] "That ball boy could have been killed out there!!!!!" [/Fergie]
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Old 24-01-2013, 07:23
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Did anyone see what went around Twitter last night? The lad had tweeted about 2 hours before kickoff that he was going to be time wasting... I think a lot of people lost sympathy for him. Laudrup gave the best interview just stating that Hazard will watch it and regret it.

I think he'll get more than 3 games for a ban as the FA will want to make a point...
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Old 24-01-2013, 07:42
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Probably already been posted the "Ballboy" is 17 yrs old & the son of millionaire part Swansea owners.
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Old 24-01-2013, 07:51
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Did anyone see what went around Twitter last night? The lad had tweeted about 2 hours before kickoff that he was going to be time wasting... I think a lot of people lost sympathy for him. Laudrup gave the best interview just stating that Hazard will watch it and regret it.

I think he'll get more than 3 games for a ban as the FA will want to make a point...
I agree the ballboy is beginning to look a bit of a prat.

I can't defend Hazard what he did was wrong but Swansea have obviously given the ballboys instructions to delay getting the ball back into play if they are in a winning position.

Swansea aren't entirely blameless but i've seen similar at other clubs.

Chelsea's Tweet of "Has Football gone mad..." has done nothing for their cause.

The beautiful game turns ugly once again.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:02
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For me this photo is interesting:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...12_634x510.jpg

You can see the ball boy is actually on top of the ball and his ribs and chest are lifted off the ground enough to have avoided the players foot. I stand by what I said last night.. if anything hit the ball boys ribs, it was the players shin at best, not his foot. Not saying that completely clears him of any blame.. but I don't buy this 'kicked him in the ribs' accusation.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:03
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Did anyone see what went around Twitter last night? The lad had tweeted about 2 hours before kickoff that he was going to be time wasting... I think a lot of people lost sympathy for him. Laudrup gave the best interview just stating that Hazard will watch it and regret it.

I think he'll get more than 3 games for a ban as the FA will want to make a point...
Probably yes, harsh as I would say it is.

Both managers have actually handled this really well.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:04
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Daybreak have sent their reporter to the ball boys house.

"the ballboy appeared to be writhing in agony"

FFS.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:05
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Did anyone see what went around Twitter last night? The lad had tweeted about 2 hours before kickoff that he was going to be time wasting... I think a lot of people lost sympathy for him. Laudrup gave the best interview just stating that Hazard will watch it and regret it.

I think he'll get more than 3 games for a ban as the FA will want to make a point...
Yes, that's way back at the beginning of this thread. I suspect he thought it would be highly hilarious if he played silly buggers with the ball and we'd all laugh about it. When it blew up in his face, I think he must have realised he needed to apologise and apologise quickly.

I think The Net has the right idea - this should become an issue for the referee to deal with. If something like this happens again, the ref should blow the whistle and stop the game until the ballboy returns the ball. And i'd even go so far as to say he should then red card the ballboy and have stewards remove him.

Restart the game from that point so no time is lost.

I suspect the majority of ballboys wouldn't act in this manner so it's not like it would become a major problem with games being stopped every 2 minutes to get the ball back.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:10
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For me this photo is interesting:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...12_634x510.jpg

You can see the ball boy is actually on top of the ball and his ribs and chest are lifted off the ground enough to have avoided the players foot. I stand by what I said last night.. if anything hit the ball boys ribs, it was the players shin at best, not his foot. Not saying that completely clears him of any blame.. but I don't buy this 'kicked him in the ribs' accusation.
It's irrelevant what a piece of blurred footage appears to show the fact is Hazard clearly kicks out at the ball in frustration with disregard for the boy. He's apologised for it. He knows it was wrong. The boy has apologised for blatant timewasting and was invited into the Chelsea dressing room in fact. Think they'd all like to move on now.

The only good of the whole sorry episode is that the FA should direct clubs in future to cut out such blatant cheating. Leeds you can take note.
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Old 24-01-2013, 08:12
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Is the ballboy within the referees jurisdiction?
Perhaps another option would be to introduce visiting ball boys...let the fun commence...
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