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something i never understood... "yes!!!!" / "i knew it!"
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onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
when some people are evicted and they jump up screaming, "yes!!!!!" and are all excited or they keep saying, "i knew it!" over and over again.

what's this all about? i've seen it so many times and never understand it.

it happened again with frankie.
muggins14
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“when some people are evicted and they jump up screaming, "yes!!!!!" and are all excited or they keep saying, "i knew it!" over and over again.

what's this all about? i've seen it so many times and never understand it.

it happened again with frankie.”

Being pleased to go perhaps - or at least appearing to be pleased to go.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Being pleased to go perhaps - or at least appearing to be pleased to go.”

but they seem to at least act like they want to stay inside and win... and they don't want to be nominated and all of that, it seems like such a contradiction and such contrast.

confuses me to no end.

so, is it all an act of them wanting to be in there?
muggins14
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“but they seem to at least act like they want to stay inside and win... and they don't want to be nominated and all of that, it seems like such a contradiction and such contrast.

confuses me to no end.

so, is it all an act of them wanting to be in there?”

I think Frankie really did want to leave; he seemed fairly low towards the end there, and very relieved to be out, so 'Yes!!!' would be the right reaction.

For others I think they do it to save face. Some don't want to go but want to make it appear that they did want it all along, or at least that's what I think. It's like saying 'I'll be the next one evicted' even whilst hoping you won't be, at least then you can say 'see, I told you' and pretend you knew it was going to happen and are fine with it.

The same as appearing to modestly not want to win but really wanting to.
Enidan
25-01-2013
Tbh Frankie looked like he wanted to go from day 2, I think he really did. I didn't hear him say 'I knew it.' though lots do.
Londonmassive
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“but they seem to at least act like they want to stay inside and win... and they don't want to be nominated and all of that, it seems like such a contradiction and such contrast.

confuses me to no end.

so, is it all an act of them wanting to be in there?”



I KNEW IT.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“Tbh Frankie looked like he wanted to go from day 2, I think he really did. I didn't hear him say 'I knew it.' though lots do.”

he didn't say "i knew it" but he said, yes!!! and jumped up with excitement.

i was just including the "i knew it" as in addition to what i don't understand not specifically about frankie, when people keep repeating, "i knew it!!!" with excitement, what did they know? they would be evicted? it makes no sense.
whatever54
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I think Frankie really did want to leave; he seemed fairly low towards the end there, and very relieved to be out, so 'Yes!!!' would be the right reaction.

For others I think they do it to save face. Some don't want to go but want to make it appear that they did want it all along, or at least that's what I think. It's like saying 'I'll be the next one evicted' even whilst hoping you won't be, at least then you can say 'see, I told you' and pretend you knew it was going to happen and are fine with it.

The same as appearing to modestly not want to win but really wanting to.”

you beat me to it but I think Frankie was delighted to be out and finding it hard in there. Others like Tricia just saving face IMO and really seething inside -how have Speidi stayed over me- suck it up lady you reap what you sow
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“you beat me to it but I think Frankie was delighted to be out and finding it hard in there. Others like Tricia just saving face IMO and really seething inside -how have Speidi stayed over me- suck it up lady you reap what you sow”

but then in his interview he said he's always wanted to be in the house,
he's always wanted to be in the house and he's now in the house and when he's evicted he screams, "yes!!!!" and is excited as if he's just won the lottery.
that's not a logical/sensible reaction.

it's all so contradicting.

if someone is so happy to be evicted what's the point, walk out the door and get out then why waste everyone's time with an eviction.
i like to see people want to be in there. how annoying.
achro
25-01-2013
Obviously a defense mechanism. Like nervous laughter in a stressful situation.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by achro:
“Obviously a defense mechanism. Like nervous laughter in a stressful situation.”

possibly, but doesn't appear so obvious.
if so that's an odd "defense mechanism".

so, that would mean they're actually not happy and excited but get up and scream the complete opposite!

how very strange.

why do they even need a defense mechanism, what's wrong with just acting normal and being like, "it is what it is... good luck everyone" "so be it", "i didn't want to go but what can you do"... why the chaos.
Harry Bushmayer
25-01-2013
Obviously a defence mechanism.
whatever54
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“but then in his interview he said he's always wanted to be in the house,
he's always wanted to be in the house and he's now in the house and when he's evicted he screams, "yes!!!!" and is excited as if he's just won the lottery.
that's not a logical/sensible reaction.

it's all so contradicting.

if someone is so happy to be evicted what's the point, walk out the door and get out then why waste everyone's time with an eviction.
i like to see people want to be in there. how annoying.”

It is confusing I thought we had another Martin Kemp type character with Frankie, a real hardcore BB fan. On reflection I think Frankie thought it would be a laugh but isn't really a huge fan and didn't anticipate how tough it would be. My guess is his agents talked him into it, great thing to do after the drugs scandal, give some of his fee to charity to redeem himself and all that. Being a sportsman I bet he thought 'yeah easy money I can do this' but when it came to being in the situation I think it was all too much for him and he struggled. It is annoying but quite clever on his part as he has taken advantage of CBB by getting a wage during his ban.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
i'm assuming those saying it's a defense mechanism is referring to this? (further down, denial) since noone really explained any further.

i don't know, it doesn't seem obvious to me... but then again that's probably why i don't understand it. haha.

it doesn't seem to add up to resembling their actions, unless it's not denial. what are they in denial about? why would they be in denial over being evicted? they're up for eviction and have a chance to go.. i'm a very logical thinker and it doesn't seem logical which is probably why it seems so strange to me and makes no sense.

maybe i'm in denial over them being in denial.

Primitive Defense Mechanisms

1. Denial

Denial is the refusal to accept reality or fact, acting as if a painful event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of early childhood development. Many people use denial in their everyday lives to avoid dealing with painful feelings or areas of their life they don’t wish to admit. For instance, a person who is a functioning alcoholic will often simply deny they have a drinking problem, pointing to how well they function in their job and relationships.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“It is confusing I thought we had another Martin Kemp type character with Frankie, a real hardcore BB fan. On reflection I think Frankie thought it would be a laugh but isn't really a huge fan and didn't anticipate how tough it would be. My guess is his agents talked him into it, great thing to do after the drugs scandal, give some of his fee to charity to redeem himself and all that. Being a sportsman I bet he thought 'yeah easy money I can do this' but when it came to being in the situation I think it was all too much for him and he struggled. It is annoying but quite clever on his part as he has taken advantage of CBB by getting a wage during his ban.”

that's another thing i don't understand, when they say it's tough and boring, have they ever heard of making your own fun and entertainment? alot of times things are what you make of it... but that's another thread for another time.
whatever54
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“i'm assuming those saying it's a defense mechanism is referring to this? (further down, denial) since noone really explained any further.

i don't know, it doesn't seem obvious to me... but then again that's probably why i don't understand it. haha.

it doesn't seem to add up to resembling their actions, unless it's not denial. what are they in denial about? why would they be in denial over being evicted? they're up for eviction and have a chance to go.. i'm a very logical thinker and it doesn't seem logical which is probably why it seems so strange to me and makes no sense.

maybe i'm in denial over them being in denial.

Primitive Defense Mechanisms

1. Denial

Denial is the refusal to accept reality or fact, acting as if a painful event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of early childhood development. Many people use denial in their everyday lives to avoid dealing with painful feelings or areas of their life they don’t wish to admit. For instance, a person who is a functioning alcoholic will often simply deny they have a drinking problem, pointing to how well they function in their job and relationships.”

hmmmmmm it is hard to explain but think it comes down to 'self preservation' as simple as 'they didn't want me in the house so I'll act like I didn't want to be in the house'. I think Frankie really had got tired of the house and was pleased to be out, others I think say 'yeeeesss' and don't mean it at all but are embarrassed to be out.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“hmmmmmm it is hard to explain but think it comes down to 'self preservation' as simple as 'they didn't want me in the house so I'll act like I didn't want to be in the house'. I think Frankie really had got tired of the house and was pleased to be out, others I think say 'yeeeesss' and don't mean it at all but are embarrassed to be out.”

i guess that makes some sense, like trying to be cool if you weren't invited to a party and saying, "i didn't want to go to the party anyway" but you really did?... i can get that somewhat. or when a guy is turned down from a girl and he is like "she's a lesbian" or "i didn't even want her" or something along those lines.

it would have to be a form of that and not exact because jumping up and yelling with excitement is far from "cool".
TourEiffel
25-01-2013
I'd say it's more of a 'premonition' reaction?

The majority of house-mates upon being nominated naturally and instantly get the feeling that it will be them that get voted off, so when one of them actually leaves they say 'I knew it' because it's what they genuinely believed in the first place?
whatever54
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“that's another thing i don't understand, when they say it's tough and boring, have they ever heard of making your own fun and entertainment? alot of times things are what you make of it... but that's another thread for another time. ”

I know charades, with the snow they could have done hangman and 0's and x's and much more, boring lot. If any of them come out tomorrow saying 'yes!!!' I think they'll be phoney, 'amazing I made it to the final hour but didn't win, great'
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by TourEiffel:
“I'd say it's more of a 'premonition' reaction?

The majority of house-mates upon being nominated naturally and instantly get the feeling that it will be them that get voted off, so when one of them actually leaves they say 'I knew it' because it's what they genuinely believed in the first place?”

but what's there to know? someone was going to be evicted and it's usually between a few people... yeah everyone knows one of you will be evicted, they usually continue to say it over and over, "i knew it!!!" "i knew it!!!... what. yeah you were up, you had a chance to go. everything was set into motion.

it could be them, it could be someone else. there's nothing to know.

if it was a secret eviction and there was no indication of what was to come and someone predicted it then i would understand.

but in this case it's like someone flipping a coin where it can land on either heads or tails and when it lands on either one, the person is like "i knew it!!!"
the conditions were already set into motion, someone was flipping the coin, it could only land on one of them.
molliepops
25-01-2013
Many of them think they are going each time so I knew it just means they were this time right. And we value good losers in this country more almost than people who want to win at all costs so being happy to go is partly that - showing us how they are good losers IMO.
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Many of them think they are going each time so I knew it just means they were this time right. And we value good losers in this country more almost than people who want to win at all costs so being happy to go is partly that - showing us how they are good losers IMO.”

oh really? that's interesting.
so.. by that logic it's almost a positive to lose in a sense? or in a sense showing they're humble or good sportsmanship something to that effect. innnnnntriguing.
that's an angle i hadn't thought of.
TourEiffel
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Many of them think they are going each time so I knew it just means they were this time right. And we value good losers in this country more almost than people who want to win at all costs so being happy to go is partly that - showing us how they are good losers IMO.”

You make a good point actually.

I think that it also shows the persons (rightly so, IMHO) lack of self esteem, the majority of people are not confident that they are so popular that they WILL actually win it?

Unless you're Spencer of course
onfencewithrach
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by TourEiffel:
“You make a good point actually.

I think that it also shows the persons (rightly so, IMHO) lack of self esteem, the majority of people are not confident that they are so popular that they WILL win it?”

yeah, i think molliepops might be on to something with this theory. it makes alot of sense when i think about it in context.
by being happy and excited about it within that context it reflects humility and being a good loser and staying positive,. an interesting perspective for sure.
whatever54
25-01-2013
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“i guess that makes some sense, like trying to be cool if you weren't invited to a party and saying, "i didn't want to go to the party anyway" but you really did?... i can get that somewhat. or when a guy is turned down from a girl and he is like "she's a lesbian" or "i didn't even want her" or something along those lines.

it would have to be a form of that and not exact because jumping up and yelling with excitement is far from "cool".”

don't quote me but that's how I see it and perfect ananlogy IMO. The odd one (like Frankie) means what they say but the majority say 'yes!!!' and you can tell inside they are saying 'what me going and not them WTF' Did Tricia act pleased? I can't remember but think she is far from happy
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