It's obvious they're just playing their villain role as they have on every reality show they do.. they're acting. I'm astounded seemingly intelligent people on this forum haven't realised it.
A Speidi win would push us another step towards a TOWIE type show.
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I think the same. It must be so much easier for Endemol to just bring in scripted drama-creators than to tackle the very difficult job of putting together a proper mix of housemates and well thought out activities for them.
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“I think Rylan embodies the "TOWIE" esque drivel, drip fed to in our culture!!”
“I think Rylan embodies the "TOWIE" esque drivel, drip fed to in our culture!!”
I don't think inmyarms was talking about the cultural sophistication of the housemates. Rylan seems bright enough, though not always articulate. It is more about the scripted nature of BB. It would be the same point if they had brought in Nigel Havers and told him what he had to do in terms of manufacturing drama.
But they don't want Speidi to win 
A predictable Rylan aka Pete/Brian obviously favourite winning shows a lot more how easily manipulated the public can be.
A predictable Rylan aka Pete/Brian obviously favourite winning shows a lot more how easily manipulated the public can be.
It would seem Speidi have had a definate plan on how they would act and interact in the house, but Rylan has been SO enabled in the show from obviously signing to do it, launch night and their obvious favouritism for him to do tasks that the show isnt really BB, its pointless!! a vehicle for a pointless character to become another pointless z list to fill mags!!
Just because they 'cast' someone into a particular role - in this case Speidi to be baddies, doesn't mean they necessarily want them to win, it is not the same thing.
They have been 'casting' housemates for ages. Carefully planned romances (Jay and Loiuse, Chiggy etc) - BB are just desperate for a story line to fill all those hours of scheduled 'highlights'. It is less important who wins.
They have been 'casting' housemates for ages. Carefully planned romances (Jay and Loiuse, Chiggy etc) - BB are just desperate for a story line to fill all those hours of scheduled 'highlights'. It is less important who wins.
Originally Posted by schmoozer:
“Just because they 'cast' someone into a particular role - in this case Speidi to be baddies, doesn't mean they necessarily want them to win, it is not the same thing.”
“Just because they 'cast' someone into a particular role - in this case Speidi to be baddies, doesn't mean they necessarily want them to win, it is not the same thing.”
No, true. In this detail, I think the thread title is wrong. Speidi being there at ALL is another step towards a TOWIE type scripted show. It doesn't matter whether they come first or not.
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“They have been 'casting' housemates for ages. Carefully planned romances (Jay and Loiuse, Chiggy etc) - BB are just desperate for a story line to fill all those hours of scheduled 'highlights'. It is less important who wins.”
“They have been 'casting' housemates for ages. Carefully planned romances (Jay and Loiuse, Chiggy etc) - BB are just desperate for a story line to fill all those hours of scheduled 'highlights'. It is less important who wins.”
That's a different thing altogether though. They 'cast' housemates in the sense of selecting people who look as if they might fit a certain role. But often they surprise you. BB12 was obviously cast for romances: all young, all pretty, all (except Harry, who was in a very new relationship) single. But they couldn't have predicted WHO would have the romances. Louise was up for grabs: initially both Aaron and Mark were interested in her. It is a very different thing from bringing in professional reality tv villains and telling them to do their reality tv villain act for you.
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I don't think inmyarms was talking about the cultural sophistication of the housemates. Rylan seems bright enough, though not always articulate. It is more about the scripted nature of BB. It would be the same point if they had brought in Nigel Havers and told him what he had to do in terms of manufacturing drama.”
“I don't think inmyarms was talking about the cultural sophistication of the housemates. Rylan seems bright enough, though not always articulate. It is more about the scripted nature of BB. It would be the same point if they had brought in Nigel Havers and told him what he had to do in terms of manufacturing drama.”
From where I was watching Speidi went along with what was thrown at them, Rylan manufactured the drama.....Rylan is the OTT performer and was put in there to do just that.
Originally Posted by differentdrum:
“It must be really hard making up all these anti-Speidi threads and giving them different titles.”
“It must be really hard making up all these anti-Speidi threads and giving them different titles.”
Anything you want to contribute to the perfectly valid point being made, which is anti-BB, not anti-Speidi?
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“From where I was watching Speidi went along with what was thrown at them, Rylan manufactured the drama.....Rylan is the OTT performer and was put in there to do just that.”
“From where I was watching Speidi went along with what was thrown at them, Rylan manufactured the drama.....Rylan is the OTT performer and was put in there to do just that.”
I am just wondering if the other HMs will come out, view the footage and actually SEE they were played by Rylan, maybe not deliberately but i think that is just the kind of person Rylan is, maybe like a security blanket but he reeled them in and they lapped it up!!! I love that these so called adults have been played and sucked into playground drama, also i think Frankie was closest to at least being an individual, if he had stepped up a bit he would have been MY worthy winner!!
Big Brother is certainly dead and buried, it should now be called....M.I.B. Made In Borehamwood or T.O.W.I.B.. The Only Way Is Borehamwood..
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Anything you want to contribute to the perfectly valid point being made, which is anti-BB, not anti-Speidi?”
“Anything you want to contribute to the perfectly valid point being made, which is anti-BB, not anti-Speidi?”
SURELY with the "indulgence" BB have shown Rylan shows beyond doubt that BB is NOT what it was or claims to be, nothing to do with Speidi!!
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“ It is a very different thing from bringing in professional reality tv villains and telling them to do their reality tv villain act for you.”
“ It is a very different thing from bringing in professional reality tv villains and telling them to do their reality tv villain act for you.”
I made the point before, but how is is any different than them bringing in John McCririck, professional arsehole, for CBB3? What was he there for except to be rude and abrasive?
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“That's a different thing altogether though. They 'cast' housemates in the sense of selecting people who look as if they might fit a certain role. But often they surprise you. BB12 was obviously cast for romances: all young, all pretty, all (except Harry, who was in a very new relationship) single. But they couldn't have predicted WHO would have the romances. Louise was up for grabs: initially both Aaron and Mark were interested in her. It is a very different thing from bringing in professional reality tv villains and telling them to do their reality tv villain act for you.”
“That's a different thing altogether though. They 'cast' housemates in the sense of selecting people who look as if they might fit a certain role. But often they surprise you. BB12 was obviously cast for romances: all young, all pretty, all (except Harry, who was in a very new relationship) single. But they couldn't have predicted WHO would have the romances. Louise was up for grabs: initially both Aaron and Mark were interested in her. It is a very different thing from bringing in professional reality tv villains and telling them to do their reality tv villain act for you.”
In this respect I would hazard a guess that both Rylan and Speidi have obliged BB by providing what was expected. Others haven't.
Re Louise and Jay - I seem to recall a promotional 'couple' shot, clearly taken BEFORE they went into the house - but hey, maybe they take shots of every possible combination, just in case..
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“SURELY with the "indulgence" BB have shown Rylan shows beyond doubt that BB is NOT what it was or claims to be, nothing to do with Speidi!!”
“SURELY with the "indulgence" BB have shown Rylan shows beyond doubt that BB is NOT what it was or claims to be, nothing to do with Speidi!!
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But what does it claim to be - whre is it written ?
Not sure whoever wins will make a difference to regular BB - it's not like they suddenly started casting middle aged alcoholics after Denise won.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.
Originally Posted by qwertyell:
“What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
“What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
I think that's sad but true - nothing to do with the cast, but the style of making the show.
After CBB8 and BB12's backlash, we got a massively improved few series, but now they've had a successful highly 'staged' series, I am expecting plenty of invisible housemates in BB14.
Originally Posted by qwertyell:
“Not sure whoever wins will make a difference to regular BB - it's not like they suddenly started casting middle aged alcoholics after Denise won.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
“Not sure whoever wins will make a difference to regular BB - it's not like they suddenly started casting middle aged alcoholics after Denise won.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
My problem IS the fact that they so obviously do not follow ANY of the basic fabric of BB, so bit it!! BUT taking money from the public, in a competition with seemingly NO concrete "rules" set out beforehand really takes the show to another level.
And if someone else wins Big Brother will somehow miraculously do a u-turn from its current path
Their production choices will have been vindicated by their viewer share so whether you or I like it or not, Big Brother will not be going back to being Big Brother anytime soon.
Their production choices will have been vindicated by their viewer share so whether you or I like it or not, Big Brother will not be going back to being Big Brother anytime soon.
I am sure that the production team will be patting themselves on the back tonight and celebrating their perceived success whoever wins.
By the casting and edit they have manufactured a Rylan v Speidi final with both sides whipped into a frenzy of voting to ensure the other doesn't win.
Unfortunately, for those of us who loved the old BB, the show is over.
It will move closer to TOWIE whoever wins.
By the casting and edit they have manufactured a Rylan v Speidi final with both sides whipped into a frenzy of voting to ensure the other doesn't win.
Unfortunately, for those of us who loved the old BB, the show is over.
It will move closer to TOWIE whoever wins.
Originally Posted by starry:
“I thought a Rylan win was more towards a TOWIE show as I assume he is the 'hero' in the pantomime.”
“I thought a Rylan win was more towards a TOWIE show as I assume he is the 'hero' in the pantomime.”
Since a Rylan win is what the producers have been working towards for the past 3 weeks then I'd have to agree.
Drop me ahhht, this thread don't make any sense.
Originally Posted by qwertyell:
“Not sure whoever wins will make a difference to regular BB - it's not like they suddenly started casting middle aged alcoholics after Denise won.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
“Not sure whoever wins will make a difference to regular BB - it's not like they suddenly started casting middle aged alcoholics after Denise won.
What will probably impact the main show is that this series (I think, I've not followed it in great detail) has been a ratings success, so endless producer meddling, contrivances and the complete abandonment of anything resembling rules or the consistent enforcing of them will probably become the norm as, in their producery minds, the ratings are a validation of their interference and total disregard for the audience.”
My view exactly.
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