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Old 26-01-2013, 13:18
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hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?
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Old 26-01-2013, 13:24
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http://www.freeview.co.uk/HD/Products or if you are a dish owner http://www.freesat.co.uk/products/hd-tv-range
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Old 26-01-2013, 13:34
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hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?
Yes! Most large screen panel TVs from higher-end manufacturers have Freeview HD build in nowadays. There are also some budget models available. You should look for 'Freeview HD' or 'DVB-T2' in the specification.

There are also TVs with Freesat HD receivers built in (although these are fewer).
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Old 26-01-2013, 13:34
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Yes it is, you need to look for a TV with the 'Freeview HD' logo on not the the standard 'Freeview' logo.

Freeview HD logo: http://www.freeviewdigitaltvaerial.c...reeview-HD.jpg

Freeview SD logo: http://www.theaerialcompany.com/site...eview-logo.jpg
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Old 26-01-2013, 17:06
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Yes! Most large screen panel TVs from higher-end manufacturers have Freeview HD build in nowadays. There are also some budget models available. You should look for 'Freeview HD' or 'DVB-T2' in the specification.

There are also TVs with Freesat HD receivers built in (although these are fewer).
Im surprised at the huge amount of TV's of all prices that don't support Freeview HD

The majority are still bog standard Freeview DVB-T.
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Old 26-01-2013, 17:22
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Im surprised at the huge amount of TV's of all prices that don't support Freeview HD

The majority are still bog standard Freeview DVB-T.
Just checked Currys website. They have 139 TVs 32" and over of which 107 have Freeview HD.

John Lewis, all screen sizes, 111 out of 142 have it.
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Old 26-01-2013, 17:28
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Just checked Currys website. They have 139 TVs 32" and over of which 107 have Freeview HD.
Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD. Which would be good news for consumers.
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Old 26-01-2013, 20:52
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Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD.
They will still have SD as well of course



Which would be good news for consumers.
Apart from they won't have the option to buy a cheaper set that doesn't include a more expensive tuner they don't need (and often can't use) - such as the many Sky and VM only customers.
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Old 26-01-2013, 21:00
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Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD.

They will still have SD as well of course

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Which would be good news for consumers.


Apart from they won't have the option to buy a cheaper set that doesn't include a more expensive tuner they don't need (and often can't use) - such as the many Sky and VM only customers.
And your losing sight of the fact that as more and more devices start to use DVB-T2 tuners, the price of those tuners will just come down, and down, and down. Because such is the way of technology. And manufacturing too.
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Old 26-01-2013, 21:10
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And your losing sight of the fact that as more and more devices start to use DVB-T2 tuners, the price of those tuners will just come down, and down, and down. Because such is the way of technology. And manufacturing too.
Down and down - but still [b]more[/B ]than SD only, and a complete waste for many people.
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Old 26-01-2013, 21:14
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Down and down - but still [b]more[/B ]than SD only, and a complete waste for many people.
No, not when HD tuners become the majority, and not minority of device tuners. As thats when the minority becomes the more expensive to provide.
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Old 26-01-2013, 22:06
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hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?
You will still need a Freeview + or Freeview + HD box if you want to record TV programes.
I also think in time they will stop selling just Freeview boxes and just sell PVR Freeview + or Freeview + HD boxes.

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Old 26-01-2013, 22:35
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You will still need a Freeview + or Freeview + HD box if you want to record TV programes.
I also think in time they will stop selling just Freeview boxes and just sell PVR Freeview + or Freeview + HD boxes.
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And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.
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Old 27-01-2013, 11:52
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No, not when HD tuners become the majority, and not minority of device tuners. As thats when the minority becomes the more expensive to provide.
You're rather ignoring the fact that it's NOT a tuner that's required, it's demodulation and decoding, done on very large pieces of silicon - with an HD one (which presumably does SD as well by now?) been a number of times larger than an SD one.

It's unlikely manufacturing costs for HD silicon will ever be less than SD only ones (imagine you're casting concrete pavers, and one type takes one bag of concrete, and another takes twenty bags - economies of scales will never make the 20 bags cheaper).

What WILL happen is that Freeview HD will become the norm (as it should), simply because it will be come more and more difficult to sell non-Freeview HD sets, so manufacturers will stop making them.

This just means millions of people will be paying slightly more for sets that will never be used on the extra function - I don't see how that is 'good news for consumers'?.
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Old 27-01-2013, 11:54
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And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.
TV's with PVR's inside has been done (more than once), it flopped every time - and all are now discontinued.

I wouldn't expect to see it again, the current system of providing a USB socket for an external HDD makes far more sense, and allows customers the option.
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Old 27-01-2013, 14:23
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And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.
Both of my HDTVs already have PVR functionality built in. However, you have to add your own storage for it to work, and of course it is only single tuner (so you can't record and watch at the same time, unless the programmes are on the same Mux).

So still have a PVR/Youview box!
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Old 27-01-2013, 16:35
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TV's with PVR's inside has been done (more than once), it flopped every time - and all are now discontinued.

I wouldn't expect to see it again, the current system of providing a USB socket for an external HDD makes far more sense, and allows customers the option.
Current LG **lm6**T models contain DVR functionality to external storage.
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Old 27-01-2013, 17:04
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hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?
Yes ... outside the UK.

I would be very silly for any manufacture in the UK not to use Freeview branding, for a TV with a DVBT2 tuner.
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Old 27-01-2013, 17:26
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You're rather ignoring the fact that it's NOT a tuner that's required, it's demodulation and decoding....
Really? Try getting a DVB-T tuner to make any sense of a DVB-T2 signal.
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Old 27-01-2013, 17:28
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Yes ... outside the UK.

I would be very silly for any manufacture in the UK not to use Freeview branding, for a TV with a DVBT2 tuner.
He wasn't asking about freeview branding.
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Old 27-01-2013, 20:09
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...This just means millions of people will be paying slightly more for sets that will never be used on the extra function - I don't see how that is 'good news for consumers'?.
For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?
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Old 27-01-2013, 22:17
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For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?
Then they should just buy a monitor, I have VM and don't consider the terrestrial tuner in the tv to be an unnecessary extra.
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Old 28-01-2013, 07:34
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For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?
Hardly, if such customers like something to watch that is on their Freeview , why waste money having all the other gubbins switched on at the mains?
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Old 28-01-2013, 09:01
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Really? Try getting a DVB-T tuner to make any sense of a DVB-T2 signal.
How does that help you receive Sky or VM via HDMI or SCART, which is the sole TV system for millions of viewers?.
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Old 28-01-2013, 09:32
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How does that help you receive Sky or VM via HDMI or SCART, which is the sole TV system for millions of viewers?.
Who cares about Sky users?

They already have money to throw away on monthly subscription charges, I doubt a couple of quid for a tuner will phase them.
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