[stevehunt]

hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?

[Sue_Aitch]

http://www.freeview.co.uk/HD/Products or if you are a dish owner http://www.freesat.co.uk/products/hd-tv-range

[Colin_London]

Originally Posted by stevehunt

hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?

Yes! Most large screen panel TVs from higher-end manufacturers have Freeview HD build in nowadays. There are also some budget models available. You should look for 'Freeview HD' or 'DVB-T2' in the specification.

There are also TVs with Freesat HD receivers built in (although these are fewer).

[R410]

Yes it is, you need to look for a TV with the 'Freeview HD' logo on not the the standard 'Freeview' logo.

Freeview HD logo: http://www.freeviewdigitaltvaerial.c...reeview-HD.jpg

Freeview SD logo: http://www.theaerialcompany.com/site...eview-logo.jpg

[Everything Goes]

Originally Posted by Colin_London

Yes! Most large screen panel TVs from higher-end manufacturers have Freeview HD build in nowadays. There are also some budget models available. You should look for 'Freeview HD' or 'DVB-T2' in the specification.

There are also TVs with Freesat HD receivers built in (although these are fewer).

Im surprised at the huge amount of TV's of all prices that don't support Freeview HD

The majority are still bog standard Freeview DVB-T.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Im surprised at the huge amount of TV's of all prices that don't support Freeview HD

The majority are still bog standard Freeview DVB-T.

Just checked Currys website. They have 139 TVs 32" and over of which 107 have Freeview HD.

John Lewis, all screen sizes, 111 out of 142 have it.

[VisionMan1]

Originally Posted by derek500

Just checked Currys website. They have 139 TVs 32" and over of which 107 have Freeview HD.

Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD. Which would be good news for consumers.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD.

They will still have SD as well of course

Which would be good news for consumers.

Apart from they won't have the option to buy a cheaper set that doesn't include a more expensive tuner they don't need (and often can't use) - such as the many Sky and VM only customers.

[VisionMan1]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

Yeah. I read a market analysis report some months ago which stated that eventually TV's would only have Freeview HD built into them, not SD.

They will still have SD as well of course

Quote:
Which would be good news for consumers.

Apart from they won't have the option to buy a cheaper set that doesn't include a more expensive tuner they don't need (and often can't use) - such as the many Sky and VM only customers.

And your losing sight of the fact that as more and more devices start to use DVB-T2 tuners, the price of those tuners will just come down, and down, and down. Because such is the way of technology. And manufacturing too.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

And your losing sight of the fact that as more and more devices start to use DVB-T2 tuners, the price of those tuners will just come down, and down, and down. Because such is the way of technology. And manufacturing too.

Down and down - but still [b]more[/B ]than SD only, and a complete waste for many people.

[VisionMan1]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Down and down - but still [b]more[/B ]than SD only, and a complete waste for many people.

No, not when HD tuners become the majority, and not minority of device tuners. As thats when the minority becomes the more expensive to provide.

[ney]

Originally Posted by stevehunt

hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?

You will still need a Freeview + or Freeview + HD box if you want to record TV programes.
I also think in time they will stop selling just Freeview boxes and just sell PVR Freeview + or Freeview + HD boxes.

Darren

[Restorer]

Originally Posted by ney

You will still need a Freeview + or Freeview + HD box if you want to record TV programes.
I also think in time they will stop selling just Freeview boxes and just sell PVR Freeview + or Freeview + HD boxes.
Darren

And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by VisionMan1

No, not when HD tuners become the majority, and not minority of device tuners. As thats when the minority becomes the more expensive to provide.

You're rather ignoring the fact that it's NOT a tuner that's required, it's demodulation and decoding, done on very large pieces of silicon - with an HD one (which presumably does SD as well by now?) been a number of times larger than an SD one.

It's unlikely manufacturing costs for HD silicon will ever be less than SD only ones (imagine you're casting concrete pavers, and one type takes one bag of concrete, and another takes twenty bags - economies of scales will never make the 20 bags cheaper).

What WILL happen is that Freeview HD will become the norm (as it should), simply because it will be come more and more difficult to sell non-Freeview HD sets, so manufacturers will stop making them.

This just means millions of people will be paying slightly more for sets that will never be used on the extra function - I don't see how that is 'good news for consumers'?.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Restorer

And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.

TV's with PVR's inside has been done (more than once), it flopped every time - and all are now discontinued.

I wouldn't expect to see it again, the current system of providing a USB socket for an external HDD makes far more sense, and allows customers the option.

[Colin_London]

Originally Posted by Restorer

And with the price of flash memory continuing to fall expect to see PVR functionality built into TVs within a few years.

Both of my HDTVs already have PVR functionality built in. However, you have to add your own storage for it to work, and of course it is only single tuner (so you can't record and watch at the same time, unless the programmes are on the same Mux).

So still have a PVR/Youview box!

[ds_reader]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

TV's with PVR's inside has been done (more than once), it flopped every time - and all are now discontinued.

I wouldn't expect to see it again, the current system of providing a USB socket for an external HDD makes far more sense, and allows customers the option.

Current LG **lm6**T models contain DVR functionality to external storage.

[ds_reader]

Originally Posted by stevehunt

hi is it possible to buy a television that has a h d integrated tuner inside with out buying a freeview hd box ?

Yes ... outside the UK.

I would be very silly for any manufacture in the UK not to use Freeview branding, for a TV with a DVBT2 tuner.

[jj20x]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

You're rather ignoring the fact that it's NOT a tuner that's required, it's demodulation and decoding....

Really? Try getting a DVB-T tuner to make any sense of a DVB-T2 signal.

[jj20x]

Originally Posted by ds_reader

Yes ... outside the UK.

I would be very silly for any manufacture in the UK not to use Freeview branding, for a TV with a DVBT2 tuner.

He wasn't asking about freeview branding.

[nvingo]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

...This just means millions of people will be paying slightly more for sets that will never be used on the extra function - I don't see how that is 'good news for consumers'?.

For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?

[jj20x]

Originally Posted by nvingo

For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?

Then they should just buy a monitor, I have VM and don't consider the terrestrial tuner in the tv to be an unnecessary extra.

[Sue_Aitch]

Originally Posted by nvingo

For Sky/VM customers the inclusion of a terrestrial tuner and SD decoder is an unnecessary extra.
Where are the large-screen HDMI/scart monitors that would be more appropriate to many users?

Hardly, if such customers like something to watch that is on their Freeview , why waste money having all the other gubbins switched on at the mains?

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by jj20x

Really? Try getting a DVB-T tuner to make any sense of a DVB-T2 signal.

How does that help you receive Sky or VM via HDMI or SCART, which is the sole TV system for millions of viewers?.

[lstar337]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

How does that help you receive Sky or VM via HDMI or SCART, which is the sole TV system for millions of viewers?.

Who cares about Sky users?

They already have money to throw away on monthly subscription charges, I doubt a couple of quid for a tuner will phase them.