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Old 29-01-2013, 13:34
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With the fire, I hope the pub will change layout so either the back rooms lead out where the optics are - best way of acheiving this is the entire back of the pub is burnt to the ground and is demolished and rebuilt with a new layout - but the actual pub is saved and only charred, so we can keep the layout....but maybe make the bar so you can't do cartwheels behind it.
But knowing Corrie it won't take this opportunity....
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Old 29-01-2013, 14:57
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oh I agree
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Old 29-01-2013, 15:38
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I agree.

It's a perfect opportunity to do so, but given how wasted the tram crash was ... I don't hold much hope.

I'd actually like to see the pub extended behind the optics to provide a smaller function room/dining area along with the toilets. It would add another dimension to the pub and provide some more private space for private conversations and goings on. One of the big interplays in the early days of the Rovers having the 'select' was between characters who hadn't been invited to parties that were taking place in there. Now people have parties in the Rovers and everyone's invited simply because the pub is open to everyone.

I find the back room a bit of a tough one. It's an iconic a location as the rest of the pub for me. Annie Walker's true domain ... even more so than the bar itself. I'd hate to see it go completely. I'd actually keep the backroom where it is, but relocate the kitchen somewhere else, perhaps accessed from the new section of the bar.
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Old 29-01-2013, 16:29
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It should be wiped out and they decide to extend the pub. That way they can get rid of the pointless rail bridge that leads no where, and have the pub join up to the chippy.
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Old 31-01-2013, 14:12
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I agree.

It's a perfect opportunity to do so, but given how wasted the tram crash was ... I don't hold much hope.

I'd actually like to see the pub extended behind the optics to provide a smaller function room/dining area along with the toilets. It would add another dimension to the pub and provide some more private space for private conversations and goings on. One of the big interplays in the early days of the Rovers having the 'select' was between characters who hadn't been invited to parties that were taking place in there. Now people have parties in the Rovers and everyone's invited simply because the pub is open to everyone.

I find the back room a bit of a tough one. It's an iconic a location as the rest of the pub for me. Annie Walker's true domain ... even more so than the bar itself. I'd hate to see it go completely. I'd actually keep the backroom where it is, but relocate the kitchen somewhere else, perhaps accessed from the new section of the bar.
When Steve lived there we used to see an upstairs lounge and kitchen area, that had never been seen before or since, was it there in Bet and Alec's day? and where is it now?

The backroom is iconic and I cannot see it going, however they could move the toilets quite easily (and should in my opinion). After the 2012 Queen Vic fire the toilets were moved to accomdate a more realistic kitchen space, we rarely see the toilets now. The same could happen in the Rovers, they could be built out the back with access via the smoking shelter entrance. This would then stop the sillyness of the toilets being in Ken's lounge.

I would also fit a proper working kitchen like the The Woolpack and Queen Vic, change the drab wall paper and jazz up the furniture. I would also not allow Owen and Gary to rebuild it in 3 weeks either!!
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Old 31-01-2013, 14:33
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I'd like them to extend ideally, but you can't block off Rosamund Street since that's where the buses run and it's the prime entrance to the Street, unless of course the buses start running directly through Coronation Street from Viaduct Street.

And a big fat NO to changing the layout of the back room. It's one set that has remained largely unchanged since the beginning. That room has seen everyone from Annie Walker to Liz McDonald sitting around the table, I never want to see it go.
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Old 31-01-2013, 14:36
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Its so funny to think up until the 80s it had a biggish ''function room''

I think part of its charm is the fact its a totally farcial layout that never made any sense.
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Old 31-01-2013, 14:43
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Its so funny to think up until the 80s it had a biggish ''function room''

I think part of its charm is the fact its a totally farcial layout that never made any sense.
Yes the function room was huge, god only knows where it actually fitted. If I remember rightly wasnt it behind the snug? Which meant it would have filled Rosamund Street.
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Old 31-01-2013, 15:02
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I'd like them to extend ideally, but you can't block off Rosamund Street since that's where the buses run and it's the prime entrance to the Street, unless of course the buses start running directly through Coronation Street from Viaduct Street.

And a big fat NO to changing the layout of the back room. It's one set that has remained largely unchanged since the beginning. That room has seen everyone from Annie Walker to Liz McDonald sitting around the table, I never want to see it go.
Agreed. Lay one finger on that back room at your peril, Corrie.
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Old 31-01-2013, 15:28
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When Steve lived there we used to see an upstairs lounge and kitchen area, that had never been seen before or since, was it there in Bet and Alec's day? and where is it now?

The backroom is iconic and I cannot see it going, however they could move the toilets quite easily (and should in my opinion). After the 2012 Queen Vic fire the toilets were moved to accomdate a more realistic kitchen space, we rarely see the toilets now. The same could happen in the Rovers, they could be built out the back with access via the smoking shelter entrance. This would then stop the sillyness of the toilets being in Ken's lounge.

I would also fit a proper working kitchen like the The Woolpack and Queen Vic, change the drab wall paper and jazz up the furniture. I would also not allow Owen and Gary to rebuild it in 3 weeks either!!
The fabled 'upstairs living quarters' at the Rovers were probably one of the most ridiculous set changes in Corrie's history. There was absolutely no reason for it to be constructed. It was really, really big as well - bigger than all of the downstairs of the pub. As you say, it's not been seen or mentioned since. They production team obviously reaslied that it was beyond ridiculous. I'm convinced that the set design team get bored sometimes and just build new sets. Seriously.

I agree about the kitchen too.
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Old 31-01-2013, 15:29
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I'd like them to extend ideally, but you can't block off Rosamund Street since that's where the buses run and it's the prime entrance to the Street, unless of course the buses start running directly through Coronation Street from Viaduct Street.

And a big fat NO to changing the layout of the back room. It's one set that has remained largely unchanged since the beginning. That room has seen everyone from Annie Walker to Liz McDonald sitting around the table, I never want to see it go.
The only believable way for them to extend is to go backwards into the backyard. They could never get away with extending it any other way.
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Old 31-01-2013, 15:47
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I hope they get rid of the dreadful green on the outside, and have more modern doors. The 'cubicle' seating areas should be kept, just new fabric on the seats and paint the wood. I'd make the bar smaller and have real drinks, and put bar stools all the way round. The back room needs to stay, but forget the 'living room' idea. Put a kitchen upstairs and lounge, have more scenes up there, and the downstairs kitchen should be where they make the bar food. Extend the back, and have toilets there, with the living room upstairs above it. One of the main things is the set always looks grubby. I have been in a lot of Manchester pubs that are like the Rovers, but slightly more modern, and even small ones feel big somehow.
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Old 31-01-2013, 15:53
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http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/oldrov1.gif this is how the Rovers used to look from 1902 until the fire of 1986 when the snug and the select were knocked into one large bar area. For modern reference the dart board now is where the stage used to be
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Old 31-01-2013, 16:03
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http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/oldrov1.gif this is how the Rovers used to look from 1902 until the fire of 1986 when the snug and the select were knocked into one large bar area. For modern reference the dart board now is where the stage used to be
LOL, it looks massive!

More importantly, I want to know more about the 'Hot Pics Cabinet' from 1902!

(OK, maybe it says Hot Pies Cabinet)
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Old 31-01-2013, 16:05
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http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/oldrov1.gif this is how the Rovers used to look from 1902 until the fire of 1986 when the snug and the select were knocked into one large bar area. For modern reference the dart board now is where the stage used to be
The Rovers Return set, especially then, was horribly designed. At least 50% of it is impossible to exist...
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Old 31-01-2013, 16:41
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Agreed. Lay one finger on that back room at your peril, Corrie.
LOL! You're so right.
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Old 31-01-2013, 17:29
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If I was the boss at corrie I would knock down the rovers, and have the pub moved to new premises maybe where the medical centre is.
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Old 31-01-2013, 17:59
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The fabled 'upstairs living quarters' at the Rovers were probably one of the most ridiculous set changes in Corrie's history. There was absolutely no reason for it to be constructed. It was really, really big as well - bigger than all of the downstairs of the pub. As you say, it's not been seen or mentioned since. They production team obviously reaslied that it was beyond ridiculous. I'm convinced that the set design team get bored sometimes and just build new sets. Seriously.

I agree about the kitchen too.
Yes i remember when it first appeared (in about 2008 or 2009) just randomly out of nowhere without any previous mentioned of a renovation going on. It was an open plan kitchen and living room and supposedly above the pub but was so big it would have taken up the entire upstairs. Which begged the question where did everyone sleep? Where were all the bedrooms? And why did they need two sitting rooms and two kitchens?

Thankfully it disappeared just as quickly and mysteriously as it appeared.
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Old 31-01-2013, 18:20
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It'll never be the same, round the back.

Stella will be gutted. Like the pub.
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Old 31-01-2013, 21:52
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http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/oldrov1.gif this is how the Rovers used to look from 1902 until the fire of 1986 when the snug and the select were knocked into one large bar area. For modern reference the dart board now is where the stage used to be
It was huge and couldn't possibly fit in the space. I remember the snug and select being knocked into 1, however if you look at both the old and new layout of the Rovers the Select all but vanished, only a small part of it is still "officially" within the 4 walls of the Rovers. If you look at the 2 windows at the front the select stretched far beyond the one furthest from the door and way into Rosamund Street now the pub stops by that window. http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/rovers2.htm
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Old 31-01-2013, 22:10
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It was huge and couldn't possibly fit in the space. I remember the snug and select being knocked into 1, however if you look at both the old and new layout of the Rovers the Select all but vanished, only a small part of it is still "officially" within the 4 walls of the Rovers. If you look at the 2 windows at the front the select stretched far beyond the one furthest from the door and way into Rosamund Street now the pub stops by that window. http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/rovers2.htm
.....and now the living room and kitchen aren't even attached to the pub at the front. Strange.
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Old 31-01-2013, 23:41
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http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/oldrov1.gif this is how the Rovers used to look from 1902 until the fire of 1986 when the snug and the select were knocked into one large bar area. For modern reference the dart board now is where the stage used to be
LOL, it looks massive!

More importantly, I want to know more about the 'Hot Pics Cabinet' from 1902!

(OK, maybe it says Hot Pies Cabinet)
It was huge and couldn't possibly fit in the space. I remember the snug and select being knocked into 1, however if you look at both the old and new layout of the Rovers the Select all but vanished, only a small part of it is still "officially" within the 4 walls of the Rovers. If you look at the 2 windows at the front the select stretched far beyond the one furthest from the door and way into Rosamund Street now the pub stops by that window. http://www.corrie.net/profiles/place...rs/rovers2.htm
.....and now the living room and kitchen aren't even attached to the pub at the front. Strange.
The 'real life' reason for the interior of the Rovers being completely different from the outside is quite easily explained.

When the show first started in 1960 and the set was built inside the studio, the only part of the Rovers exterior that was constructed was the doorway and the first part of the window. This picture here shows the Rovers set at the bottom left, looking up the street towards the viaduct. This scene from 1961 again shows that the exterior set for the Rovers does not extend very far. The rest of that end of the street is 'blacked out'. Viewers are left to imagine what the rest of Coronation Street - and the Rovers - looks like.

There were pointers, though. The real pub that the Rovers was based on was, indeed, big enough to 'hold' everything that was meant to be inside. These closing credits from one of the first episodes in 1960 were filmed on location on Archie Street and its environs. Viewers were meant to believe that the Rovers was on a similar scale.

An important point to remember is that the Rovers exterior was very rarely seen. Since the set could only be constructed in one half at a time in the studio space, the majority of exterior street scenes that were filmed between 1960 and 1967 only featured the corner shop/viaduct end of the street. The collapse of No.7. in 1965 brought a convenient 'split' in the street so the design team could 'black out' everything beyond it quite easily. When the Rovers did pop up it was still just the doorway and window, nothing more and often filmed in isolation from the rest of the street.This scene from 1964 shows the door and window.

Bizzarely, if a full exterior shot of the pub was required, the production team would go on location to film at a real pub. Another scene from 1964 here showing a very different Rovers exterior ...

The move to the first outdoor street set in 1968 meant two things for the Rovers: the exterior of the pub became featured more regularly and it started to become more fixed. Rather than extending the pub to make it a realistic size and layout, the production simply added the second 'half' of the bay window. In fact, the first exterior set saw the facades that had been used in the studio simply erected behind scaffolding. A prime example of settling for the easy option rather than making a real attempt to improve the set.

Then, with an outdoor set to play with, the Rovers exterior became more and more visible and more and more iconic. It was the location for cast photos and generally appeared more than any other parts of the exterior set. As the Rovers became so 'iconic', the opportunities for the production team to alter it reduced. That's why we've been stuck with the same

The 1982 set kept the same design and anomalies that had plagued the Rovers since 1968 ... and we've had the same problems ever since.
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Old 01-02-2013, 00:02
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Yes the function room was huge, god only knows where it actually fitted. If I remember rightly wasnt it behind the snug? Which meant it would have filled Rosamund Street.
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Old 01-02-2013, 00:39
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The 'real life' reason for the interior of the Rovers being completely different from the outside is quite easily explained.

When the show first started in 1960 and the set was built inside the studio, the only part of the Rovers exterior that was constructed was the doorway and the first part of the window. This picture here shows the Rovers set at the bottom left, looking up the street towards the viaduct. This scene from 1961 again shows that the exterior set for the Rovers does not extend very far. The rest of that end of the street is 'blacked out'. Viewers are left to imagine what the rest of Coronation Street - and the Rovers - looks like.

There were pointers, though. The real pub that the Rovers was based on was, indeed, big enough to 'hold' everything that was meant to be inside. These closing credits from one of the first episodes in 1960 were filmed on location on Archie Street and its environs. Viewers were meant to believe that the Rovers was on a similar scale.

An important point to remember is that the Rovers exterior was very rarely seen. Since the set could only be constructed in one half at a time in the studio space, the majority of exterior street scenes that were filmed between 1960 and 1967 only featured the corner shop/viaduct end of the street. The collapse of No.7. in 1965 brought a convenient 'split' in the street so the design team could 'black out' everything beyond it quite easily. When the Rovers did pop up it was still just the doorway and window, nothing more and often filmed in isolation from the rest of the street.This scene from 1964 shows the door and window.

Bizzarely, if a full exterior shot of the pub was required, the production team would go on location to film at a real pub. Another scene from 1964 here showing a very different Rovers exterior ...

The move to the first outdoor street set in 1968 meant two things for the Rovers: the exterior of the pub became featured more regularly and it started to become more fixed. Rather than extending the pub to make it a realistic size and layout, the production simply added the second 'half' of the bay window. In fact, the first exterior set saw the facades that had been used in the studio simply erected behind scaffolding. A prime example of settling for the easy option rather than making a real attempt to improve the set.

Then, with an outdoor set to play with, the Rovers exterior became more and more visible and more and more iconic. It was the location for cast photos and generally appeared more than any other parts of the exterior set. As the Rovers became so 'iconic', the opportunities for the production team to alter it reduced. That's why we've been stuck with the same

The 1982 set kept the same design and anomalies that had plagued the Rovers since 1968 ... and we've had the same problems ever since.
More or less what I was going to say - the layout as imagined in 1960 fits - the back room/kitchen are adjacent to the select/snug.
If only they HAD built the set like that strange outing episode from 1964 then it would be fine. But the fire in 86 merely sorted out the space anomaly from the bar - didn't they think "hang on, the back rooms are now in Rosamund St"???
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Old 01-02-2013, 00:55
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Having been inside the Rovers, this is the most puzzling thing by far, for reference, the entrance to the Rovers is the door on the right, so on the left side, there should be the backyard.
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