[Pingu222]

I was scanning through the artist list on the RCA UK website earlier today and noticed that both Jahmene (they seem to have dropped his surname going forward) and Union J have been added to the roster. They join other X Factor Alumni - Aiden Grimshaw, Alexandra Burke, JLS and Rebecca Ferguson.

However, what I found more interesting was that Marcus Collins name no longer appears. Is this the confirmation that he has indeed been dropped despite various denials from him last year?

Also noticed BGT Alumni Ryan O'Shaughnessy is missing too after only releasing 1 EP.

Both come as no surprise to me after their limited success but haven't seen anything official, confirming it either way, anywhere until this seemingly pointing that way. Thoughts?

[blueface2222]

It's a lot tougher these days....

Alex and Leona won't be dropped yet due to past success but if they flop again they might be. Alex is more vulnerable than Leona.

JLS aren't doing as well but tour sales are still ok for them so there is the negating factor. They'll disband with a Greatest hits rather than get dropped, theyve had good success.

Marcus, Ryan, Rachel Crow, Chris Rene, Aiden will 100% be dropped. There sales are no where near good enough.

Obviously One Direction and Olly are highly safe right now. To an extent so are Rebecca Ferguson and Cher Lloyd.

Little Mix should get a second album, but something tells me they will only last 3-4 years as there sales are only average for their debut year and i cannot see them breaking huge like Girls aloud or One Direction at all.

The lesson is as a X Factor contestant you have a limited shelf life. Even the Leonas, JLS's and Susan Boyle's have had huge sales dips this year. I cannot see Amelia or Mischa B's album being mega huge so they may struggle to keep signed for a second album too.

I think we all know Ella Henderson is going to be the big success story and worldwide star pretty soon making it harder for Leona, Alex etc even further. I think Olly and One Direction can make it like Will Young and Girls Aloud have and have long careers. JLS have 1-2 years before disbanding. Leona and Alex are hard to predict and may never get the sales they once had.. As we've seen Diana, Shayne, Rhydian, Same Difference, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle - Sony have no problem dropping you after you suffer a sales dip!

One direction are the new take that 6-8 years of this type of success maximum worldwide.
Union J could hurt 1D sales in the UK just a little bit, i would predict a 10% decrease for them next year.
The Wanted have suffered a huge sales decrease in the last year and The Saturdays have proved time and time again how hard it is to sell albums. The Sugababes brand has run its course, and i doubt MKS or Janet Devlin will have huge albums. The Girls Aloud comeback has been a success but only to a degree even Cheryl Cole only sold 100k albums last year

Last week the album at number 10 sold 8,000 copies - not a great time in music and very hard.

[Antonio_Villela]

Originally Posted by blueface2222

It's a lot tougher these days....

Alex and Leona won't be dropped yet due to past success but if they flop again they might be. Alex is more vulnerable than Leona.

JLS aren't doing as well but tour sales are still ok for them so there is the negating factor. They'll disband with a Greatest hits rather than get dropped, theyve had good success.

Marcus, Ryan, Rachel Crow, Chris Rene, Aiden will 100% be dropped. There sales are no where near good enough.

Obviously One Direction and Olly are highly safe right now. To an extent so are Rebecca Ferguson and Cher Lloyd.

Little Mix should get a second album, but something tells me they will only last 3-4 years as there sales are only average for their debut year and i cannot see them breaking huge like Girls aloud or One Direction at all.

The lesson is as a X Factor contestant you have a limited shelf life. Even the Leonas, JLS's and Susan Boyle's have had huge sales dips this year. I cannot see Amelia or Mischa B's album being mega huge so they may struggle to keep signed for a second album too.

I think we all know Ella Henderson is going to be the big success story and worldwide star pretty soon making it harder for Leona, Alex etc even further. I think Olly and One Direction can make it like Will Young and Girls Aloud have and have long careers. JLS have 1-2 years before disbanding. Leona and Alex are hard to predict and may never get the sales they once had.. As we've seen Diana, Shayne, Rhydian, Same Difference, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle - Sony have no problem dropping you after you suffer a sales dip!

One direction are the new take that 6-8 years of this type of success maximum worldwide.
Union J could hurt 1D sales in the UK just a little bit, i would predict a 10% decrease for them next year.
The Wanted have suffered a huge sales decrease in the last year and The Saturdays have proved time and time again how hard it is to sell albums. The Sugababes brand has run its course, and i doubt MKS or Janet Devlin will have huge albums. The Girls Aloud comeback has been a success but only to a degree even Cheryl Cole only sold 100k albums last year

Last week the album at number 10 sold 8,000 copies - not a great time in music and very hard.

I don't know if Chris Rene will be dropped but I'm sure Melanie Amaro and Marcus Canty (winner and 3rd runner up) will.. their sales are just.. what?
Chris Rene is successful in New Zealand but despite "Young Homie" doing quite well his album flopped in the US
Rachel Crow is safe 2, her new nickelodeon TV show will air this year, I expect her to get a huge amount of young fans.

Olly, 1D, Rebecca and even Cher are safe! Cher is getting a huge number of fans in the US, Canada, Australia, NZ and some South American countries (like Brazil) even if she flops in the UK (wich I don't think so) and get dropped I'm pretty sure Epic will keep her.

[Dreammaster695]

ella wont be a sucess at all

[casualviewer]

Originally Posted by blueface2222

Little Mix should get a second album, but something tells me they will only last 3-4 years as there sales are only average for their debut year

Their album was the 39th top selling album for 2012 after only 6 weeks. Is that considered average these days?

[C14E]

I don't think it ever looked like there was going to be much commitment beyond that first album.

In the general picture - Leona and Alexandra are really living on "faith" these days. They need to hope that Simon Cowell believes they can regain some lost ground - or that someone really influential at Syco/Sony believes it. JLS definitely seem to be in decline. Theirs has been more of a "straight line" slide - gradual erosion from album to album - which makes me think they will just call it a day soon and perhaps move onto new projects. They've done well enough that doors will be open for them.

The US situation is very different. L.A Reid signed loads from series one and none of them did well at all. Now he has left the show altogether. Simon seems to be taking a different approach to the series two crop - Emblem 3 and Fifth Harmony both look like they're going to be handled more by Syco than the US labels. I think this is an acknowledgement that he's not happy with what happened after series one and I think we'll see all the Epic affiliated acts being dropped in the coming months. Although I can imagine them trying to cover up Melanie Amaro's departure for as long as is possible.

Rachel Crow's future will hang more on her TV prospects. If Syco can have some involvement in such a vehicle then she'll be safe. That's a longtime ambition for them.

I think Little Mix look good for a second album. Rebecca, Cher, 1D, Susan Boyle and Olly can all count on putting out another album too.

[Bjkaave]

Originally Posted by blueface2222

I think we all know Ella Henderson is going to be the big success story and worldwide star pretty soon making it harder for Leona, Alex etc even further. I think Olly and One Direction can make it like Will Young and Girls Aloud have and have long careers. JLS have 1-2 years before disbanding. Leona and Alex are hard to predict and may never get the sales they once had.. As we've seen Diana, Shayne, Rhydian, Same Difference, Joe McElderry, Matt Cardle - Sony have no problem dropping you after you suffer a sales dip!

One direction are the new take that 6-8 years of this type of success maximum worldwide.
Union J could hurt 1D sales in the UK just a little bit, i would predict a 10% decrease for them next year.
The Wanted have suffered a huge sales decrease in the last year and The Saturdays have proved time and time again how hard it is to sell albums. The Sugababes brand has run its course, and i doubt MKS or Janet Devlin will have huge albums. The Girls Aloud comeback has been a success but only to a degree even Cheryl Cole only sold 100k albums last year

Last week the album at number 10 sold 8,000 copies - not a great time in music and very hard.

You were going so well with the first part of your list and the you started the second half with" I think we all know that Ella Henderson will be a worldwide success" and it all went downhill from there.

Look, she may well put out the right song at the right time that catches on and be ones a hit, it's hard to predict who may be capable of that but this whole "we all KNOW she is going to be a HUGE STAR!" Thing is quite irritating.

[iseloid]

Originally Posted by C14E

I don't think it ever looked like there was going to be much commitment beyond that first album.

In the general picture - Leona and Alexandra are really living on "faith" these days. They need to hope that Simon Cowell believes they can regain some lost ground - or that someone really influential at Syco/Sony believes it. JLS definitely seem to be in decline. Theirs has been more of a "straight line" slide - gradual erosion from album to album - which makes me think they will just call it a day soon and perhaps move onto new projects. They've done well enough that doors will be open for them.

The US situation is very different. L.A Reid signed loads from series one and none of them did well at all. Now he has left the show altogether. Simon seems to be taking a different approach to the series two crop - Emblem 3 and Fifth Harmony both look like they're going to be handled more by Syco than the US labels. I think this is an acknowledgement that he's not happy with what happened after series one and I think we'll see all the Epic affiliated acts being dropped in the coming months. Although I can imagine them trying to cover up Melanie Amaro's departure for as long as is possible.

Rachel Crow's future will hang more on her TV prospects. If Syco can have some involvement in such a vehicle then she'll be safe. That's a longtime ambition for them.

I think Little Mix look good for a second album. Rebecca, Cher, 1D, Susan Boyle and Olly can all count on putting out another album too.

Since both female winners are still signed they have faith in them. They've all got to make their own decisions. Every man is a business asset.

[Andybear]

Originally Posted by Bjkaave

You were going so well with the first part of your list and the you started the second half with" I think we all know that Ella Henderson will be a worldwide success" and it all went downhill from there.

Look, she may well put out the right song at the right time that catches on and be ones a hit, it's hard to predict who may be capable of that but this whole "we all KNOW she is going to be a HUGE STAR!" Thing is quite irritating.

I so agree with this. Just because the ΧF judges said Ella's going to be a huge star doesn't make it a fact,

[_elly001]

Don't be so sure Aiden is getting dropped just yet. I don't know either way what will happen to him, but he's definitely been in the studio for the last few weeks with a producer that did some of Placebo's stuff and he seems to be pretty excited about it. There are low-profile acts that are on major labels who don't trouble the top 40 too often but tend to claw their profits back through gigs, and as RCA spent barely any money promoting Misty Eye, they might see Aiden as that kind of artist.

With that said, they did pull his third single release a couple of weeks ago which is a real shame as it's probably the strongest song on the album, so maybe that does suggest he's close to being dropped. I'm just not sure who would be funding studio time for him with an established producer if it's not RCA.

[Susie-R]

Marcus is on Daybreak now, he's got a part in Hairspray, I think he'll be really good in it

[justin19]

Love how only one person has actually replied on topic and even then it doesn't exactly talk about Marcus' record label status haha

Why does every topic become about how "Ella will be a worldwide star" because in my opinion she really doesn't have anything special. We have an Adele and an Emeli Sande already. We don't need someone pretending to be them who isn't half as good as the latter. I'm not saying she can't sing but she was a notorious over-singer at times on the show and the only song I've connected with when she sang it was Believe.

[Zack06]

I think Marcus' contract with RCA ended last year. He isn't on this list any more either.

RCA haven't done that well with JLS, HGIW was a relative flop for them, and the video was cheap. They did even worse with Alex, scrapping her expensive material and forcing her to record cheap songs and gave her cheap videos. Alex told some fans that RCA UK doesn't have a lot of money, so it's much easier to get dropped from this label than other divisions.

Leona is only on RCA US, she got transferred after J closed down, I don't think they've had much involvement with her career. Alexandra is also rumoured to be on RCA US, she's been in the States recording a new album and told fans she signed a new deal last year so who knows....

I just don't think RCA UK can really cope as a label, their main function used to be just handling American artists over in this country, they don't seem to have the funds to properly manage their acts....Diana, Marcus, Alexandra, Ke$ha, Aiden....this label has been responsible for more than a few flops...SME should really review them imo, it's not fair for the artists.

[Stally]

Originally Posted by justin19

Love how only one person has actually replied on topic and even then it doesn't exactly talk about Marcus' record label status haha

Why does every topic become about how "Ella will be a worldwide star" because in my opinion she really doesn't have anything special. We have an Adele and an Emeli Sande already. We don't need someone pretending to be them who isn't half as good as the latter. I'm not saying she can't sing but she was a notorious over-singer at times on the show and the only song I've connected with when she sang it was Believe.

This! Ella's talented, but her voice is so over-rated. I don't think she has that spark like Adele to become a worldwide star.

[Helen90]

I am worried about Union J being with RCA... just look at their other artists - Alexandra, Rebecca and JLS.... not exactly blowing up the charts at the moment. JLS have got the most success out of those, but they haven't really been living up to their first album. I feel like RCA has problems keeping their artists visible for a long time.

[shaunnashines]

Originally Posted by justin19

Love how only one person has actually replied on topic and even then it doesn't exactly talk about Marcus' record label status haha

My thoughts exactly lol

I thought he was recording a second album?

[IsItThatDeep]

Well if he has been dropped it looks like he's already signed to somebody else because he tweeted this a few days ago and he answered people on twitter saying there is new music coming later in the year after Hairspray finishes in September.

Marcus Collins ‏@MarcuscollinsUK
So... Iv got some exciting news!!! The singing Hairdresser returns.... Watch this space 2013

[fireemblemcraze]

Originally Posted by Stally

This! Ella's talented, but her voice is so over-rated. I don't think she has that spark like Adele to become a worldwide star.

Sorry but why are people talking down on Ella AGAIN, this time in a topic which she's not even meant to be a part of...? How do any of us know who will be successful or not? She hasn't even released a single let alone an album. I don't think ANYONE can say she's not going to be successful.

All we do know is that Ella can song write and she turned Believe into a beautiful song (subjective yes but the consensus was that it was quite nice) AND she's got creative control over her album. The combination of which if she does more songs like Believe would be very popular.

So atm the only thing people can say that she's got a chance actually. It's either that or we just don't know. You can't say she's not going to do well because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE POINTING TO THE FACT THAT SHE WILL DO BADLY AND ONLY EVIDENCE THAT SHE WILL DO WELL.

[String9]

Originally Posted by Stally

This! Ella's talented, but her voice is so over-rated. I don't think she has that spark like Adele to become a worldwide star.

I think Ella's career will be similar to that of the girl that won The Voice. Really can't see it happening. Don't understand her target market.

[String9]

Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze

So atm the only thing people can say that she's got a chance actually. It's either that or we just don't know. You can't say she's not going to do well because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE POINTING TO THE FACT THAT SHE WILL DO BADLY AND ONLY EVIDENCE THAT SHE WILL DO WELL.

Where is the evidence?

[Pumpkin Soup]

Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze

Sorry but why are people talking down on Ella AGAIN, this time in a topic which she's not even meant to be a part of...? How do any of us know who will be successful or not? She hasn't even released a single let alone an album. I don't think ANYONE can say she's not going to be successful.

All we do know is that Ella can song write and she turned Believe into a beautiful song (subjective yes but the consensus was that it was quite nice) AND she's got creative control over her album. The combination of which if she does more songs like Believe would be very popular.

So atm the only thing people can say that she's got a chance actually. It's either that or we just don't know. You can't say she's not going to do well because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE POINTING TO THE FACT THAT SHE WILL DO BADLY AND ONLY EVIDENCE THAT SHE WILL DO WELL.

People can say what they want and don't need people barking at them telling them otherwise. A stint on a reality TV show doesn't guarantee chart success.

It's right place, right time, right song, as it is with everyone.

[Stally]

Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze

Sorry but why are people talking down on Ella AGAIN, this time in a topic which she's not even meant to be a part of...? How do any of us know who will be successful or not? She hasn't even released a single let alone an album. I don't think ANYONE can say she's not going to be successful.

All we do know is that Ella can song write and she turned Believe into a beautiful song (subjective yes but the consensus was that it was quite nice) AND she's got creative control over her album. The combination of which if she does more songs like Believe would be very popular.

So atm the only thing people can say that she's got a chance actually. It's either that or we just don't know. You can't say she's not going to do well because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE POINTING TO THE FACT THAT SHE WILL DO BADLY AND ONLY EVIDENCE THAT SHE WILL DO WELL.

Geeze take a chill pill. I wasn't the first to bring up Ella you know. I was just simply stating my opinion and I'm allowed to have an opinion you know. I don't know what evidence your talking about as there aren't anyway. Some people make it after the show and some don't and I don't think Ella will make it after the show. I don't think Ella is as good as Alexandra Burke and Leona Lewis and they were much better singers when they were Ella's age. I do think she's talented but I think you have to a lot more than vocal talent and she's missing that spark, the X factor imo.*

Also, if Ella releases mature music I think she's will struggle to connect with older listeners as she's very young, and I don't think she would get good airplay. Also most teens her age will just think she's boring, and even if she went down the pop route to attract a teen/young fanbase I don't she would be able to pull it off.

[Stally]

Originally Posted by String9

I think Ella's career will be similar to that of the girl that won The Voice. Really can't see it happening. Don't understand her target market.

Lool it took me a good two/three minutes to remember which girl won the voice. She definitely won't appeal to young audiences as they will think she's too boring and the more mature and older audiences will not take her seriously as she's quite young. That's why we don't have any successful teen girls who have similar music style to Ella as most labels would find it very difficult to market them.

[twingle]

Originally Posted by Zack06

I think Marcus' contract with RCA ended last year. He isn't on this list any more either.

RCA haven't done that well with JLS, HGIW was a relative flop for them, and the video was cheap. They did even worse with Alex, scrapping her expensive material and forcing her to record cheap songs and gave her cheap videos. Alex told some fans that RCA UK doesn't have a lot of money, so it's much easier to get dropped from this label than other divisions.

Leona is only on RCA US, she got transferred after J closed down, I don't think they've had much involvement with her career. Alexandra is also rumoured to be on RCA US, she's been in the States recording a new album and told fans she signed a new deal last year so who knows....

I just don't think RCA UK can really cope as a label, their main function used to be just handling American artists over in this country, they don't seem to have the funds to properly manage their acts....Diana, Marcus, Alexandra, Ke$ha, Aiden....this label has been responsible for more than a few flops...SME should really review them imo, it's not fair for the artists.

I am confused I thought Alex changed labels because she didn't think much of them ? So is RCA her 2nd label? Has RCA had any success stories at all?

[_elly001]

Originally Posted by twingle

I am confused I thought Alex changed labels because she didn't think much of them ? So is RCA her 2nd label? Has RCA had any success stories at all?

Rebecca has done well with RCA.