[Pumping Iron]

Originally Posted by Cryolemon

I like Man V Food, it's cool to see some of the insane things (and amounts of of things) he eats / tries to eat.

I love it too! Would give him a run for his money on somethings he does!

[vosne]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

TBH. I don't think it's eluding anybody.

It's just a case of somebody taking the opportunity to voice a subjective opinion.

Take a look through DS and you'll find that the vast majority of discussion occurs on the same basis.

In fact, I find it rather disingenuous when people try to use a "fallacy of scale" to try and refute an argument.
Somebody'll post a thread about, say, a dozen muslims raping kids and somebody else will show up and say "Yeah but that's only a tiny number of people. It's not like ALL muslims are raping kids" as if that, somehow, mitigates the issue under discussion.

Rape and Islam in a discussion about people making pies on the telly? *hats off*

[Cryolemon]

Originally Posted by Pumping Iron

I love it too! Would give him a run for his money on somethings he does!

I would certainly try one or two of the things he's done.

[vosne]

Originally Posted by ladymoanalot

It's those that taste and review wine that make me chuckle.

Bouquets of hollyhock and all that jazz.

Hi!

[Richard1960]

Originally Posted by Cryolemon

It's not all that surprising really.

It is to me why would a country that is obese want to encourage more to be like that by attempting to do what he does and lets face it those restaurants have pictures of people attempting to eat like pigs basically of people doing just that.

[Si_Crewe]

Originally Posted by vosne

Rape and Islam in a discussion about people making pies on the telly? *hats off*

Yeah, TBH, I thought about re-writing it about bicyclists instead but I'd already typed it so, meh.

I wasn't suggesting that's what epicurian was doing btw.
I was just pointing out that pretty-much every opinion posted here is going to be a "minority" opinion in the grand scheme of things.

[Ber]

Originally Posted by Richard1960

It is to me why would a country that is obese want to encourage more to be like that by attempting to do what he does and lets face it those restaurants have pictures of people attempting to eat like pigs basically of people doing just that.

So we are doing the 'people copying what people on the telly are doing' arguement then?

[Voynich]

I think it's probably rather inexpensive and easy to make them. So don't expect an end to them soon, OP.

[elliecat]

I watch Masterchef, Great British Bake off and Saturday Kitchen sometimes. It can give you ideas and inspiration.

[ChristopherJ]

Masterchef: the Professionals is the only one I watch regularly, as it features Michel Roux Jr., who is a sort of tv antidote to Gordon Ramsay and thus proof you don't have to be boorish, foul-mouthed bully to be a great chef.

I occasionally watch The Great British Menu when it's on, as again it features professionals, though it's hard not to feel that some of the critics on it (apart from Pru Leith) could do with having their heads shoved down a toilet.

[haphash]

And still we have a nation of people who can barely cook (if you listen to government propaganda).

You would think that with all these cooking programmes on the general populus would all be fabulous chefs by now.

Clearly something is going wrong with the presentation.

[wazzyboy]

TV should surely be more than entertainment, it is also for information, instruction, exploration, discovery, debate, etc etc.

And people have the right to pick and choose, which clearly (if, to coin a phrase, they can't cook or won't cook) they do.

[UKMikey]

You'd think with all these singing programmes on we'd have a nation of Pavarottis and Dame Kiris now by the same logic.

I always assumed these cooking programmes were a bird thing.

[plymouthbloke1974]

Originally Posted by sweetpeanut

Horses for courses really

Horses?

Four courses

[BellaRosa]

Originally Posted by ladymoanalot

Although I like Come Dine With Me because the narrator is comedy gold!

This is the only cooking show I sometimes watch due to Dave Lamb

The rest just just 'cook off' our screens. There are far too many

[vosne]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

Yeah, TBH, I thought about re-writing it about bicyclists instead but I'd already typed it so, meh.

I wasn't suggesting that's what epicurian was doing btw.
I was just pointing out that pretty-much every opinion posted here is going to be a "minority" opinion in the grand scheme of things.

I know. Still made me laugh my head off though..

[gashead]

Originally Posted by Ber

So we are doing the 'people copying what people on the telly are doing' arguement then?

I'd love the chance to copy some of the things he does ! The best I can hope for is TGI Friday.

[rikstan87]

I love man v food makes me want to go to USA an eat till I'm fat!

[ladymoanalot]

Originally Posted by BellaRosa

This is the only cooking show I sometimes watch due to Dave Lamb

The rest just just 'cook off' our screens. There are far too many

Ha ha the best one I heard was over the weekend.

The woman was frantically moving pots about in her miniscule kitchen and achieveing absoluely nothing , to which Dave explains "well that was about as useful as re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic"

[SuperDude95]

I like cooking but I don't like watching cooking shows on TV.

[epicurian]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

TBH. I don't think it's eluding anybody.

It's just a case of somebody taking the opportunity to voice a subjective opinion.

Take a look through DS and you'll find that the vast majority of discussion occurs on the same basis.

In fact, I find it rather disingenuous when people try to use a "fallacy of scale" to try and refute an argument.
Somebody'll post a thread about, say, a dozen muslims raping kids and somebody else will show up and say "Yeah but that's only a tiny number of people. It's not like ALL muslims are raping kids" as if that, somehow, mitigates the issue under discussion.

Sorry, I'm not seeing how this relates to what I said. I'm not refuting any argument since I haven't seen an argument to refute. The OP expressed a subjective opinion, and melodramatically declared television had reached an all time low, without really explaining himself beyond him not liking it. Different people like different things, which I think is good. I could be wrong, but the OP doesn't seem to agree, and that's the egocentrism I was getting at.

And we are still talking about cookery shows right? Not really comparable to heavy, emotive subjects like religion and rape... imo.

[Phil 2804]

Originally Posted by mickbirch2000

What is it with TV these days, people throwing things in hot oily pans everywhere you look, I really think some television has reached an all time low..

Cooking has always been prominent on TV for the simple reason that cooking is of great interest to a lot of people, the programmes don't cost much to make and they get good ratings anytime day or night.

If cooking is more prominent now its a reflection that the British in general have become more experimental and more interested in new recipe ideas.

[bambii]

We have had a few great recipes come from watching cooking programs. Jamie Olivers 15 minute meals is a fave! We have lovely bbq's in the summer thanks to Jamie! lol

[Rorschach]

I'd also say that I can't imagine how cookery programs can represent an all time low when programs such as TOWIE, Geordie Shore and Peter Andre - Look at me exist.

[Trsvis_Bickle]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

It's the two arseholes who judge Masterchef that really wind me up.The way they talk, you'd think they were discussing artwork or philosophy or something.

"Ah, well, the flavour of this meat is drowned by the sharpness of the jus, the potatoes are slightly overcooked and stodgy and the presentation of the vegetables is confusing and distracts the eye"

Oh, really?
Well, give it to a starving african then you miserable c**t.
I'm sure he won't mind a sharp jus or stodgy potatoes!

It's food. It's cooked. It's edible.
Eat it. Thank the cook and get on with the rest of your life.

BIB, is it still 'those 2 blokes who look like burglars' to quote Alan Partridge?

The trouble with anything when it gets on TV is that the programme-makers have to talk it up and make it far more complicated than it really is. To take your Formula 1 example, the post-race discussion could be 'Well, they went round and round and then the German won' - job done. However, when you've got a couple of hours of airtime to fill, it's not enough. Same with football - to hear some of the pundits, you'd think they were deconstructing an Ibsen play instead of talking about a few thuggish millionaires kicking a ball around.

Actually I agree with you about the cookery programmes; I love cooking but I don't watch them. I'm not going to learn anything about cooking from a couple of overweight Northerners preparing basic grub and regaling the audience with what they think is amusing repartee.