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Old 31-01-2013, 12:11
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Even if the data were true it's meaningless, like comparing only a random 50m of a 800m race.

Will 160k Playbooks sell next quarter? No, these were xmas sales of a discounted gadget.
I don't think it's meaningless, but it should be interpreted with a lot of caution.

The playbook stuff is fascinating for example. It suggests that there are a lot of people that don't care about Android vs iOS, or advertising campaigns or retina screens or Note styluses and just want something that doesn't cost much but will do the job. It may be that something like the new £99 Acer 7" could do pretty well.
http://www.itproportal.com/2013/01/0...99-tablet-ces/

And yes, whilst it apparently discounts Appl-e store sales, it does look at people who leave the house saying "I want a tablet" rather than "I want an ipad", then go to stores selling all or most of the popular brands.

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Old 31-01-2013, 14:29
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I don't think it's meaningless, but it should be interpreted with a lot of caution.

The playbook stuff is fascinating for example. It suggests that there are a lot of people that don't care about Android vs iOS, or advertising campaigns or retina screens or Note styluses and just want something that doesn't cost much but will do the job. It may be that something like the new £99 Acer 7" could do pretty well.
http://www.itproportal.com/2013/01/0...99-tablet-ces/

And yes, whilst it apparently discounts Appl-e store sales, it does look at people who leave the house saying "I want a tablet" rather than "I want an ipad", then go to stores selling all or most of the popular brands.
Makes you wonder how the many more sales the PB could get if they promoted it better.
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Old 31-01-2013, 14:46
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alternate numbers for tablets worldwide
http://www.androidauthority.com/stro...lining-152645/

Apple 43%
Sam.sung 15%
Amazon 11.5%
Asus 5.8%
Barnes n Noble (Nook) ~2%
Microsoft ~2%

(Blackberry/RIM below that)

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Old 31-01-2013, 14:49
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I don't think it's meaningless, but it should be interpreted with a lot of caution.

The playbook stuff is fascinating for example. It suggests that there are a lot of people that don't care about Android vs iOS, or advertising campaigns or retina screens or Note styluses and just want something that doesn't cost much but will do the job. It may be that something like the new £99 Acer 7" could do pretty well.
http://www.itproportal.com/2013/01/0...99-tablet-ces/

And yes, whilst it apparently discounts Appl-e store sales, it does look at people who leave the house saying "I want a tablet" rather than "I want an ipad", then go to stores selling all or most of the popular brands.
Yes, there's definitely a market out there for people who don't care about brands, don't want to spend much, and think they'll get the same tablet experience regardless of what they buy. The Playbook is idea for those people as opposed to a cheapo Chinese tablet, because at least they'll get a reasonable experience with the PB.
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Old 30-04-2013, 22:39
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Don't know if will ever happen, but I have read that Blackberry are intending to release BB10 for the Playbook at some point. That should improve things a lot, if the hardware can manage it.
Hopefully they've designed BB10 with the PB in mind
Looking less likely that there is any scope for Blackberry tablets with their CEO predicting there being no use for tablets in 5 years.
“In five years I don’t think there’ll be a reason to have a tablet anymore,” Heins said in an interview yesterday at the Milken Institute conference in Los Angeles. “Maybe a big screen in your workspace, but not a tablet as such. Tablets themselves are not a good business model.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...f-tablets.html
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:21
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also there was a lot of confusion regarding the iPad 3 and 4 and which was the new ipad with retina display. At first many of the shops were still selling the iPad 3 and calling it the new ipad. Many had no clue about the iPad 4 for a while. If you factor those sales in the iPad 4 would have sold more than the play book even at its discounted price.
It's easy to tell as the iPad 4 has the new Lightning port. I own an iPad 4 and still can't get over how tiny the new port is. Extremely well made and designed.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:23
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Yep people need to start thinking outside of the box a little. as mobile browsers become more advanced there doesn't need to be a heavy reliance on apps in the traditional sense. look how Google chrome on the desktop can run feature rich apps and games right in the browser itself. HTML 5 is powerful and you are gonna see a lot more amazing web apps on a par with regular app that you get from the app stores.

blackberry are ahead of the game in this regard as they have a browser in bb10 capable of running web apps extremely well and are still not dropping flash So current content will still be supported.
The lack of Flash on the iPad is rarely an issue. The lack of a reasonably number of apps available with the old niche PlayBook and even Android tablets is an issue.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:24
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Remember that the figures here don't include either Apple's online sales, Apple's retail store sales, or Apple's Premium Reseller sales (Apple deliver directly to their Premium Resellers)

These figures are movements through the generic UK IT supply chains only.
Not considering those primary sources is going to skew badly the numbers.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:27
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I don't think it's meaningless, but it should be interpreted with a lot of caution.

The playbook stuff is fascinating for example. It suggests that there are a lot of people that don't care about Android vs iOS, or advertising campaigns or retina screens or Note styluses and just want something that doesn't cost much but will do the job. It may be that something like the new £99 Acer 7" could do pretty well.
http://www.itproportal.com/2013/01/0...99-tablet-ces/

And yes, whilst it apparently discounts Appl-e store sales, it does look at people who leave the house saying "I want a tablet" rather than "I want an ipad", then go to stores selling all or most of the popular brands.
Most of those people likely want an iPad but are trying to save money. You are better waiting and saving up for the iPad.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:07
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Most of those people likely want an iPad but are trying to save money. You are better waiting and saving up for the iPad.
hahaha. You're funny
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:39
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"Also noted is that retailers have much higher profit margins for the PlayBook which helps them want to move more product"

That's always been the weird thing. Both retailers and consumers pay who more for what in reality be low priced to market the restricted apps centered xbox like platform..
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:26
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The lack of Flash on the iPad is rarely an issue. The lack of a reasonably number of apps available with the old niche PlayBook and even Android tablets is an issue.
I think the lack of apps available for the playbook is more of an issue than the lack of tablet specific apps/apps available for android tablets. I think the Apple app store has better apps than the play store but I can find 80 % of the apps I want in the google play store. Most of the big apps are available in both stores. However a lot of the major apps are just not available for the blackberry play book, and the only way to get them is to sideload. The lack of flash on ios devices is rarely an issue for me, because of the wealth of TV shows that you can buy from itunes. There have been times when I've needed to stream a TV show from a flash based site and in that case I've just used my android tablet instead of my ipad. I think for me the best solution I've found is to have both android and ios devices so that I get the best of both worlds. However if I could only have one tablet it would be an ipad as it suits my needs better (consupmtion).
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:01
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The lack of Flash on the iPad is rarely an issue. The lack of a reasonably number of apps available with the old niche PlayBook and even Android tablets is an issue.
Agree about the lack of apps on the Playbook, but the vast majority of apps you can get for the iPad are readily available for Android too. The only thing I notice is that app updates tend to come out for the iPad first, then the Android version is updated soon after.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:49
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Most of those people likely want an iPad but are trying to save money. You are better waiting and saving up for the iPad.
No, they don't.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:50
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Most of those people likely want an iPad but are trying to save money. You are better waiting and saving up for the iPad.
Your name is Hugh isn't it?
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Old 01-05-2013, 13:22
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Lack of apps is not necessarily a problem. Depends what you are using the playbook for. There is plenty of functionality out of the box. Can browse the net, play flash video, play music. upload and watch video on it, there is a selection of games, you can connect through hdmi to a tv. Plenty to do on a playbook, for the money that you are paying.

Not everyone needs a device that is saturated in apps. Most already have a smartphone with plenty of apps. So a 7 inch tablet which you can pick up for just over £100 with 64gb of storage is bloody good value still!
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:43
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Android now leads the tablet market for shipments in Q1 this year.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/01/i...share-q1-2013/

Samsung and Asus are also 2nd and 3rd to Apple in terms of tablet market share. The two Android vendors have seen a 282.6% and 350% growth rate respectively. Blackberry does not appear on the list. It is most likely included in the "Others" category.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:47
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Android now leads the tablet market for shipments in Q1 this year.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/01/i...share-q1-2013/

Samsung and Asus are also 2nd and 3rd to Apple in terms of tablet market share. The two Android vendors have seen a 282.6% and 350% growth rate respectively. Blackberry does not appear on the list. It is most likely included in the "Others" category.
Shows how dominant Apple still are in the Tablet market. I think we are still waiting for a breakout Android Tablet to push the sales for one of the manufactures. The Nexus 7 has done pretty well but Android needs a Tablet along the lines of the S3 to really get people interested.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:54
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Shows how dominant Apple still are in the Tablet market. I think we are still waiting for a breakout Android Tablet to push the sales for one of the manufactures. The Nexus 7 has done pretty well but Android needs a Tablet along the lines of the S3 to really get people interested.
The tablet is looking very much like the mobile market was just a few years ago. The Android model vs. the model that Apple adopts means that Android will always be able to overtake Apple in terms of market share, however, as with the S3, it will still take some time before sales of single Android devices rival the Apple equivalent.

I think the Nexus 7 is getting there though, a 2nd generation version is due very soon so it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against the iPad Mini 2. Google seem to be playing the tablet market even more aggressively than they did with the mobile market, especially with Amazon in the mix.

Due to the success of Android on mobile, I think it's fair to say that consumers acknowledge it as a reputable brand/software, so we could see single Android tablets rise in sales a lot quicker than in the mobile market. But for now, Apple remains in a strong position largely due to the earlier start.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:00
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Android now leads the tablet market for shipments in Q1 this year.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/01/i...share-q1-2013/

Samsung and Asus are also 2nd and 3rd to Apple in terms of tablet market share. The two Android vendors have seen a 282.6% and 350% growth rate respectively. Blackberry does not appear on the list. It is most likely included in the "Others" category.
And yet 90% of web traffic from tablets come from iPads showing that either most of those tablets don't get much use after purchase or they are simply being used mainly for other purposes such e-books.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:03
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And yet 90% of web traffic from tablets come from iPads showing that either most of those tablets don't get much use after purchase or they are simply being used mainly for other purposes such e-books.
Most likely because it's more difficult to change the user agent string on an iPad. Android tablets can easily enable a "desktop mode" to view all web pages in full format so they will show up in a different way.

Apple are obviously threatened by Android, which is why they rushed to release the iPad Mini and even desperately tried to compare it to the Nexus 7 in their own keynote.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:05
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Agree about the lack of apps on the Playbook, but the vast majority of apps you can get for the iPad are readily available for Android too. The only thing I notice is that app updates tend to come out for the iPad first, then the Android version is updated soon after.
No, the "vast majority of **tablet** apps available for the iPad are not "readily available for Android." Far from it. The iPad has over 300,00 tablet apps available and Google refuses to release figures for **tablet** apps. The best estimates are just a small fraction of what is available for the iPad.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:15
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Most likely because it's more difficult to change the user agent string on an iPad. Android tablets can easily enable a "desktop mode" to view all web pages in full format so they will show up in a different way.
The average user, otherwise known as the the vast majority of users, of all mobile devices are not looking "to change the user agent string" so that argument holds no water.

Apple are obviously threatened by Android, which is why they rushed to release the iPad Mini and even desperately tried to compare it to the Nexus 7 in their own keynote.
The only comparisons I saw truthfully showed some glaring deficiencies with the Nexus 7, the biggest being the lack of access to a large number of actual **tablet** apps, unlike the over 300,000 available for the iPad. The build quality difference between the two is also stark. The Nexus feels and looks really cheap in comparison.

What makes you think they "rushed" to release the iPad min? If that were the case it would have existed a long time ago. It is a rare thing for Apple to rush anything. Besides, Apple has always made its products in varying sizes, the iPods being the perfect example.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:22
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Most people I have known that have bought an Android tablet wanted an iPad to begin with but wanted to save money. A couple of people wanted some features an iPad doesn't offer. The funny thing is that in the end they wished they had bought an iPad instead.

It makes sense to buy an iPad just for the number of tablet apps it has access to, then when you factor in build quality, the best customer service and tech support, third party accessory support and resale value the answer is clear as to what tablet is overall superior.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:23
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The average user, otherwise known as the the vast majority of users, of all mobile devices are not looking "to change the user agent string" so that argument holds no water.



The only comparisons I saw truthfully showed some glaring deficiencies with the Nexus 7, the biggest being the lack of access to a large number of actual **tablet** apps, unlike the over 300,000 available for the iPad. The build quality difference between the two is also stark. The Nexus feels and looks really cheap in comparison.

What makes you think they "rushed" to release the iPad min? If that were the case it would have existed a long time ago. It is a rare thing for Apple to rush anything. Besides, Apple has always made its products in varying sizes, the iPods being the perfect example.
Ipad mini doesn't exactly look that good either. in fact it's just an oversized iphone, stretched horizontally and vertically, with the same boring old interface.
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