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Old 02-05-2013, 00:29
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The average user, otherwise known as the the vast majority of users, of all mobile devices are not looking "to change the user agent string" so that argument holds no water.
All you have to do is check "show desktop view", it's something even a child can do, and something nearly every user is aware of, the feature is very easily accessed. That feature is not found on iOS however.

The only comparisons I saw truthfully showed some glaring deficiencies with the Nexus 7, the biggest being the lack of access to a large number of actual **tablet** apps, unlike the over 300,000 available for the iPad. The build quality difference between the two is also stark. The Nexus feels and looks really cheap in comparison.

What makes you think they "rushed" to release the iPad min? If that were the case it would have existed a long time ago. It is a rare thing for Apple to rush anything. Besides, Apple has always made its products in varying sizes, the iPods being the perfect example.
Google doesn't distinguish between tablet and mobile apps. It's inefficient to have to install a separate app for different types of devices. Android has an API which scales and alters the UI according to the screen size, it's a far more elegant solution than a whole separate app, so the "Android has no tablet apps" argument fails there.

http://developer.android.com/distrib...ty/tablet.html

The iPad Mini was obviously a reactionary measure, that much was clear from their desperate keynote where they tried to slate competitors.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:30
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Ipad mini doesn't exactly look that good either. in fact it's just an oversized iphone, stretched horizontally and vertically, with the same boring old interface.
I think it looks very ugly and scratch prone. The Nexus 7 seems like a more human device with soft-touch materials which make it comfortable to hold.

Plus the Nexus 7 (and Playbook) can be held with one hand which I think is a massive plus for a tablet in this class. The iPad Mini is far too wide and awkward to hold with one hand, it almost defeats the purpose.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:00
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sure enough, Android tablets have overtaken iOS.

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Old 02-05-2013, 01:27
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Ipad mini doesn't exactly look that good either. in fact it's just an oversized iphone, stretched horizontally and vertically, with the same boring old interface.
I wasn't talking about aesthetics, as that is subjective. I was talking about build quality. Clearly the iPad mini is a night and day difference in build quality. As I said, the difference is stark.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:36
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Google doesn't distinguish between tablet and mobile apps. It's inefficient to have to install a separate app for different types of devices. Android has an API which scales and alters the UI according to the screen size, it's a far more elegant solution than a whole separate app, so the "Android has no tablet apps" argument fails there.
This Android focused piece begs to differ:


http://www.androidcentral.com/idc-an...style_mobile=0

It highlights exactly the issue that has been raised many times here, but that certain Android users deny. Apps that simply scale up to fit any screen size don't make the most of a tablet sized screen.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:36
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All you have to do is check "show desktop view", it's something even a child can do, and something nearly every user is aware of, the feature is very easily accessed. That feature is not found on iOS however.
Then that would suggest most Android tablet users use that function **all the time** since 90% of all tablet web traffic registers as coming from the iPad. Very unlikely.

Google doesn't distinguish between tablet and mobile apps. It's inefficient to have to install a separate app for different types of devices. Android has an API which scales and alters the UI according to the screen size, it's a far more elegant solution than a whole separate app, so the "Android has no tablet apps" argument fails there.

http://developer.android.com/distrib...ty/tablet.html

The iPad Mini was obviously a reactionary measure, that much was clear from their desperate keynote where they tried to slate competitors.
Scaling a phone app doesn't make it a tablet app. And the Android ability of writing one app to include adjustable interfaces depending on the many screen sizes and resolutions available with Android tablets is very rarely used because it is still like writing multiple apps with the only difference is that they are contained in one file. The vast majority of developers have no desire to account for the huge variations in screen size and resolution you find with Android tablets.

Google doesn't talk about the number of Android tablets apps because it knows it pales in comparison to the over 300,000 available for the iPad.

As for the introduction of the iPad mini being "reactionary," that makes little sense seeing as Apple has always made its products in varying sizes. Apple also did a perfect job of showing how overall the iPad mini is superior to the competition.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:42
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This latest sales data casts even more doubt on the topic of this thread. Considering that Playbooks didn't even feature in the sales figures for Q1 2013, I find it very difficult to believe that they were the top sellers for Q4 2012.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:43
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I think it looks very ugly and scratch prone. The Nexus 7 seems like a more human device with soft-touch materials which make it comfortable to hold.
Apple is known for its styling so most people would disagree with you. And no, it is not "scratch prone."

Plus the Nexus 7 (and Playbook) can be held with one hand which I think is a massive plus for a tablet in this class. The iPad Mini is far too wide and awkward to hold with one hand, it almost defeats the purpose.
Considering how light the iPad mini (yes, lighter than the smaller Nexus 7) is one doesn't need to palm the device. The fact is though most people with average size hands can. The bigger screen on the iPad mini allows much more to be viewed on the screen, like web pages, while still being much smaller than the full sized iPad.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:47
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Wave goodbye to Apple's hold on the tablet market because it's not going to last much longer. By this time next year I think Android will have extended its lead even more. There are some very exciting products in the pipeline.

The tablet market is obviously following the same trend as the mobile market, where only a quarter of the market share worldwide is not controlled by Android.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:50
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Wave goodbye to Apple's hold on the tablet market because it's not going to last much longer. By this time next year I think Android will have extended its lead even more. There are some very exciting products in the pipeline.

The tablet market is obviously following the same trend as the mobile market, where only a quarter of the market share worldwide is not controlled by Android.
What "exciting products?" More ho hum inexpensive 7" tablets?

The fact is, the experience on the iPad is a night and day difference better since you have so many more apps to choose from. You also get the best build quality, much less of a chance of getting malware, the best resale value, the best customer service and tech support and the best third party accessories support.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:54
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What "exciting products?" More ho hum inexpensive 7" tablets?
You'll see. But don't worry, iOS users will probably get to experience some of Android's latest features in the iPhone 6S or something in a few years, so it's not all bad.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:56
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All you have to do is check "show desktop view", it's something even a child can do, and something nearly every user is aware of, the feature is very easily accessed. That feature is not found on iOS however.
Not found on Safari.

Chrome for iOS has "Request Desktop Site", while other browsers such as iCab Mobile allow you to change the user agent to that of a variety of desktop or mobile browsers.

Still, you don't usually need to specifically request a desktop version when browsing on an iPad, whether using Safari or any other browser. Although browsing using an iPhone usually means you end up on a mobile site, when you browse on an iPad you usually end up on a full desktop site (in my experience).

Google doesn't distinguish between tablet and mobile apps. It's inefficient to have to install a separate app for different types of devices. Android has an API which scales and alters the UI according to the screen size, it's a far more elegant solution than a whole separate app, so the "Android has no tablet apps" argument fails there.
It was only really in the early days of the iPad that you would have normal apps for the iPhone only and separate "HD" apps for the iPad only.

Apps on iOS have been moving away from that for a while now.

Most apps nowadays are "Universal" apps, that work on the iPhone and iPad, scaled and optimised for whichever device you install them on, with a different UI too.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:42
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For me, Android will not have Apple beaten until they produce tablets with the 4:3 screen ratio.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:49
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Apple is known for its styling so most people would disagree with you. And no, it is not "scratch prone."



Considering how light the iPad mini (yes, lighter than the smaller Nexus 7) is one doesn't need to palm the device. The fact is though most people with average size hands can. The bigger screen on the iPad mini allows much more to be viewed on the screen, like web pages, while still being much smaller than the full sized iPad.
I hold my ipad mini in one hand all the time on the tube. It's very easy. Personally I think the iPad mini was released in response to the amazon kindle Fire rather than any android tablets. The original kindle did very well in the US when first released.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:12
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Your name is Hugh isn't it?
Could be one of hundreds. They supposedly don't even pay them.

Fact is that Apple has a 'never the twain' policy to ensure phone, tablet and PC identifies in its own sector.

So you can do things on a PC that you can't do on a tablet and yet that tablet can do things you can't do on a smartphone.

The upcoming new OS/X marketing slogan of 'power-features' is almost certainly in fact code for merging OS/X into IOS which eventually may jettison any power users left.
Bizarrely long term, via Xboxification, there may only Android left with the mantle of 'user controllable' PC.
Obviously by forcing a 'never the twain policy' you get double or even triple sales, something Android cannot so easily do in its present guise.

The Playbook is the same. It would also sell better if it allowed an Android install.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21
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For me, Android will not have Apple beaten until they produce tablets with the 4:3 screen ratio.
choice remember

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Old 02-05-2013, 10:33
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Not found on Safari.

Chrome for iOS has "Request Desktop Site", while other browsers such as iCab Mobile allow you to change the user agent to that of a variety of desktop or mobile browsers.

Still, you don't usually need to specifically request a desktop version when browsing on an iPad, whether using Safari or any other browser. Although browsing using an iPhone usually means you end up on a mobile site, when you browse on an iPad you usually end up on a full desktop site (in my experience).



It was only really in the early days of the iPad that you would have normal apps for the iPhone only and separate "HD" apps for the iPad only.

Apps on iOS have been moving away from that for a while now.

Most apps nowadays are "Universal" apps, that work on the iPhone and iPad, scaled and optimised for whichever device you install them on, with a different UI too.
Indeed. But we always seem to regress to extremely dated arguments on DS that bear no relevance to the present.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:00
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Most people I have known that have bought an Android tablet wanted an iPad to begin with but wanted to save money. A couple of people wanted some features an iPad doesn't offer. The funny thing is that in the end they wished they had bought an iPad instead.

It makes sense to buy an iPad just for the number of tablet apps it has access to, then when you factor in build quality, the best customer service and tech support, third party accessory support and resale value the answer is clear as to what tablet is overall superior.
I have a playbook tablet and a samsung s3 phone (previously had a blackberry curve).
I can honestly say that I have NEVER wanted to buy an Apple Product and did not choose my products in order to save money but bought them because I actually wanted them.
You might find it hard to believe but some people do actually WANT something other than iphones/ipads
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:40
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but some people do actually WANT something other than iphones/ipads
Growth of Android tablets was 247% hitting 57% of all sales.
The iPad whilst increasing sales is very rapidly losing market share.

There is such a great choice of tablets available now Apple only has the app store as a plus. Much of the rest sucks unless all your other gadgets are also walled in.
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Old 03-05-2013, 17:36
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Most people I have known that have bought an Android tablet wanted an iPad to begin with but wanted to save money. A couple of people wanted some features an iPad doesn't offer. The funny thing is that in the end they wished they had bought an iPad instead.

It makes sense to buy an iPad just for the number of tablet apps it has access to, then when you factor in build quality, the best customer service and tech support, third party accessory support and resale value the answer is clear as to what tablet is overall superior.
It makes sense to buy an Android tablet as it has plenty of apps, more features and isn't locked into Apple's ecosystem
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Old 03-05-2013, 17:56
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It makes sense to buy an Android tablet as it has plenty of apps, more features and isn't locked into Apple's ecosystem
The Playbook is the same. It would also sell better if it allowed an Android install.
That other tablet that got some rave reviews, the Fire style Nook HD has just today gone over to full Android.

The reviews were very suspect in that Barnes & Noble app store was near empty of everything you might want no doubt causing far too many returns.
Now that it has both Chrome and the Play store in 'Nook versus Fire versus Playbook', to me, the Nook now wins quite easily.

Those older media newspaper rave reviews are now in fact correct, just 6 months ahead of their time.
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Old 03-05-2013, 18:20
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Samsung are here
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Old 03-05-2013, 18:30
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That other tablet that got some rave reviews, the Fire style Nook HD has just today gone over to full Android.

The reviews were very suspect in that Barnes & Noble app store was near empty of everything you might want no doubt causing far too many returns.
Now that it has both Chrome and the Play store in 'Nook versus Fire versus Playbook', to me, the Nook now wins quite easily.

Those older media newspaper rave reviews are now in fact correct, just 6 months ahead of their time.
Maybe they're about to pull out of the market, so without abandoning customers after shutting down their app store, they just installed Google Play on their devices.
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Old 03-05-2013, 19:07
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Maybe they're about to pull out of the market, so without abandoning customers after shutting down their app store, they just installed Google Play on their devices.
Highly possible. I also suspect cash flow problems. They are just too small to finance it all like Amazon.

Though the Nook could now end up being quite a success.
Great battery, great screen, stylish lightweight design, plus Nook books and stuff still too I imagine.
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Old 03-05-2013, 19:48
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That other tablet that got some rave reviews, the Fire style Nook HD has just today gone over to full Android.

The reviews were very suspect in that Barnes & Noble app store was near empty of everything you might want no doubt causing far too many returns.
Now that it has both Chrome and the Play store in 'Nook versus Fire versus Playbook', to me, the Nook now wins quite easily.

Those older media newspaper rave reviews are now in fact correct, just 6 months ahead of their time.
All the nooks including the nook HD and the HD+ are on sale at the moment too.
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