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Old 30-01-2013, 14:22
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Ok this is a little uncomfortable for me. A relative has been diagnosed with Cervical Cancer. She's been doing a lot of research and has come to the conclusion that she wants to stop Chemo (did three days of it and felt sick as a dog) and try Hemp Oil instead. She's pretty adamant about this and spoke to me at length going on about the 2% success rate of Chemo and the "apparent" 100% success rate of Hemp Oil.

I don't know whether she was trying to persuade me or herself as to taking herself off the Chemo course. But I doubt I would have changed her mind anyway. I do know myself part of recovery is positive thinking and if you go into treatment with a negative approach you decrease the chances of success.
(She has even said she life would be over as she would be too ill to work and not afford anything and stay inside feeling miserable. )

So although personally I think she should take chemo her own major doubts would make that decision moot anyway. It's her with the cancer not me and I can't make the decision for her.

All I can do is seek advice from other people with experience to know how to talk to her about this. I have my own issues including struggling to deal with the unexpected and on Disability because change in routine for me is that bad.

What I would like to know is if this 2% success rate is accurate? Whether Cervical Cancer has a higher success rate and whether Hemp Oil is really as good as personal accounts attest it to be?
It would help both of us to deal with it better together. I want to help my relative but it's so hard when she keeps going on and all I want to say but can't is, "shut up I don't want to deal with it." I'm not that sort of person to shut anyone down in need like that.

So please just some information would mean a hell of a lot right now.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:29
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I can only speak from when I had breast cancer and say she can try all the alternatives she likes but please don't give up the conventional medicine, chemo is nasty but I wouldn't be here today without it.

Is she in touch with others going through the same thing, my oncologist ran a group we all supported each other. Some didn't make it but it was only 2 out of the twenty in our group which tells me the 2% figure must be wrong.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:33
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I can only speak from when I had breast cancer and say she can try all the alternatives she likes but please don't give up the conventional medicine, chemo is nasty but I wouldn't be here today without it.

Is she in touch with others going through the same thing, my oncologist ran a group we all supported each other. Some didn't make it but it was only 2 out of the twenty in our group which tells me the 2% figure must be wrong.
I don't think she is. I'll ask her. Maybe a group with more experience can help her make a better informed decision then Google research.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:39
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chemo is just the worst thing, and is also the best thing...at a time when you feel vunerable these other painless cures sound like miracles, but lets face it they are not are they.

for a lot of people chemo works (it did for me) i would not consider anything else unless advised by the oncologist.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:44
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chemo is just the worst thing, and is also the best thing...at a time when you feel vunerable these other painless cures sound like miracles, but lets face it they are not are they.

for a lot of people chemo works (it did for me) i would not consider anything else unless advised by the oncologist.
Her biggest worry I think is losing her job as she would be too sick to do chemo and work. And she loves her job and worked hard to get it. But she won't get it back if she's too ill for 2 years.

Would Chemo be so bad she would have to stop work?
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:45
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Can't she do chemo and the hemp treatment concurrently?
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:49
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I see David Icke recomends hemp oil. No further research is necessary for me to wholeheartedly recommend the chemotherapy.
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:02
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I see David Icke recomends hemp oil. No further research is necessary for me to wholeheartedly recommend the chemotherapy.
100% of people who survived using hemp oil recommend it. All the people who died using it failed to respond to the survey.

Seriously though, the survival rates look pretty good with conventional treatment

Stage 1
Stage 1 cervical cancer means the cancer is only in the cervix. It is is now divided into 4 groups: stage 1A1, stage 1A2, stage 1B1 and stage 1B2, depending on the size of the cancer. The outcome or chance of being cured is better the earlier the cancer is detected. Smaller cancers have a better prognosis. The smallest tumours of only a few millimetres (stage 1A1) are very unlikely to recur and have a cure rate of 98 to 99%, if they are completely removed. For stage 1A2 cancers the cure rate is between 95 and 98%. For stage 1B1 cancers the cure rate is between 90 to 95%. A stage 1B2 cervical cancer, which may be larger than 4cm in diameter, still has a very good chance of cure. 8 out of 10 women (80%) with stage 1B2 cervical cancer will be cured.

Stage 2
Stage 2 means that the cancer has spread to tissue close to the cervix. It is divided into 2 main groups: stages 2A and 2B. For all those women diagnosed with stage 2A cervical cancer, between 7 and 9 out of 10 (70 to 90%) will be alive 5 years later.

For stage 2B the figures are slightly lower. Between 6 and 7 out of every 10 women (60 to 70%) will be alive 5 years after diagnosis.

Stage 3
Stage 3 means the cancer has spread to the lower vagina or the side of the pelvis. As you might expect, the survival statistics fall with the more advanced stages of cervical cancer. Between 3 and 5 out of 10 women (30 to 50%) live at least five years after a diagnosis of stage 3 cervical cancer.

Stage 4
Stage 4 means the cancer has spread to distant organs or into the bladder or bowel. As it is the most advanced stage, the survival statistics are lowest for stage 4 cervical cancers. 20 out of 100 women (20%) will live 5 years or longer with stage 4 cervical cancer. These are figures for all stage 4 cervical cancers. The figures will be slightly higher for women with stage 4A cancers and lower for those with stage 4B cancers.
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/canc...cs-and-outlook
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:09
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How far advanced is the cancer?
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:11
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There is no good evidence at all to support hemp oil as a cancer cure, no double blind clinical trials to support it - unlike chemotherapy.

If it really did have a 100% success rate, why wouldn't oncologists prescribe it? 'Big Pharma' is doing research into cannabis so it can't be that they can't profit from it.

I think the suggestion she join a support group could help - especially to try an find ways of dealing with the side effects of Chemo. Ironically, there is some evidence cannabis can help with this BUT there may be interactions so any use of supplemental therapies should be discussed with her doctors first.
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:33
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How far advanced is the cancer?
From what I know she got abnormal cells but it may be starting to affect her liver or bladder a little. I think it's early stages but not 100% .
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:36
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http://naturalsociety.com/chemothera...cer-far-worse/



http://norml-uk.org/2012/08/cannabis-can-cure-cancer/ (scroll down the page and there are lots of stories and opinions)
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:51
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Her biggest worry I think is losing her job as she would be too sick to do chemo and work. And she loves her job and worked hard to get it. But she won't get it back if she's too ill for 2 years.

Would Chemo be so bad she would have to stop work?
She won't have a job if she's dead. And if she stops chemo and relies on hemp oil instead, that's what she will be, 100%.

If hemp oil worked, does anyone HONESTLY think that mainstream medicine wouldn't be giving it to people? There's no conspiracy here.
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:53
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From what I know she got abnormal cells but it may be starting to affect her liver or bladder a little. I think it's early stages but not 100% .
If the cancer has reached the liver, then it's not at an early stage (although this needs to be confirmed). Early stage cancer is confined to the organ it starts off in. It's only in the later stages that the cancer cells start to migrate in the blood and settle in other organs, and when that happens, only chemotherapy will help.
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Old 30-01-2013, 15:58
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She won't have a job if she's dead. And if she stops chemo and relies on hemp oil instead, that's what she will be, 100%.

If hemp oil worked, does anyone HONESTLY think that mainstream medicine wouldn't be giving it to people? There's no conspiracy here.
She's pretty much said her life would over anyway if she lost everything to take a treatment she feels is only 2% effective. Even tried to convince me by going over scenarios such as putting everything I owned and cared for on a chance of 2% of winning it back and such things like that. She's got it so deep in her head I'm worried it's impossible to get her out of that mindset.

Also she's got it into her head that the Hospitals won't prescribe hemp oil because the pharm companies want them to prescribe only their products. She says it's a fact and not Conspiracy. It sort of is but isn't (Hospital suppliers really want hospitals to use their products but Doctors should and mostly are concerned with helping people), but she won't listen otherwise.

And my relative is EXTREMELY hardheaded and stubborn.
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Old 30-01-2013, 16:01
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If the cancer has reached the liver, then it's not at an early stage (although this needs to be confirmed). Early stage cancer is confined to the organ it starts off in. It's only in the later stages that the cancer cells start to migrate in the blood and settle in other organs, and when that happens, only chemotherapy will help.
I'll find out from her what exactly is going on. Man I feel really selfish wanting her to take chemo. This sucks so bad. I hate being the only sensible person in my family and the only one who really puts themselves on the line to help everyone else and want everyone to get along and be happy. Not that the rest of my family are horrible. I'm just the most willing to listen. God I want to shake her so hard and get sense into her.
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Old 30-01-2013, 16:03
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I had cervical cancer and had to have major surgery to remove every thing, womb ovaries and something I had never heard of, everything had to go.
The cancer specialist gave me six weeks to recover then I started six months of chemo.
The drug used was carboplatin which is one of the drugs where you do not have hair loss unless you are very unlucky.
Because the drug is designed to hit the stomach area the sickness is terrible, despite anti sickness drugs.
At the end of the six months because there is a build up of the drug I was so weak I had to crawl to the loo on hands and knees.
As this was some time ago hopefully now things have improved especially the anti sickness drugs.
Do I believe Hemp Oil could cure cancer, no I do not, I know someone who believes Apricot kernels cures cancer, do they seriously believe the medical profession would put ppl through chemo if something as simple as a kernel is a cure.
Unfortunately you can only advise someone, if the OP's relative does not want chemo then what can you do?.
These days of course everything can be researched on the internet so and also try and find someone who has been through this, I will not lie, it was horrible but I am still alive and I do believe it is because I had the chemo.
CBFreak....if you want to email me about this feel free.
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Old 30-01-2013, 16:16
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Steve Jobs was a big believer in alternative treatment when he had cancer. Here is what he said shortly before his death on the subject:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...r-so-long.html

The 2% vs 100% thing sounds like she has been badly misinformed by someone or something. Granted, if someone has told her she has terminal cancer and there is no treatment available then by all means, try all the alternative treatments you can. But she should not be doing this if other treatments are being recommended to her. Sadly Steve left it too late to realise this. I hope she doesn't.
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Old 30-01-2013, 16:17
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I had cervical cancer and had to have major surgery to remove every thing, womb ovaries and something I had never heard of, everything had to go.
The cancer specialist gave me six weeks to recover then I started six months of chemo.
The drug used was carboplatin which is one of the drugs where you do not have hair loss unless you are very unlucky.
Because the drug is designed to hit the stomach area the sickness is terrible, despite anti sickness drugs.
At the end of the six months because there is a build up of the drug I was so weak I had to crawl to the loo on hands and knees.
As this was some time ago hopefully now things have improved especially the anti sickness drugs.
Do I believe Hemp Oil could cure cancer, no I do not, I know someone who believes Apricot kernels cures cancer, do they seriously believe the medical profession would put ppl through chemo if something as simple as a kernel is a cure.
Unfortunately you can only advise someone, if the OP's relative does not want chemo then what can you do?.
These days of course everything can be researched on the internet so and also try and find someone who has been through this, I will not lie, it was horrible but I am still alive and I do believe it is because I had the chemo.
CBFreak....if you want to email me about this feel free.
Thank you much appreciated. Now I'm going to et my mind off things and watch Pointless. I cope best in dire situations by switching off from them for a while.
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:45
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She's pretty much said her life would over anyway if she lost everything to take a treatment she feels is only 2% effective. Even tried to convince me by going over scenarios such as putting everything I owned and cared for on a chance of 2% of winning it back and such things like that. She's got it so deep in her head I'm worried it's impossible to get her out of that mindset.

Also she's got it into her head that the Hospitals won't prescribe hemp oil because the pharm companies want them to prescribe only their products. She says it's a fact and not Conspiracy. It sort of is but isn't (Hospital suppliers really want hospitals to use their products but Doctors should and mostly are concerned with helping people), but she won't listen otherwise.

And my relative is EXTREMELY hardheaded and stubborn.
One of the stages in serious illness is denial, it's very common. Illness involves loss of control and a great deal of fear. Your relative believes that if she takes control by taking the hemp oil, somehow things will be better than if she surrendered control to the doctors, even if their treatment is statistically likely to have a much higher success rate.

About the only thing you can do is to try to persuade your relative to talk this over with her doctor. If she refuses, then there's not much you can do, unfortunately. Be a listening ear, but refuse to discuss what course of treatment she should have, as this needs to be between her and the doctors.
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Old 30-01-2013, 18:14
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So - I have a disgusting disease that kills 8,000,000 people every year, and the dilemma is, should I go for the medical treatment that every doctor in the world reccomends, or should I just pop down to Holland & Barrett?

Hmm.. that's a toughie.
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Old 30-01-2013, 20:00
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Essentially it boils down to this.

Chemo:
Chance of working and saving your life: Reasonable.
Chance of making your life a bit nasty for a while: Very high

Hemp oil
Chance of working and saving your life: Very very very very low
Chance of making your life a bit nasty for a while: Very low


Ultimately it's her body and her choice, but if she actually wants to get through this but chooses hemp oil over proper proven treatment she is retarded.
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Old 30-01-2013, 20:21
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If she is adamant it works, then can you not encourage her to do both at least?
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Old 30-01-2013, 20:23
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I just cannot seriously believe anyone would consider using an unproven alternative remedy instead of chemotherapy, unless of course they are in the final stages and chemo is being recommended to perhaps give them longer and they would just prefer to not have to deal with anymore treatment.

Of course, I have never had cancer so I do not know how I would react to that. I am pretty sure I would want to do whatever it takes to give me the best chance of survival though and if that is chemotherapy then so be it.

At the end of the day it is her decision, her life and her choice. But she needs to read the facts, not the online pseudo science.

Hemp oil does not have a 100% success rate. End of.
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Old 30-01-2013, 20:28
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So - I have a disgusting disease that kills 8,000,000 people every year, and the dilemma is, should I go for the medical treatment that every doctor in the world reccomends, or should I just pop down to Holland & Barrett?

Hmm.. that's a toughie.
Your sarcasm on this subject disgusts me, you clearly have no idea what people go through when diagnosed with cancer, how they are thinking, they are grieving for their life which they may lose, their thought process is not often rational. I have watched my best friend go through chemo and radiotherapy and she was in so much pain and so Ill she said never again she would rather die.

they can't do anything for her now as her cancer is stage 3 to 4 which puts her into palliative care she is in pain daily and trying to figure out at 35 how to say goodbye to four children two of which will never remember her and one who will barely remember her and one who will never get over losing her
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