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Old 02-02-2013, 10:06
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How do we all think the PS4 will deal with previous games and content?

I have a stack of PSone games which I downloaded from the PS Store, and I'd hate it if these wern't transferable to the PS4 for free. The same with my PSN games and my PS3 games.

I'm really hoping the PS4 plays all my PS3 discs and all PSN content - will be a real shame if not.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:16
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How do we all think the PS4 will deal with previous games and content?

I have a stack of PSone games which I downloaded from the PS Store, and I'd hate it if these wern't transferable to the PS4 for free. The same with my PSN games and my PS3 games.

I'm really hoping the PS4 plays all my PS3 discs and all PSN content - will be a real shame if not.
I'm not sure about ps3 discs (though I'd really expect it) but psn will probably carry on as usual so I'd imagine everything would work fine
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Old 02-02-2013, 15:12
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I think it's asking for a lot. From all of the speculative reports so far, the hardware is going to be closer to PC architecture which is very different to what have gone into the previous PlayStations and there has never been anything like the PS3 (in terms of how the CPU and GPU work together and can share functions).

Look how long it took for Sony to emulate PS2 games on PS3s without PS2 hardware and even then it is only being done game by game.

It would be fantastic if the PS4 worked with 4 generations of games (not forgetting Minis and PS Mobile) but you can't have a standard hardware architecture which is powerful enough to emulate a very powerful and complicated exotic hardware architecture and have that available at a low price and I doubt Sony are going to want to make 100/$100+ loss on every unit sold for 3 or so years, nor will they want to price the PS4 at 425/$599 or higher when the world's economy is so much worse than it was in 2006/7.
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Old 02-02-2013, 15:24
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If digital titles don't carry over to the next system I will be even more wary about digital downloads than I already am at the moment. If PS4 is not compatible with my PS3 discs I can sell those to fund some PS4 games, but all my digital games will be worthless should I decide to trade my PS3 in against my PS4 purchase.

Personally how PSN purchases and accounts are dealt with during the change from PS3 to PS4 (And equally how LIVE does it) will really shape my opinions of digital downloads.

PS+ has dramatically improved my view of DD games, however if all my old PSN game not been compatible with the next system that will erode all that and return me to a "If a games not on a disc I am not interested" stance of the whole download idea.
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Old 02-02-2013, 15:33
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At the very least the PS4 would have to have a cell chip on board - this might only cost an extra $10 a unit but with millions of units this adds up.

I suspect psn versions to transfer fine as they are already running under emulation but I bet no PS3 bc out of the box - instead I bet they promise streaming of PS3 titles via gaikai, which will please buyers until they find their internet is too slow and they get input lag and compression artifacts.
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Old 02-02-2013, 16:46
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I'll be happy if all Playstation Store content you've bought can be carried over. If not, I won't be happy because when they phase the PS3 out, if you ever need to replace your one for any reason, you've lost hundreds of pounds of downloads...
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Old 02-02-2013, 17:00
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As long as it plays my stuff I bought off PSN I don't mind. Not expecting backwards compatibility on PS3 games, and really don't mind if it doesn't play them. A new console with new games is fine by me!

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Old 02-02-2013, 17:04
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i'd expect psn to be tranfer to be seemless, But if sony can grab more money off people they will.

already started my ps4 fund, so far i'm up to 1.82, i reckon i'll need 500 in total
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Old 02-02-2013, 18:11
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For me the only thing that will change is the cost of the PS4

If PS4 has BC then i'll be selling my PS3 to pay towards it
If PS4 doesn't have BC then i'll be keeping my PS3 as there are to many good PS3 games i own which i'm not willing to buy again when they 'suddenly' appear on the store working fine for money
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:56
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As long as it plays my stuff I bought off PSN I don't mind. Not expecting backwards compatibility on PS3 games, and really don't mind if it doesn't play them.
The way you have worded that made me think, what is a PSN game?

When I wrote my post I was thinking PSN games equals games like Super Stardust HD or Journey but when I think off all the games I have got on PS+ I realise that actually some peoples PSN purchases could be games like Bulletstorm or Resident Evil 5.
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Old 02-02-2013, 20:03
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The way you have worded that made me think, what is a PSN game?

When I wrote my post I was thinking PSN games equals games like Super Stardust HD or Journey but when I think off all the games I have got on PS+ I realise that actually some peoples PSN purchases could be games like Bulletstorm or Resident Evil 5.
Possibly stupidly I just bought No No Kuni. Only full price one. Although I got Resi 4 and CODE Veronica too. I bet none of them work. No trade in value on ps3 or the games, Sony won't want a flood of 2nd hand ps3's on the market, unless you want to dump all your ps3 games. I imagine Xbox will be the same.
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Old 02-02-2013, 20:46
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The way you have worded that made me think, what is a PSN game?

When I wrote my post I was thinking PSN games equals games like Super Stardust HD or Journey but when I think off all the games I have got on PS+ I realise that actually some peoples PSN purchases could be games like Bulletstorm or Resident Evil 5.
It doesn't matter. There is no technical difference between a PSN game or a retail game. They both use the same game engines and are programmed the same way.

If the PS4 ships with hardware resembling x86/x64 hardware then Cell emulation is unlikely to happen (look at how Microsoft's Surface RT cannot read any Windows x86 progs due to incompatible hardware architectures).

Minis are however different from PSN/retail games.
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Old 02-02-2013, 21:04
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So then they will always have to support the PS3 being online.. otherwise what happens when you've had to format your PS3 drive? You can't re-download your content?

It's like if Steam decided to release Steam 2, and then not allow you to redownload your years of Steam content.

They have to bear all this in mind.
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Old 02-02-2013, 22:36
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So then they will always have to support the PS3 being online.. otherwise what happens when you've had to format your PS3 drive? You can't re-download your content?

It's like if Steam decided to release Steam 2, and then not allow you to redownload your years of Steam content.

They have to bear all this in mind.
Support will be there for login/account purposes but online play will eventually cease for most, if not all games. First party titles like Killzone and Uncharted will probably last the longest, as long as it's financially viable to keep the dedicated and matchmaking servers running.

As for Steam, it's unlikely to be a problem as long as it supports x86/x64 hardware however, there is no guarantee that old games will run on new hardware.

Also consider the so-called Steambox. It's likely to be Linux based (a PC in a small form factor - like Shuttle PCs which were popular 8yrs ago - is all this will be). I imagine you would be able to log in to your Steam account but how many games available through Steam work on a Linux OS? At the moment I'm sure it's less than 1% and can anyone realistically imagine that developers are going to return to games they've stopped supporting for 5+ years to make their games compatible on a new OS?
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Old 04-02-2013, 14:37
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I will not be buying a PS4 if it is not BC. with both the PS3 and PS2.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:13
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BC would be nice but not the end of the world. I'll keep my PS3 just like I did with my PS2 and PSX, so I'll be able to play them when I want, but usually within 6 months you've no longer any interest (or at least only a passing one) to play previous-gen games.

I was really worried when my wife bought me the 40GB on its launch rather than 60GB as it had no BC but quite frankly I forgot all about it, and it's only been the very occasional trip into GTA SA or more likely monkeyball or some other multiplayer game that's been lacking.

People will say they need the PS3 for trade-in, I don't get that at all. You get, what, 100 for it, if that? Save up! Skip two or three drinking sessions over the next 6 months! It's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things. If you can't save 80 or something over a long period of time you probably shouldn't be spending 300 on a new games machine in the first place.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:48
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lets not forget SONY acquired Gaikai last year and likelihood is (as PS4 will not have BC with PSX / 2 / 3 games, this service will be in place for game streaming of old titles.

Not sure Sony will piss off a user base that large spending that much cash they won't let them have access to their older games purchased for previous consoles digitally.
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Old 06-02-2013, 16:01
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lets not forget SONY acquired Gaikai last year and likelihood is (as PS4 will not have BC with PSX / 2 / 3 games, this service will be in place for game streaming of old titles.

Not sure Sony will piss off a user base that large spending that much cash they won't let them have access to their older games purchased for previous consoles digitally.
I am sure they will argue this is the solution but the truth is that the service, and most home internet, I'd not up to streaming PS3 games at the moment.
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Old 06-02-2013, 19:04
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I am sure they will argue this is the solution but the truth is that the service, and most home internet, I'd not up to streaming PS3 games at the moment.
It actually exceeds. The average connection in the UK now is fairly 'decent'. 6-7mbps. More than enough to stream games in a very high quality.

Problem comes with households not having just one person in it.

You'll want to stream a game, the wife might want to stream Eastenders that she missed on her laptop whilst your kid is in their room jacking it to Pornhub.

Then, your gaming experience would suffer.

Also, I don't see them offering Gaikai to everyone at launch. I think it will be limited to PS+ only.
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Old 06-02-2013, 20:56
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Gaikai was bought by Sony for a reason. I think B/C will absolute happen but not in the way many are thinking, I can see it being a cloud based service imho. It's tough for Sony since they will almost certainly be abandoning the Cell architecture for the PS4.
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Old 06-02-2013, 22:39
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I will not be buying a PS4 if it is not BC. with both the PS3 and PS2.
Why did you get a PS3 when it wasn't BC with PS2?

If you PS3 was BC then why do you still have a PS2?
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Old 06-02-2013, 23:29
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Why did you get a PS3 when it wasn't BC with PS2?

If you PS3 was BC then why do you still have a PS2?
I doubt many people play PS2 games anyway. At least not for very long/often. Certainly not enough for it to warrant the huge cost to put it in the console.
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Old 07-02-2013, 14:15
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Why did you get a PS3 when it wasn't BC with PS2?

If you PS3 was BC then why do you still have a PS2?
I had a PS2 whose laser failed,

I brought a 60gb PS3 which YLOD

I brought a slim PS3 to replace the 60gb,
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Old 07-02-2013, 21:37
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I doubt many people play PS2 games anyway. At least not for very long/often. Certainly not enough for it to warrant the huge cost to put it in the console.
A lot of people are put off partly because they look so rough on a HD screen via emulation. PS3 games obviously won't suffer that problem since they were design for them, and then there's the issue of trophy support. I guarantee more people would play PS2 games if they supported them.

It may not seem like a big thing but this is difference we're talking about, which is why with the continuation of our Gamertags, Trophies and PSN games (I mean the XBLA-like stuff) it's something people will no doubt want to do on the new console rather than start again fresh from the beginning. We've come a little bit too far in the generation to do that this time around I think.
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Old 13-02-2013, 20:00
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