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IanFergus
11-05-2013
"the deal will allow BT to continue to show a host of US sports currently shown on ESPN America, including College Basketball, College Football and NASCAR."

No mention of baseball.
Gray77
11-05-2013
Any mooted studio audience idea is flawed and will end up being rubbish IMO. It has two major issues,

1. Only the fans of the two teams playing should really be given that much opportunity to interact and play a part in the show. But why should people care about the thoughts of people who would rather watch their team in a BT studio than at the ground or at their local?

2. It's always going to be London based. If we have Chelsea v Spurs then it's not a huge problem, but for most Northern teams its just going to be London fans of those teams 'speaking for' their clubs, which is not remotely relevant. I think ITV or ESPN tried a studio show and they ended up spending 5 minutes to a cockney United fan who was an absolute moron. This is what we'd get every week, with John from Croydon speaking for Liverpool and Bill from Clapham talking about United, or 'Manyoo' as Southerners like to call them. It has awful TV written all over it.
TrinitronHD
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“ould we see an issue raised with the Advertising Standards Authority about BT's use of the word 'free' with regard to BT Sport? After all, it's not really 'free', is it? It's actually 'at no extra cost'.”

BT have a long track record of interpreting 'free' very loosely. (Sky and others are not that much better). Their advertising is very good at highlighting the headline offers and hiding the true cost in small print.

Bottom line is that I don't trust them to not increase prices once they get this established.
JSemple3
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“"the deal will allow BT to continue to show a host of US sports currently shown on ESPN America, including College Basketball, College Football and NASCAR."

No mention of baseball.”

They showing baseball on their promo. They wouldn't show it for nothing
JSemple3
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by TrinitronHD:
“BT have a long track record of interpreting 'free' very loosely. (Sky and others are not that much better). Their advertising is very good at highlighting the headline offers and hiding the true cost in small print.

Bottom line is that I don't trust them to not increase prices once they get this established.”

Of course they going to increase prices at 1 point. What company hasn't?
bottleofbest
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Not really. It's fine for entry-level sports fans, but as has been said before, you aren't saving much by switching your broadband from another provider to BT just to get 'free' BT Sport.

I doubt BT Sport will remain 'free' after the first year anyway. It certainly won't be free if they're still around to see the start of the next cycle of PL rights.

If BT and Sky go toe-to-toe for the next set of rights, then we, as consumers, will start to reep the 'rewards' of this battle. Yes, 'rewards' was meant to be sarcastic.”

No evidence whatsoever that they are going to start charging for anything other than HD after the year. Bt has no plans to charge for BT sport.

If they win the cycle of next PL rights they could still absorb the cost like they have done this time and expect a great uptake of their broadband.

No one expected BT to offer it free to Sky tv customers if they take broadband, people only expected it to be free if btvision or Youview was taken as well.

BT clearly expect the broadband subs and any advertising revenue made from this venture to subsidise the cost of the sports.
gs1
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by suffolkblue:
“No as if your not a bt broadband customer its going to cost more now to watch the same stuff.”

BT Broadband customers= approx 6.7 million, and BT claimed a 51% share of DSL and fibre (excluding cable) net additions in the year to 31/3/13 (per http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...a-1dc5179507ed)

So it can't be overlooked in my view, there's a very large number of consumers who have already chosen BT Broadband as their isp and will now benefit from the inclusion of BT Sport.

TV sport cannot always be retailed in a manner that suits Sky TV customers who "want the lot" best.
promo-only
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by bottleofbest:
“No evidence whatsoever that they are going to start charging for anything other than HD after the year. Bt has no plans to charge for BT sport.

If they win the cycle of next PL rights they could still absorb the cost like they have done this time and expect a great uptake of their broadband.

No one expected BT to offer it free to Sky tv customers if they take broadband, people only expected it to be free if btvision or Youview was taken as well.

BT clearly expect the broadband subs and any advertising revenue made from this venture to subsidise the cost of the sports.”

That's a very naive take on things. IF BT won Champions League, Football League, continued with the FA Cup and Europa League coverage beyond the current cycle and won the lions share of Premier League league rights next time around... to think that they'd not introduce an additional charge is absurd.

That would put BT in a different league entirely to what they're in now. IMO this free offer is just to get their foot in the door... and a very good little plan it is too!
THOMO
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“That's a very naive take on things. IF BT won Champions League, Football League, continued with the FA Cup and Europa League coverage beyond the current cycle and won the lions share of Premier League league rights next time around... to think that they'd not introduce an additional charge is absurd.

That would put BT in a different league entirely to what they're in now. IMO this free offer is just to get their foot in the door... and a very good little plan it is too!”

But Sky will be ready for them the next time, as this time no one knew they where bidding and took everyone by surprise.
Ian.
promo-only
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“But Sky will be ready for them the next time, as this time no one knew they where bidding and took everyone by surprise.
Ian.”

I completely agree that their cover has been blown so it's a different thing going in to the next auction. I was just referring to a complete worst case if this did happen scenario.
bottleofbest
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“That's a very naive take on things. IF BT won Champions League, Football League, continued with the FA Cup and Europa League coverage beyond the current cycle and won the lions share of Premier League league rights next time around... to think that they'd not introduce an additional charge is absurd.

That would put BT in a different league entirely to what they're in now. IMO this free offer is just to get their foot in the door... and a very good little plan it is too!”

Just going by what BT have said in articles etc. There is no current plan to start charging for sport, yet they have made it clear that they will start charging for HD after a year.

I understand what your saying, but just this time last week who would of expected BT to offer their channels free even to Sky tv customers when taking BT broadband? I certainly never and got a shock!

If they do go up if they secure the best rights for the PL when they next come up, I certainly wouldn't expect BT to charge the same levels as Sky currently do.
They want to make the broadband attractive and have decided to do this through sport.
At the moment they are managing to keep it free and whilst swallowing up sports rights costs, the acquisition of ESPN and also actually setting up a broadcasting company and studio which must be extremely expensive in itself.

I would expect that if BT were to secure the main EPL rights next time round, then they won't be hoovering up the same amount of rights that they currently have which will save money.

If I am proved wrong in the future I will eat my hat.
sparkie70
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by bottleofbest:
“No evidence whatsoever that they are going to start charging for anything other than HD after the year. Bt has no plans to charge for BT sport.

If they win the cycle of next PL rights they could still absorb the cost like they have done this time and expect a great uptake of their broadband.

No one expected BT to offer it free to Sky tv customers if they take broadband, people only expected it to be free if btvision or Youview was taken as well.

BT clearly expect the broadband subs and any advertising revenue made from this venture to subsidise the cost of the sports.”

I doubt it in the long run. Its possible they might just increase HD but I bet by 2014-15 season you will pay for it.
bottleofbest
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“But Sky will be ready for them the next time, as this time no one knew they where bidding and took everyone by surprise.
Ian.”

In the first round of bidding, the highest bid is announced regardless, so even if Sky were caught unawares this time they still knew the figure that had been submitted by BT, just not by whom so upped their bid significantly to counteract it.

It will interesting to see what happens next time.
By this point BT will know if the BT sports free offer paid off, they will have many more people on Infinity and their Youview platform will have grown too. They would feel more comfortable about bidding more next time due to no set up fee's etc as the buildings, studios etc will be in place.

Sky will also need to have a hard look at it's figures and up it's bid as well, because they know full well that they will have big competition next time round. But if revenue falls to due to the loss of BB customers will Sky be able to afford to do so? Their main growth is their bb. Tv has become quite stagnant.

We can only guess really. I fully expect Sky and BT to both go in guns blazing and the only real winner will be the EPL.
bottleofbest
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by sparkie70:
“I doubt it in the long run. Its possible they might just increase HD but I bet by 2014-15 season you will pay for it.”

How happy do you expect their customers to be when they suddenly have to start paying for something they got for free? BT bb will suddenly not look as attractive as it did and people will leave again. This is the last thing BT wants, BB is their bread and butter.
sparkie70
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by bottleofbest:
“How happy do you expect their customers to be when they suddenly have to start paying for something they got for free? BT bb will suddenly not look as attractive as it did and people will leave again. This is the last thing BT wants, BB is their bread and butter.”

Lets say they just increase HD next year which they might do but lets remember the bidding process starts all over again & it would not surprise me if £5 billion will be spend by BT & SKY jointly.
Someone has to pay for it so it will be the pubs & clubs or customers or both.

Not saying its a bad deal & I am thinking about it but I doubt it will be free in a few years.
VisionMan1
11-05-2013
This article has already been posted once, but just in case anyone missed it -

BT Sport: what you will pay

Quote:
“Is this just a one-year deal or will I have to pay next season?

BT says it has no plans to charge for sports next season, but the free HD offer will end after a year. After that, customers who want to continue with HD will pay £3 a month. The company has Premier League football rights for three years and the rugby rights for four years.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2013...t-what-you-pay
Brekkie
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“ESPN running an ad for their coverage next season during their FA Cup coverage this morning and directing viewers towards this website,

http://tv.espn.co.uk/gb/espl/espn-ne...n-next-season/”

They seem to answer every question with the same answer - ESPN continues till 31st July then it'll be operated by BT. Seems the only way to ensure your subscription is cancelled is to cancel it.
bottleofbest
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“This article has already been posted once, but just in case anyone missed it -

BT Sport: what you will pay



http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2013...t-what-you-pay”

Thanks for the link Visionman1 as usual
DragonQ
11-05-2013
It is a bit annoying that BT are continuing the tradition of having a premium charge for HD. We really should be moving away from that by now, not adding to it.
Brekkie
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“This article has already been posted once, but just in case anyone missed it -

BT Sport: what you will pay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2013...t-what-you-pay”

So Sky viewers with BT get to watch it on their TV for free, but Freeview folk have to pay.
DragonQ
11-05-2013
Well that's a limit of technology. If your box doesn't have a smart card or conditional IPTV access, how can they possibly deliver BT Sport to your TV? Also, Freeview users can still use the online service so don't have to pay if they don't want to.

I, and others, have wondered why BT Sport couldn't feature on Freesat boxes equipped with <free time> via IPTV. I guess it's because the software is not equipped for conditional access live TV...if so it's a shame they didn't have the forward-thinking to add this, as YouView did.
1andrew1
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“So Sky viewers with BT get to watch it on their TV for free, but Freeview folk have to pay.”

If you've got a YouView box then there is no £5 charge. And if you pay the £5 charge for 12 months then you've got a top-of-the-range HD PVR with the key catch-up services on it for £60. After which the £5pm charge ends,

Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“Well that's a limit of technology. If your box doesn't have a smart card or conditional IPTV access, how can they possibly deliver BT Sport to your TV?”

All modern TVs above 19 inches have to have a CAM slot so it would be possible technically for most Freeview TVs to decode the DTT channels but BT is not promising to use DTT forever, it's more an interim solution.

Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“ I, and others, have wondered why BT Sport couldn't feature on Freesat boxes equipped with <free time> via IPTV. I guess it's because the software is not equipped for conditional access live TV...if so it's a shame they didn't have the forward-thinking to add this, as YouView did.”

The BBC Trust allowed the BBC to invest in Freesat for the provision of free live tv channelsand for on-demand services to be charged. This does not include the provision of paid-for linear channels and I don't think the BBC requested this. Otherwise, Freesat could be seen to be using taxpayers' money to compete with the commercial pay-tv platforms of Sky and cable.
d'@ve
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“If you've got a YouView box then there is no £5 charge. And if you pay the £5 charge for 12 months then you've got a top-of-the-range HD PVR with the key catch-up services on it for £60. After which the £5pm charge ends”

The true cost for new BT TV customers with no Youview box already (even BT broadband customers) is £109 in the first year, because of the £49 fee disguised as a "connection charge". So not as good a bargain as you might think. For new BT Infinity customers, there's another connection charge according to The Guardian, £30... and £6.95 for the homehub so £145.95 up front for those entirely new to BT TV and Infinity.

I'm not saying that it's not a good deal, just that it all needs to be factored in (and I can't guarantee that I've picked up everything). A cost is a cost, whatever it's notionally charged for, and it will put some people off. Well over £100 up front will be unattractive to many of "the masses", we do need to keep all this talk about free channels in perspective.
gomezz
11-05-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“All modern TVs above 19 inches have to have a CAM slot so it would be possible technically for most Freeview TVs to decode the DTT channels but BT is not promising to use DTT forever, it's more an interim solution.”

A similar situation holds for Freesat too. My Freesat box has a CAM slot so supports conditional access that BT could have chosen to use rather than go with Sky's proprietary system.
casinoman13
11-05-2013
I see Ian Darke can be heard on the preview BT Channels.

I'm pretty sure after tonight's big fight we will not hear him anymore for Sky.
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