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If one wanted the up coming live Sky Sports channels on Now TV then YouView just wouldn't be an option. And thats the way YouView want it.
As YouView didn't really design YouView to make it easy to access the live Sky content. A user would be far better just subscribing directly with Sky, if they wanted such. And such users are not YouViews real target market, anyway. But could you also answer my second question please: Is there something else that you would get via NowTV on YouView that you would not get subscribing directly to NowTV (non YouView)? If so, what is it? |
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Sure, thanks for that.
But could you also answer my second question please: Is there something else that you would get via NowTV on YouView that you would not get subscribing directly to NowTV (non YouView)? If so, what is it? 'Hi Houghton1986 Thanks for your post regarding Youview. Due to certain restrictions, Youview can not have specific options added to its service, live TV is one of those restrictions so unfortunately, it will not be getting added.' Regards Igor NOW TV Team ------------------- http://community.nowtv.com/t5/Xbox-3...iew/td-p/29600 |
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No, there isn't actually.
I must say that I'm therefore completely baffled as to what the issue is. If NowTV (non YouView) has everything that is on YouView then the fact that to get Sky Sports on NowTV means you have to go the NowTV (non YouView) route is surely completely irrelevant. It's a bit like saying if you want to walk into a building you have to go through the left hand door and can't use the right hand door. If there is no other advantage from using the right hand door then there is no loss by being forced to use the left hand door. But if the right hand door had some other advantage then it would be a different matter. |
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OK, many thanks.
I must say that I'm therefore completely baffled as to what the issue is. If NowTV (non YouView) has everything that is on YouView then the fact that to get Sky Sports on NowTV means you have to go the NowTV (non YouView) route is surely completely irrelevant. It's a bit like saying if you want to walk into a building you have to go through the left hand door and can't use the right hand door. If there is no other advantage from using the right hand door then there is no loss by being forced to use the left hand door. But if the right hand door had some other advantage then it would be a different matter. But as live Sky Sports will be available on so many other boxes, it won't really be an issue for Now TV YouView users either. |
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Exactly.
But as live Sky Sports will be available on so many other boxes, it won't really be an issue for YouView users either. |
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There are also responses from Now TV employees that read:
“I completely understand where you are coming from, however there are no plans to change the YouView situation in the immediate future in regards to Live Tv or price. However we are always looking at improving NOWTV in the long term and hope we can make place where all users will recieve the complete benifit of the service.” But that one gets continually passed over in order to suit the argument being put forward and to me, the wording there insinuates that this is not an open and closed case. |
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As YouView didn't really design YouView to make it easy to access the live Sky content. A user would be far better just subscribing directly with Sky, if they wanted such. And such users are not YouViews real target market, anyway. And £56 a month for unlimited broadband, 24/7 calls and Sky Sports 1-4 and F1 is a price Sky can't beat. (if you want sport without the basic channels). |
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There are also responses from Now TV employees that read:
“I completely understand where you are coming from, however there are no plans to change the YouView situation in the immediate future in regards to Live Tv or price. However we are always looking at improving NOWTV in the long term and hope we can make place where all users will recieve the complete benifit of the service.” But that one gets continually passed over in order to suit the argument being put forward and to me, the wording there insinuates that this is not an open and closed case. Fact. “However we are always looking at improving NOWTV in the long term and hope we can make place where all users will recieve the complete benifit of the service.” Spin. And benifit is spelt benefit. |
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But TalkTalk offers live Sky channels on its YouView service.
And £56 a month for unlimited broadband, 24/7 calls and Sky Sports 1-4 and F1 is a price Sky can't beat. (if you want sport without the basic channels). Contrary to what other posters would like people to believe, YouView has no agenda, and certainly not against Sky. It's designed to over the Freeview fundamentals as well as a range of both paid for and free third party apps. The whole aim was to provide core services to anybody with a broadband connection and then everything else for people who wanted to dip in and out. If there was such a conspiracy against Sky then there would be no Sky channels available via the TalkTalk offering. |
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“I completely understand where you are coming from, however there are no plans to change the YouView situation in the immediate future in regards to Live Tv or price.“
Fact. “However we are always looking at improving NOWTV in the long term and hope we can make place where all users will recieve the complete benifit of the service.” Spin. And benifit is spelt benefit. Listen - we know what's fact and what's fiction. We can also use our eyes to see the factual part of "in the immediate future" as opposed to the non existent use of "never". Now unless you've got anything else to add, I've had quite enough of you to last me a lifetime. |
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If there was such a conspiracy against Sky then there would be no Sky channels available via the TalkTalk offering. |
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But TalkTalk offers live Sky channels on its YouView service.
And £56 a month for unlimited broadband, 24/7 calls and Sky Sports 1-4 and F1 is a price Sky can't beat. (if you want sport without the basic channels). TalkTalk already offer the full suite of the Sky Sports channels on YouView. And it is expected BT will follow, offering SS 1&2. But both BT and TT are stakeholder partners in YouView. Sky are not. So why would YouView BT and TT invite a third party onto their own platform to offer a rival service for what they offer? Well, the truth is, they wouldn't. |
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I misspelt a word because I'm on my phone, is that ok with you, you nasty person? How dare you say such a thing yet it's fine for you to say what you want?
Listen - we know what's fact and what's fiction. We can also use our eyes to see the factual part of "in the immediate future" as opposed to the non existent use of "never". Now unless you've got anything else to add, I've had quite enough of you to last me a lifetime. 'And benifit is spelt benefit.' I was talking about the Sky Mod, not you. |
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But TalkTalk offers live Sky channels on its YouView service.
And £56 a month for unlimited broadband, 24/7 calls and Sky Sports 1-4 and F1 is a price Sky can't beat. (if you want sport without the basic channels). That's how I'd do it anyway, if I was part of the Youview consortium, I'd limit Live channels to BBC, ITV, 4, 5, BT and TT. |
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True, but isn't it simply a case of Youview partners being the only people who will be licensed to broadcast Live Channels? 3rd party app suppliers like Sky's Now TV may be excluded from Live channels, even if they are technically possible, so that those who are developing and paying for Youview can (rightly IMO) maintain an advantage?
That's how I'd do it anyway, if I was part of the Youview consortium, I'd limit Live channels to BBC, ITV, 4, 5, BT and TT. |
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Bingo! I was waiting for someone to post this. And you've hit the nail right on the head, derek. And there are business reasons involved here.
TalkTalk already offer the full suite of the Sky Sports channels on YouView. And it is expected BT will follow, offering SS 1&2. But both BT and TT are stakeholder partners in YouView. Sky are not. So why would YouView BT and TT invite a third party onto their own platform to offer a rival service for what they offer? Well, the truth is, they wouldn't. Still no similar deals with BT and they may end up with just the statutory SS1&2 and none of the Sky entertainment channels.. Sky are of course will hope that TalkTalk get the lion's share of YouView customers rather than their big rival BT and they're helping with this by weakening the BT proposition. Perhaps they're eyeing an acquisition in the future? |
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OK, many thanks.
I must say that I'm therefore completely baffled as to what the issue is. If NowTV (non YouView) has everything that is on YouView then the fact that to get Sky Sports on NowTV means you have to go the NowTV (non YouView) route is surely completely irrelevant. It's a bit like saying if you want to walk into a building you have to go through the left hand door and can't use the right hand door. If there is no other advantage from using the right hand door then there is no loss by being forced to use the left hand door. But if the right hand door had some other advantage then it would be a different matter. The other related aspect is non-ISP live IPTV channels. They currently sit in the Freeview HD EPG and are supplied through Arqiva's Connect TV arm. YouView currently can't support these but a future software upgrade will support them. My points are: 1) Was it a deliberate YouView policy to exclude these channels from its EPG as Connect TV originally had no ownership links to YouView's shareholders? (Connect TV has only been owned by YouView shareholder Arqiva since September 2012). Or was it for non-commercial reasons? 2) What is to stop Sky from buying Connect TV capacity for its Now TV services unless the matter is a commercial one as suggested by Derek 500? |
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I first raised this issue a month back on another thread, as I had spotted Now TV's statement about no live channels on YouView on their own forum. I was disappointed to see that Now TV would not be offering pay-sport via YouView but would through other platforms.
The other related aspect is non-ISP live IPTV channels. They currently sit in the Freeview HD EPG and are supplied through Arqiva's Connect TV arm. YouView currently can't support these but a future software upgrade will support them. My points are: 1) Was it a deliberate YouView policy to exclude these channels from its EPG as Connect TV originally had no ownership links to YouView's shareholders? (Connect TV has only been owned by YouView shareholder Arqiva since September 2012). Or was it for non-commercial reasons? 2) What is to stop Sky from buying Connect TV capacity for its Now TV services unless the matter is a commercial one as suggested by Derek 500? Sky Now TV over DTT IP? Thats something I hadn't even considered before. Which lead me to consider the following too - BT are fully expected to pull Sky Sports 1&2 off DTT shortly after they go IP live. But what if they don't? And, further to this, what if besides IP delivery, they also begin broadcasting the new BT Sport channel over DTT too? (Possibly on the ESPN slot, if they withdraw from the UK market?) That would be a totally unexpected move. |
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I am a BT customer and have been for a number of years. I know how they present their products and then how the actual products look.
You are not a BT customer and so know no such thing. But thanks for asking. And whilst I'm at it don't you tell me what I can and can't say on this forum. How dare you. My thoughts are my own and I will say them. And, via the YouView platform, the only two providers of both Sky and BT Sport will be BT and TalkTalk. There will be, via Now TV, no live sports and no live channels on the YouView platform. And it's Sky that said that, not me. |
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Probably something and nothing but just noticed that BT have removed the MLS logo from their website (definitely there the other day) and replaced it with a 'Top 14' rugby logo. Further down it now just says "Hundreds of top-flight football matches from Italy, France and Brazil" and not the US as well.
Any ideas? https://www.btsport.com |
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Probably something and nothing but just noticed that BT have removed the MLS logo from their website (definitely there the other day) and replaced it with a 'Top 14' rugby logo. Further down it now just says "Hundreds of top-flight football matches from Italy, France and Brazil" and not the US as well.
Any ideas? https://www.btsport.com |
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Well spotted! If you could trade sporting rights I would suggest BT has traded MLS with ESPN in return for the FA Cup and Europa and of course writing a cheque for the difference. But I think some form of collaboration could be happening between the two companies, what form it will take is unknown.
http://liveonsat.com/LJ__soccer_americas_MLS.php LA Galaxy-Chicago Fire will be on ESPN so could be a bit confusing if BT Sport also claimed they were showing games from this league? |
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Could be related to the MLS season starting on ESPN? As per the link below:
http://liveonsat.com/LJ__soccer_americas_MLS.php LA Galaxy-Chicago Fire will be on ESPN so could be a bit confusing if BT Sport also claimed they were showing games from this league? |
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This seems most likely, and it does show the pitfalls in starting a channel and advertising comps that the channel cannot actually show until half way through those seasons. MLS, Brasilian league etc will all be shown elsewhere (or not at all) for the first half of the season then BT will pick them up in the second half. It just makes it annoying for people who actually follow those leagues. The same may happen if BT buy stuff like MLB and the NRL.
If you were to go down the avenue of it being confusing for people, then the same rule would apply to any and all of their advertised signings. |
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I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that. If this was the case, then they wouldn't be advertising anything. BT are currently showing logos for Top 14, Ligue 1, Aviva Premiership, Barclays Premier League, Serie A and the Brazilian league - all of which they're not currently showing / are being shown elsewhere.
If you were to go down the avenue of it being confusing for people, then the same rule would apply to any and all of their advertised signings. On a side note, did I miss the 'Top 14' deal as I don't remember that being announced? |
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