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1andrew1
22-02-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“Well spotted! If you could trade sporting rights I would suggest BT has traded MLS with ESPN in return for the FA Cup and Europa and of course writing a cheque for the difference. But I think some form of collaboration could be happening between the two companies, what form it will take is unknown.”

The only other reason I can think off is if MLS has strict branding rules and will not allow companies to use its logo in certain circumstances. As an American organisation, they are probably used to operating in a more legally-constrained environment than the other bodies.
1andrew1
22-02-2013
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“ On a side note, did I miss the 'Top 14' deal as I don't remember that being announced?”

It was announced at the time time as the Aviva Premiership deal in September 2012 and that got the headlines.
mlt11
23-02-2013
Latest per Sale:

"BT Sport are expected to strengthen their position greatly in the forthcoming battle with Sky for TV subscription and broadband supremacy by taking over the UK operation of ESPN.

This would see the ESPN sports output - including rights for the FA Cup, Europa League, Scottish football and the Bundesliga - being shown on the BT platform from next season as one of three planned sports channels............

An ESPN staff meeting has been called for 9am on Tuesday with the promise of a major announcement."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2LgILXg20
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VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Latest per Sale:

"BT Sport are expected to strengthen their position greatly in the forthcoming battle with Sky for TV subscription and broadband supremacy by taking over the UK operation of ESPN.

This would see the ESPN sports output - including rights for the FA Cup, Europa League, Scottish football and the Bundesliga - being shown on the BT platform from next season as one of three planned sports channels............

An ESPN staff meeting has been called for 9am on Tuesday with the promise of a major announcement."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2LgILXg20
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook”

Three channels? No there won't. Mind you, it is the Daily Mail.
Ragnarok
23-02-2013
if that's true that's good news, They then have Ray Stubbs for the big games, and a decent set of pundits. Who needs Jake Humphrey.

Still arguably the best presenter they could of got is probably John Dykes from Premier League TV.
loyalsince
23-02-2013
Although negotiations have not been concluded, BT have signalled that they will do a deal with Sky.

http://www.bathrugby.com/news/club-n...gby-supporters
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by loyalsince:
“Although negotiations have not been concluded, BT have signalled that they will do a deal with Sky.

http://www.bathrugby.com/news/club-n...gby-supporters”

How do you mean, loyalsince, 'they will do a deal with Sky'?
loyalsince
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“How do you mean, loyalsince, 'they will do a deal with Sky'?”

By showing BT on satelite, (Not sure of another main UK satelite provider.)

I have to confess I am not an expert (or even an informed amateur on carriage arrangements), just lazy typing on my part. BT/Sky to come to an arrangement for BT to broadcast their channells on BSKYB may have been better phrasing.
Jaycee Dove
23-02-2013
Was not the latest that BT were likely to allow Virgin to wholesale meaning Virgin could 'give' BT to their customers - whereas Sky customers would be sold BT Sports directly at an added pm charge. If they do take over ESPN it is hard to see that pm charge not being more than Sky customers pay already for ESPN alone.

Also - no mention of ESPN America in these take over reports. Will that be included or are Sky customers going to be faced with the possibility of THREE subs to get everything and a potentially big price increase pm at a time of austerity.

Maybe BT might even like the thought of that in hope it will drive some Sky customers their way.
promo-only
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“The only other reason I can think off is if MLS has strict branding rules and will not allow companies to use its logo in certain circumstances. As an American organisation, they are probably used to operating in a more legally-constrained environment than the other bodies.”

I do think it's odd whatever the motive. Part of me wonders if it was part of some deal to transfer MLS to ESPN America while BT take FA Cup, Europa League etc from the main ESPN channel.

Complete guess work though... don't think we have too much longer to wait before more details filter through though.
mlt11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by loyalsince:
“Although negotiations have not been concluded, BT have signalled that they will do a deal with Sky.

http://www.bathrugby.com/news/club-n...gby-supporters”

All that letter says is it will be on satellite.

I realise that in practice it means the "Sky system" but it doesn't necessarily mean a "deal" with Sky.

BT could retail BT Sport directly on the Sky system - ie in order to subscribe the customer rings BT and pays BT directly. Completely separate to a Sky subscription.

Sky can't stop BT doing this as it is an open platform so there wouldn't need to be a "deal" in that sense with Sky.

But BT would still have to pay Sky EPG fees and, much more significantly, conditional access charges.
bottleofbest
23-02-2013
I really hope this BT sports channel works and doesn't become another Setanta and ESPN with a short shelf life.

I really hope BT spend the big money and finally give Sky have some real competition.

Quite an exciting time.
smc81
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by bottleofbest:
“I really hope this BT sports channel works and doesn't become another Setanta and ESPN with a short shelf life.

I really hope BT spend the big money and finally give Sky have some real competition.

Quite an exciting time.”

See it sounds great in theory - Bt spend big money, Sky spend big money and the rights get split but at the end of the day the only person who ends up paying big money is the consumer. All the costs these companies incur are simply going to be passed on. Having multiple companies get exclusive rights has been a disaster for the consumer but they try to portray it as positive since now we have 'choice'. In reality the only 'choice' we have is to pay two bills or miss half the content.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by smc81:
“See it sounds great in theory - Bt spend big money, Sky spend big money and the rights get split but at the end of the day the only person who ends up paying big money is the consumer. All the costs these companies incur are simply going to be passed on. Having multiple companies get exclusive rights has been a disaster for the consumer but they try to portray it as positive since now we have 'choice'. In reality the only 'choice' we have is to pay two bills or miss half the content.”

Yes - how dare other companies enter an open auction and win some rights. The ********s!
d'@ve
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by smc81:
“See it sounds great in theory - Bt spend big money, Sky spend big money and the rights get split but at the end of the day the only person who ends up paying big money is the consumer. All the costs these companies incur are simply going to be passed on. Having multiple companies get exclusive rights has been a disaster for the consumer but they try to portray it as positive since now we have 'choice'. In reality the only 'choice' we have is to pay two bills or miss half the content.”

In the short term you may be right but in the long term, true competition should be good for consumers. If they have bid too high and charge too much, subscriber numbers will disappoint, profits will be below expectations, and when they bid next time round they will have to bid less or lose money.

An extreme example is the auctioning for 3G and 4G mobile phone spectrum, they all bid way over the top for 3G and for 4G, have had to drop their bidding way down (though other factors are in play here too, of course).
THOMO
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by bottleofbest:
“I really hope this BT sports channel works and doesn't become another Setanta and ESPN with a short shelf life.

I really hope BT spend the big money and finally give Sky have some real competition.

Quite an exciting time.”

Don't forget ITV Sports channel that had the Football League rights on ITV Digital formerly On Digital and they went bust and that was before Setanta.
Ian.
jackjones76
23-02-2013
Well spoke to a couple of the guys at ESPN I know....they've not been asked or emailed about a meeting at all.... But they reckon the BT deal is pretty much nailed on and done.
promo-only
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“If they have bid too high and charge too much, subscriber numbers will disappoint, profits will be below expectations, and when they bid next time round they will have to bid less or lose money.”

Just to pick up on this particular point - there is no guarantee that they will bid again. As per BT's own comments, if it works for them and they see the results they were hoping for then great, they'll bid again. If it doesn't have the impact they'd hoped for, they simply drop out.

It will be a very telling 2 years for BT.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“Don't forget ITV Sports channel that had the Football League rights on ITV Digital formerly On Digital and they went bust and that was before Setanta.
Ian.”

That is not relevant to this situation.
d'@ve
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“...there is no guarantee that they will bid again.”

Well yes, I guess not bidding at all is the ultimate example of 'bidding less', if you see what I mean. But if BT have bid too high this time round, Sky probably have done too, so the theory (of lower bids next time) should hold good.
smc81
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“Yes - how dare other companies enter an open auction and win some rights. The ********s!”

I don't care what company gets the rights but the fact that I have to pay two bills to get the same content is crap.The fact that people try to say it is a good thing adds insult to injury. The reality is that since the new bidding rules for sports rights came in my bill for sports tv has increased substantially (but that is great apparently because now I have 'choice') and that is likely to continue since I don't see any way that BT will charge less than ESPN.
THOMO
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“That is not relevant to this situation.”

Yes it is because someone mentioned Setanta and ESPN going bust and I'm mentioning there was a channel before them in ITV Sport that went bust.:
Ian.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“Yes it is because someone mentioned Setanta and ESPN going bust and I'm mentioning there was a channel before them in ITV Sport that went bust.:
Ian.”

ESPN haven't gone bust, THOMO. And what has happened before happened to companies that didn't have a pot to P in. Which is not BT's situation at all. But if its not a success, they'll just withdraw.
d'@ve
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by smc81:
“I don't care what company gets the rights but the fact that I have to pay two bills to get the same content is crap.The fact that people try to say it is a good thing adds insult to injury. The reality is that since the new bidding rules for sports rights came in my bill for sports tv has increased substantially (but that is great apparently because now I have 'choice') and that is likely to continue since I don't see any way that BT will charge less than ESPN.”

Maybe not, but if you look at entire TV packages, a major competitor like BT has an opportunity to offer different channel combinations, some of which may allow users to save money overall and still watch all the sports they are interested in. It's not *only* about sports channels.

Don't forget, Sky have that huge basic £21.50 subscription hurdle before you can even get near any Sports package. BT may do it differently; I hope they do but we shall have to wait and see.
promo-only
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Well yes, I guess not bidding at all is the ultimate example of 'bidding less', if you see what I mean. But if BT have bid too high this time round, Sky probably have done too, so the theory (of lower bids next time) should hold good.”

Ha, yes I guess so!

Even if it does go to plan for them, it'll be very interesting to see how it pans out in future tenders. The sums paid domestically can't continue to rise as dramatically as this every 3 year period should Sky, BT... or A.N.other decide to go all out on them. Surely there has to come a point when the bubble bursts.
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