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muppetman11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“ESPN haven't gone bust, THOMO. And what has happened before happened to companies that didn't have a pot to P in. Which is not BT's situation at all. But if its not a success, they'll just withdraw.”

The problem for BT is coverage , I live in an area where my exchange serves around 16,000 residential properties , the Exchange is classified as Market 3 but still no date insight even after the recent 99 exchanges announced so I'm guessing that means it will be well after 2014 so basically BT Vision can do what it wants but it won't help me and I'm sure many others are in the same predicament.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by muppetman11:
“The problem for BT is coverage , I live in an area where my exchange serves around 16,000 residential properties , the Exchange is classified as Market 3 but still no date insight even after the recent 99 exchanges announced so I'm guessing that means it will be well after 2014 so basically BT Vision can do what it wants but it won't help me and I'm sure many others are in the same predicament.”

No, actually. BT will make the Sports channel/s as widely available as possible and to any platform that wants to show it. So one won't have to subscribe to BT BB to get the new content, it will be available elsewhere too.
packerbully
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“No, actually. BT will make the Sports channel/s as widely available as possible and to any platform that wants to show it. So one won't have to subscribe to BT BB to get the new content, it will be available elsewhere too.”

Exactly.... We can't even get BT here so they will be on Sat.
muppetman11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“No, actually. BT will make the Sports channel/s as widely available as possible and to any platform that wants to show it. So one won't have to subscribe to BT BB to get the new content, it will be available elsewhere too.”

Which is ok for the sports channel but not the uptake of their Vision TV service.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by muppetman11:
“Which is ok for the sports channel but not the uptake of their Vision TV service.”

But this thread is about the new sports channel and not the BTVision service, lol. And one won't need BTVision to get the new channel as it should be available on all platforms, if carriage agreements can be made.
muppetman11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by VisionMan1:
“But this thread is about the new sports channel and not the BTVision service, lol. And one won't need BTVision to get the new channel as it should be available on all platforms, if carriage agreements can be made.”

Agreed however BT spent all this money on sport to increase take up of its Vision service , increase triple play and sell more fibre connections yet too date there are still many who have no access and possibly will still not when this deal expires , the success of BT Sports is directly linked with the takeup of these services whether its available on other platforms or not. In no way am I anti BT in fact I wish them all the luck however they need to ramp up the fibre roll out further for this to be a major success.
VisionMan1
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by muppetman11:
“Agreed however BT spent all this money on sport to increase take up of its Vision service , increase triple play and sell more fibre connections yet too date there are still many who have no access and possibly will still not when this deal expires , the success of BT Sports is directly linked with the takeup of these services whether its available on other platforms or not. In no way am I anti BT in fact I wish them all the luck however they need to ramp up the fibre roll out further for this to be a major success.”

Aren't you negative?

And again, no. As by the time this current deal expires, fibre will be available to the majority of UK BB users, not minority. But of course this is just a side issue to the main topic of the thread. But if you'd like to continue this BB discussion, I will gladly continue it over on the BB forum. Of which there is already a debate.
Igloo_Man
23-02-2013
As this is highly relevant to the BT Sports Channel, I thought I'd copy a post from Darren Lethem in the Georgie Thompson thread here as well:

Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Joining BT Sport

http://f1paddock.biz/2013/02/georgie...medium=twitter”

Not sure where she fits in. Perhaps BT plan to have Jake and Georgie present their football coverage together, or maybe even have Georgie pitchside similarly to Rebecca Lowe's role on ESPN.

If the latter is the case, I have to wonder why she would jump ship from Sky... probably a case of money talks.
Darren Lethem
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Igloo_Man:
“As this is highly relevant to the BT Sports Channel, I thought I'd copy a post from Darren Lethem in the Georgie Thompson thread here as well:



Not sure where she fits in. Perhaps BT plan to have Jake and Georgie present their football coverage together, or maybe even have Georgie pitchside similarly to Rebecca Lowe's role on ESPN.

If the latter is the case, I have to wonder why she would jump ship from Sky... probably a case of money talks.”

I was wondering which role. I cannot see her doing anything other than host of some sporting action to be honest
Igloo_Man
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I was wondering which role. I cannot see her doing anything other than host of some sporting action to be honest”

I agree. Otherwise it would be a step down for her. Unless she's getting a very large pay rise of course.

I'm currently picturing Jake and Georgie presenting the PL coverage together, with Georgie crossing the studio to use the 'BT-pad' at intervals for tactics talk. It could work, but only if they're going to present from an off-site studio in the same vein as MNF on Sky.

However, I remain unconvinced that BT needed Georgie at all. I'm more interested now in who they will rope in as pundits. Carragher remains the favourite in my eyes.
mlt11
23-02-2013
Two presenters in a studio plus someone on site doing interviews etc is surely too much for football.

The 2nd presenter just wouldn't have enough of a role.

I'd say it's most likely she will be the pitchside reporter - ie doing interviews etc.

I guess a long shot could be rugby union presenter but not aware she has any experience in that area.
Igloo_Man
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Two presenters in a studio plus someone on site doing interviews etc is surely too much for football.

The 2nd presenter just wouldn't have enough of a role.

I'd say it's most likely she will be the pitchside reporter - ie doing interviews etc.

I guess a long shot could be rugby union presenter but not aware she has any experience in that area.”

I wondered about the rugby gig, and she had no background in F1 prior to last year, so it's possible. However the intricacies of rugby union as opposed to F1 may make that particular transition a long shot.

I just don't see the benefit to her of being a pitchside reporter (apart from no longer having the tiring task of travelling around the world, although by all accounts she's enjoyed that anyway )
derek500
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
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I guess a long shot could be rugby union presenter but not aware she has any experience in that area.”

What about the WTA tennis?

Quote:
“Thompson was educated at Queenswood School with now fellow television presenter and friend Natalie Pinkham, where she took part in junior international tennis competitions”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgie_Thompson
mlt11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“What about the WTA tennis?”

Very good point - that would make excellent sense.

All I would say is the WTA tennis will be pretty low profile so does it really need as big a name as Georgie? But obviously she could help raise its profile.
ariusuk
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Very good point - that would make excellent sense.

All I would say is the WTA tennis will be pretty low profile so does it really need as big a name as Georgie? But obviously she could help raise its profile.”

What about the US Open?
mlt11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“What about the US Open?”

Yes - another good point!!!
mlt11
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“What about the US Open?”

Fascinating few auctions coming up in the next few months.

In approx order of importance:

- EC / WC qualifiers (starts Aug 2014)
- England friendlies / FA Cup (starts Aug 2014)
- ATP tennis (starts Jan 2014)
- US Open tennis (starts Aug 2013)
- Moto GP (starts Jan 2014)

+ a few others I may have forgotten though nothing huge I don't think.

Is BT going to buy them all (+ acquire ESPN)? If it does that's going to mean committing quite a lot more funding at this early stage.

I wonder just how much more they want to commit at this stage - given that the really, really big ones will be further down the line - ie CL from 2015, PL from 2016.
fodg09
23-02-2013
From Georgie's point of view, she never really got the best workload at Sky when you consider her profile. I dare suggest if she was a male presenter she would have been in contention for a bigger role, such as presenting the main F1 coverage rather than a bit part roll and the F1 Show gig. She knows her stuff, is a good presenter and was by far and away one of the strongest on SSN.

I think the tennis would be a good fit for her and a great get for BT - the viewing figures will be negligible but perhaps they have grander plans for her than Sky could offer.

On the ESPN front, I could be missing something but it seems like a very short term investment from BT. Essentially schedule filling. Would it not be better to just bid for the individual rights when they become available? Even if they do buy ESPN UK, the FA Cup rights will still go for tender later this year/early next year and will presumably be very high on Sky's priority list (perhaps just after the UEFA Euro Qualifiers). The only other really attractive rights in ESPN's portfolio is the Bundesliga, which will obviously have a heightened profile in the UK next season, but is it worth the hassle of acquiring the whole network?
ep1987
23-02-2013
Sky could be in trouble if customers have to pay three separate subs on their platform (SS, BT/ESPN, ESPNA) to recieve all the sports compared to only one with BT/Virgin (SS with the other two subsidised in a pack).
ariusuk
24-02-2013
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“On the ESPN front, I could be missing something but it seems like a very short term investment from BT. Essentially schedule filling. Would it not be better to just bid for the individual rights when they become available? Even if they do buy ESPN UK, the FA Cup rights will still go for tender later this year/early next year and will presumably be very high on Sky's priority list (perhaps just after the UEFA Euro Qualifiers). The only other really attractive rights in ESPN's portfolio is the Bundesliga, which will obviously have a heightened profile in the UK next season, but is it worth the hassle of acquiring the whole network?”

The EPG numbers are far more valuable than any of the rights.
VisionMan1
24-02-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“The EPG numbers are far more valuable than any of the rights.”

Forgive my ignorance - why is that important?
jackjones76
24-02-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“The EPG numbers are far more valuable than any of the rights.”

Sorry, why so....? Those ESPN epg numbers don't set the world alight.

A wondering if there's more to this than a simple content purchase....look at staffing, ESPN 'help' for BT Sport, access to ESPN 'S global machine....
jimbo
24-02-2013
Originally Posted by ep1987:
“Sky could be in trouble if customers have to pay three separate subs on their platform (SS, BT/ESPN, ESPNA) to recieve all the sports compared to only one with BT/Virgin (SS with the other two subsidised in a pack).”

There are no fewer than 5 including BT.

Sky, ESPN, BT, Premier Sports and Box Nation.

So as there are curently 4, a fifth one will probably make no difference. Is there a rule about that?
ep1987
24-02-2013
Forgot about Premier Sports, but they are a minor player.

Boxnation doesn't count, just like MUTV, Chelsea TV and Racing UK.
ariusuk
24-02-2013
Originally Posted by jackjones76:
“Sorry, why so....? Those ESPN epg numbers don't set the world alight.”

They don't compared to Sky Sports or Eurosport, but they are much lower than the 445-448 that BT would currently get.

Casual viewers, browsing from 401 upwards, may find that 417 is the first showing something that interests them, particularly if they don't subscribe to Sky Sports.

The chance of them reaching 445 before finding something to watch is much much lower.

Quote:
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A wondering if there's more to this than a simple content purchase....look at staffing, ESPN 'help' for BT Sport, access to ESPN 'S global machine....”

As I've said before, the number of people ESPN employs in UK broadcasting roles is negligible - all of their production is outsourced. In addition, BT is also outsourcing its production, so they don't want staff either.

So it's either about rights or EPG slots.
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