[bryemycaz]

I say was rather than is as he is now taking a sabbatical and he is getting over a injury which has stopped him playing them.

However Its a fact that people think of him as a dodgy singer who Fax'es divorce papers. Which is unfair and untrue, only the other day I took great pleasure when hearing someone slag him off by saying. "I only like the Peter Gabriel Genesis, when Collins joined and replaced him I immediatly hated it".

I pointed out that A who was drumming on the majority of PG albums, they did not know about drummers only interested in the singers. B rather than dismissing all the Colllins albums maybe they should listen to the first two released after PG left. They are of a similar style and are excellent.

I think that Phil does get a rough deal sometimes, his drumming skills were excellent and Genesis would never have made it without him.

[Soupietwist]

No problem with his drumming, he is one of the best. However his music is utter dirge, and yes in my opinion that includes 'Face Value' and all the other three 80's albums. Thankfully I haven't been subjected to his more recent material!

[BluesTrainRadio]

I've always disliked his solo material but loved much of what he did in Genesis. Los Endos proves what a great drummer he is/was.

[RikScot]

Originally Posted by bryemycaz

I pointed out that A who was drumming on the majority of PG albums,
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He was only on PG3...and not all of it. Did a good job though...

[bryemycaz]

Originally Posted by RikScot

He was only on PG3...and not all of it. Did a good job though...

sorry i ment the PG era Genesis albums. As i said this clown I was talking too did not know that Phil was the Drummer before becoming the Singer.

[Tal'shiar]

I guess it all depends on what you mean by good. Phil isnt a very technical drummer, and he is light years behind other drummers in skill in his era, and not even worth a mention by todays standards.

BUT, and its a big but (my fav), he is a good songwriter. Like Kurt Cobain, and the guitarist from Blink 182, Phil was a song writer who also happened to be a musician instead of just a vocalist. Its a common trait that the vocalist is the main song writer, so people just assume any singer is the writer.

But yeah, he could lay down a good chop, and despite some really shakey periods, he has proven his skills in the song writing department.

[RikScot]

Originally Posted by bryemycaz

sorry i ment the PG era Genesis albums. As i said this clown I was talking too did not know that Phil was the Drummer before becoming the Singer.

No worries...I hated the way he once described his work with Genesis as 'juvenile'

Talk about biting the hand! ;-)

[maninthequeue]

I think a lot people forget just how prolific he was in the 1980s, not only his very successful solo career & with Genesis but he produced and drummed on a load of 1980s singles such as:

Band Aid - Do They Know Its Christmas; Adam Ant - Puss N Boots; Tears For Fears - Woman In Chains; Howard Jones - No One Is To Blame; Philip Bailey - The Chinese Wall; Eric Clapton - Bad Love; Frida - I Know There's Something Going On ... as well as playing drums on album tracks by Peter Gabriel; Brian Eno; Brand X; Mike Oldfield; John Martyn; Paul McCartney & Tina Turner; and was the mainstay drummer at numerous Princes Trust Gigs.

His greatest achievement is his gated drum sound first heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzUh_H7yV0

[Cloudbuster]

In the 80's it seemed to be so trendy to like him but his songs were just tripe

[robo2]

in the air tonight, easy lover , ssudio, against all odds, one more night, two hearts, another day in paradise, i wish it would rain down are all classic 80's songs, his genesis stuff is also great, he was pretty crap after the early 90's but most artists churn out junk after 20 years making music, elton john , the rolling stones etc were also crap after 20 years, he has become the person that people who dont know much about music can say is crap in the way people say the same about coldplay in the last decade

[CoreenBaconskin]

His lounge suit stuff just became progressively more cheesier but Mama by Genesis was amazing - especially that horrible laugh in the middle which gave me the willies when I heard it on the radio as a nipper!

[royllsroyce]

anyone can be a drummer your just hitting something with a stick to make a rythem.

[silentNate]

People never forget that he left his wife by fax though

[FrankBT]

If we're talking about Phil's first wife, it was she that was two-timing him. Their marriage was in trouble by the late 70s and I don't think fax machines were around then.

Phil was a great drummer, highly regarded across the musical spectrum, which is why so many musicians were happy to use him for session work or produce their albums. Personally I didn't care for his solo work. It seems the $ signs were gleaming brightly in his eyes, and he became more interested in earning a fast buck than creating anything of musical worth. But there were a few gems amongst the dross, most notably In The Air Tonight, One More Night. Two Hearts etc

[Flat Matt]

Good drummer, but a thoroughly unpleasant and arrogant man.

I remember watching him on Ten Of The Best on VH1 a few years ago. For anyone who doesn't know, this was a show where famous musicians would list their ten favourite tracks.

Phil Collins picked one of his own fcuking songs!

Not only is he an arrogant bastard - his taste in music is shit!

[Glawster2002]

Originally Posted by Tal'shiar

I guess it all depends on what you mean by good. Phil isnt a very technical drummer, and he is light years behind other drummers in skill in his era, and not even worth a mention by todays standards.

BUT, and its a big but (my fav), he is a good songwriter. Like Kurt Cobain, and the guitarist from Blink 182, Phil was a song writer who also happened to be a musician instead of just a vocalist. Its a common trait that the vocalist is the main song writer, so people just assume any singer is the writer.

But yeah, he could lay down a good chop, and despite some really shakey periods, he has proven his skills in the song writing department.

But then being technically proficient at something doesn't automatically mean you are "good". Music is about emotion as much as anything else and if you can convey that emotion in your playing to an audience that comes across far more than pure technical ability.

Originally Posted by royllsroyce

anyone can be a drummer your just hitting something with a stick to make a rythem.

I think you'll find there's a little bit more to it than that is you wish to make a career out of it......

Apart from that it is amazing just how many people are unable to clap in time to a simple rhythm so based on that I wouldn't say anyone could do it.

[widger]

Originally Posted by royllsroyce

anyone can be a drummer your just hitting something with a stick to make a rythem.

Post of the year!

By the way it's you're and rhythm.

You're not a bass player by any chance, are you?

[RikScot]

Originally Posted by maninthequeue

His greatest achievement is his gated drum sound first heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzUh_H7yV0

That's 'cos Peter took his cymbals off him

[gold2040]

Originally Posted by royllsroyce

anyone can be a drummer your just hitting something with a stick to make a rythem.

herp derp derp herp