[jackbell]

Why not just stop recording? She might change her mind in a few months. It's all very odd.

[degsyhufc]

To get her mentioned so people will buy her albums

[O.Michel]

She hasn't retired completely. She's still planning to tour and perform occasionally, but she's not going to make any more albums, which makes perfect sense since her last successful album was 10 years ago.

[shackfan]

Because who the hell would buy her stuff now?

[Makson]

Toni has to be the most underrated diva ever
Secrets is a wonderful album.

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Makson

Toni has to be the most underrated diva ever
Secrets is a wonderful album.

That's her own fault for not making good business decisions and going broke....twice. The same thing would have happened to TLC but they had broken up before finances could be blamed for their downfall. People forget the music industry is a business and when you don't write anything or sell like Whitney, you better have a good business sense and amazing lawyers.

[Makson]

Originally Posted by sjp07

That's her own fault for not making good business decisions and going broke....twice. The same thing would have happened to TLC but they had broken up before finances could be blamed for their downfall. People forget the music industry is a business and when you don't write anything or sell like Whitney, you better have a good business sense and amazing lawyers.

TLC would still be at the top of the game today if Lisa was alive.

[Bungitin]

Frank Sinatra and his 'final retirement' tours.

[Hav_mor91]

Originally Posted by sjp07

That's her own fault for not making good business decisions and going broke....twice. The same thing would have happened to TLC but they had broken up before finances could be blamed for their downfall. People forget the music industry is a business and when you don't write anything or sell like Whitney, you better have a good business sense and amazing lawyers.

No offense using Whitney who spent vast swathes of money i mean millions on drugs is not the basis of a good argument. Toni and her sold similarly well whitney just had better people taking care of her money and business as who knows what really was going on behind the scenes

That aside i like her first two albums but Secrets and underrated classic of the 90's. It's a great testament to her and her talent and something she failed to capture on later releases so good luck in all she does but it's no major dent to music. But am going to miss that voice.

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Hav_mor91

No offense using Whitney who spent vast swathes of money i mean millions on drugs is not the basis of a good argument. Toni and her sold similarly well whitney just had better people taking care of her money and business as who knows what really was going on behind the scenes

That aside i like her first two albums but Secrets and underrated classic of the 90's. It's a great testament to her and her talent and something she failed to capture on later releases so good luck in all she does but it's no major dent to music. But am going to miss that voice.

Whitney out sold Toni by millions with every record even before she died. That's why I used her as an example. Toni
signed a record deal with a label that had a screwed people over years before she got there. It was never a secret. Out of all of the artists LaFace has represented over the years only 3 are still superstars and the ones that only signed to LaFace and nowhere else, went broke. The rest left or made it as producers.

[Servalan]

Originally Posted by sjp07

That's her own fault for not making good business decisions and going broke....twice. The same thing would have happened to TLC but they had broken up before finances could be blamed for their downfall. People forget the music industry is a business and when you don't write anything or sell like Whitney, you better have a good business sense and amazing lawyers.

And TLC and Braxton were both signed to La Face. Which rather says a lot ...

I don't blame Braxton for giving up. She may not have written her own songs - but she's hardly unique in that respect, and at least she could actually sing without Autotune, which is more than can be said for about 90 percent of the female 'artists' now clagging up the charts ...

[Hav_mor91]

Originally Posted by sjp07

Whitney out sold Toni by millions with every record even before she died. That's why I used her as an example. Toni
signed a record deal with a label that had a screwed people over years before she got there. It was never a secret. Out of all of the artists LaFace has represented over the years only 3 are still superstars and the ones that only signed to LaFace and nowhere else, went broke. The rest left or made it as producers.

Yes but Toni still sold millions too. And as for bad business decisions okay perhaps but also the label itself had a hand to play in that too. What it comes down too badly represented and bad record label Vs good record label and having Clive Davies back you regardless.

Also just out of curiosity i know P!nk was signed to Laface what about now ?

[Scratchy7929]

This is why >>> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/ente...ng_record.html

Extract :-
In fact, since the 2000s, Braxton, who became synonymous with 90s pop, has been shedding listeners by the millions, so that now she's played mostly in oldies stations like Baltimore's Magic 95.9, where she's one of its core artists.

"Toni's no longer hip," says Tim Watts, a DJ at the station. "She's basically an adult contemporary artist now. The 35 to 50 bracket is now where her audience is." At a station where Luther Vandross (dead) and Anita Baker (53) are the No. 1 and No. 2 most-played artists, the 43-year-old Severn native is in the top ten, Watts says.

Like many of her 90s contemporaries - Janet Jackson, Boys II Men, Whitney Houston - Braxton's at a generational impasse.

"There's a bunch of them that I could mention that are caught between the hip hop crowd and older audiences,"

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Cannot really explain why someone like Emeli Sandé is so successful though - her music is in a similar sphere.Perhaps she has age on her side (Braxton is 45, Sande is 25).Sande is getting much more radio / media attention mainly due to the fact she is a fresher face on the block.Musically is there much difference between them though ??? Not having heard Braxton's 2010 stuff I'm not that qualified to answer.Having heard Sandé - (IMO) her album mainly is pretty mediocre Adult Contemporary (as well ??) which probably is also suitable for - 'oldies stations like Baltimore's Magic 95.9'

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Hav_mor91

Yes but Toni still sold millions too. And as for bad business decisions okay perhaps but also the label itself had a hand to play in that too. What it comes down too badly represented and bad record label Vs good record label and having Clive Davies back you regardless.

Also just out of curiosity i know P!nk was signed to Laface what about now ?

she records with RCA, now. she might still have a side deal with laface, though. her, cee-lo, and usher are the only ones to still have huge recording careers from laface. cee-lo never actually released anything with laface's name on it. he works with Elektra now and both pink and usher are working with RCA right now. Usher still definitely works with LaFace, though.

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Servalan

And TLC and Braxton were both signed to La Face. Which rather says a lot ...

I don't blame Braxton for giving up. She may not have written her own songs - but she's hardly unique in that respect, and at least she could actually sing without Autotune, which is more than can be said for about 90 percent of the female 'artists' now clagging up the charts ...

that's always something that is given brownie points, now, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesnt matter. the female artists today that can sing better than their peers typically arent doing as well as a katy perry or rihanna because that isnt what matters anymore. all that seems to matter is if a song is catchy and fun.

[Hav_mor91]

Originally Posted by sjp07

she records with RCA, now. she might still have a side deal with laface, though. her, cee-lo, and usher are the only ones to still have huge recording careers from laface. cee-lo never actually released anything with laface's name on it. he works with Elektra now and both pink and usher are working with RCA right now. Usher still definitely works with LaFace, though.

Thanks i remember her and her troubles with the label so was unsure whether she had any affiliation left with them .

Also to the other poster it is an age thing with Toni women unfortunately have a harder time staying relevant and selling Madonna the only exception and Kylie i can think of in terms of pop. The same thing is happening to Mariah her last serious hit was coming up to 5 years ago 7 in terms of major impact but yet she still tries to appeal to a young audience. I Think Toni could have a successful career of sorts still if she embraced where she is now and catered to her core audience and perhaps a little cross over successs too.

[Hav_mor91]

Originally Posted by sjp07

that's always something that is given brownie points, now, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesnt matter. the female artists today that can sing better than their peers typically arent doing as well as a katy perry or rihanna because that isnt what matters anymore. all that seems to matter is if a song is catchy and fun.

Ironically though people give Katy a hard time but more so than others she writes and creates the bulk of her own material holding her in a better position than artist like Toni. If all else dries up she can create hits for others and earns alot more money too.

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Hav_mor91

Ironically though people give Katy a hard time but more so than others she writes and creates the bulk of her own material holding her in a better position than artist like Toni. If all else dries up she can create hits for others and earns alot more money too.

i think it's a balance. for example, katy wrote i do not hook up, but kelly is a far superior singer than katy and maybe the song would have done well if she sang it herself, but why settle when you could have a better voice bringing life to your words? i admire song writers who give their songs to someone they know can do better with the vocals. like james fauntleroy. he wanted to be a singer, but he's a better songwriter and without him, a lot of popular songs of the few years wouldnt exist.

don't get me wrong, if they can do both, do both, but sometimes people should choose. sort of like chris brown wanting to be a dancer and singer. he cant do both well at the same time, so instead of lip synching, just be a dancer, or dont dance. not everyone is meant to do both like someone like beyonce can. bieber has the exact same issue, except he cant dance at all so he really should just give it up.

[Hav_mor91]

Originally Posted by sjp07

i think it's a balance. for example, katy wrote i do not hook up, but kelly is a far superior singer than katy and maybe the song would have done well if she sang it herself, but why settle when you could have a better voice bringing life to your words? i admire song writers who give their songs to someone they know can do better with the vocals. like james fauntleroy. he wanted to be a singer, but he's a better songwriter and without him, a lot of popular songs of the few years wouldnt exist.

don't get me wrong, if they can do both, do both, but sometimes people should choose. sort of like chris brown wanting to be a dancer and singer. he cant do both well at the same time, so instead of lip synching, just be a dancer, or dont dance. not everyone is meant to do both like someone like beyonce can. bieber has the exact same issue, except he cant dance at all so he really should just give it up.

But then again Katy does have a great voice earlier recordings and video's of her more than prove that people are quick to jump on the auto tune bandwaggon. And also Katy like or loathe her has more of a persona and a package you hear Katy you know it's her and then you have the video and performance to back it up=$$$$$. People like Kelly and Toni rely on a voice without offering much else or evolving in anyway. The key to longevity is not talent talnet alon will not do it thats why Madonna is still her that's why to an extent the likes of Britney are still here and toni is not.

[gpk]

Originally Posted by sjp07

she records with RCA, now. she might still have a side deal with laface, though. her, cee-lo, and usher are the only ones to still have huge recording careers from laface. cee-lo never actually released anything with laface's name on it. he works with Elektra now and both pink and usher are working with RCA right now. Usher still definitely works with LaFace, though.

laface was disbanded in 2011 into rca records.

[Scratchy7929]

Originally Posted by sjp07

arent doing as well as a katy perry or rihanna because that isnt what matters anymore. all that seems to matter is if a song is catchy and fun.

Like Emile Sande & Adele ?? Fun ?? - Two of the biggest selling singles & especially album selling artist's around at the moment.Would regard both above as Adult Contempory artist's just like Toni Braxton - so no, what you say is incorrect.

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by O.Michel

She hasn't retired completely. She's still planning to tour and perform occasionally, but she's not going to make any more albums, which makes perfect sense since her last successful album was 10 years ago.

Her last US top ten album was in 2010 (Pulse) and five years before that she went to no. 4 in the US with Libra.

Good job I do my own research.

[Scratchy7929]

Originally Posted by Hav_mor91

thats why Madonna is still here

Didn't Madonna's recent album struggle to sell - despite alot of promo - American football final half-time show etc. (made up a little by giving the album away with ticket's to her shows).Just saying .In many way Madonna is facing similar dilemma's to Braxton.There's no reason why Braxton can't still have a successful live career as well, based on nostalgia for her her older hits.Isn't Madonna basically a Nostalgia act now - still a very big one though.

Edit - just listened to a bit of Braxton's Pulse album.It's remarkably similar to Emile Sande recent album.Why is Sande selling & Brraxton isn't quite selling so well - that's a more relevant discussion.Not comparing someone like Katy Perry with her - totally different areas of music.

Why is Toni Braxton being written off as non-relevent, when Sande releases a very similar album to Braxton's last effort and is seen as very relevent.Don't get it myself really.Do people actually listen to the music any more ??

[Scratchy7929]

Originally Posted by shackfan

Because who the hell would buy her stuff now?

Who the hell is buying the Emile Sande album.Listen to Braxton's album 'Pulse' & then listen to Sande's debut album - is there much difference in style / quality ??

Both albums are available to listen to on Spotify

[sjp07]

Originally Posted by Makson

TLC would still be at the top of the game today if Lisa was alive.

TLC had broken up before she died. She didnt want to be in the group anymore. She let it all out in the video she made when she went to Honduras. The crash she was in is in the video as well. It's called The Last Days Of Lefteye.