Digital Spy

Search Digital Spy
 

DS Forums

 
 

Millions set to flood Britain in 2014


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-03-2013, 11:07
occy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sussex
Posts: 23,044

Police are seeking the right to Industrial action after an historic vote.

http://news.sky.com/story/1059734/po...ight-to-strike

___________

The Police are not allowed to strike. What does everyone think? Who would look after and police the country? Army can take over from the Fire Brigade if they do.
occy is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 04-03-2013, 11:11
David Tee
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 16,016
Absolutely not.

However, they need far better and independent arbitration than is the case currently.
David Tee is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:13
wallster
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 16,589
Police are seeking the right to Industrial action after an historic vote.

http://news.sky.com/story/1059734/po...ight-to-strike

___________

The Police are not allowed to strike. What does everyone think? Who would look after and police the country? Army can take over from the Fire Brigade if they do.
No Government would grant such a right. If the police don't like their lot, they should look for other work.
wallster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:15
Cryolemon
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Newark, Notts, UK
Posts: 5,867
They should have the same employment rights as everyone else, not that any government would give them that. Not enough members voted for them to take this further anyway.
Cryolemon is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:26
occy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sussex
Posts: 23,044
The Government would need to change Primary legislations which would need to go from House Of Commons to Lords. This would take time. A starting officer gets 19K now compared to 23k. There was arguments previous with Fire Officers having extra jobs. Why should someone have an extra job. People join the force cause they are interested in Law and Order not for pay, but should be rewarded for their hard work they do.
occy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:27
Aftershow
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,045
Police Federation officials said 20% cuts to policing and "attacks" on pensions, pay and conditions have sparked "unprecedented discontent and low morale".
Apparently not enough to get them to bother voting though.
Aftershow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:33
occy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sussex
Posts: 23,044
Some join the police force not to strike or vote for that.
occy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 11:56
occy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sussex
Posts: 23,044
Most Officers just want to get on with doing the job. Also Most who join are not effected with the industrial disputes. It's all the ones who have been there for years. This political team at present won't change the way they are trying to rip the police apart. No law will make them strike.
occy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 12:11
Exiledchiller
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,088
No Government would grant such a right. If the police don't like their lot, they should look for other work.
It costs 16 k to train 1 police officer with something like 135k officers

That's 2295000000 worth of trained officers you simply tell them if you don't like it do one

Not that I wannt the police to strike, but to replace one of those officers costs alot so it's not a good idea saying do one
Exiledchiller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 12:43
Clarisse76
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,246
I'd grant them the right to strike so long as they do it on a nice warm sunny Sunday conducive to riding a motorbike
Clarisse76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 13:03
queserasera
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,829
Police are seeking the right to Industrial action after an historic vote.

http://news.sky.com/story/1059734/po...ight-to-strike

.
So historic that more than half couldn't be bothered to vote .............................
queserasera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 13:29
Deep Purple
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Deep Within The Chain Of Evil
Posts: 42,627
Most Police Officers dont want to strike, nor should they be allowed to.

They will know a vote on this is a waste of time, so I doubt many bothered for that reason.
Deep Purple is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 13:32
mackara
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 3,851
I'd grant them the right to strike so long as they do it on a nice warm sunny Sunday conducive to riding a motorbike
If you ever decide to run for an election I would vote for you
mackara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 13:41
solenoid
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 13,531
Arrest them all for their impertinence.
solenoid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 14:37
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
Absolutely not.

However, they need far better and independent arbitration than is the case currently.
Absolutely they should have the right to strike. If you want to turn their pay back 10 years overnight, change the entire rank structure of the organisation and the promotion/development path, change their pension and conditions then this is the price the Government should be willing to pay.

This is what happens when you try to destroy morale in a public service for no other reason than political spite towards the public sector.

Have your cake David, make sure you eat it all.
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 14:43
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
So historic that more than half couldn't be bothered to vote .............................
Well it was the last Tory Government that forced nurses in the RCN to vote to abandon their "no strike" policy.

When you destroy good will in a workforce this is what happens. Any half decent company boardroom could tell you that. 19,000 for new PCs is absolutely insulting, that's what they were earning 10 years ago. 10 years lost pay. The price of a Tory Government.

What's even worse, is that I was speaking to a colleague who is leaving to join the Met soon. The Met no longer pays new PCs during training, they work their first month for nothing, and he's spending the next six months attending a weekly day course before he joins. Again, unpaid. This Government is truly beyond contempt at lengths its prepared to go to cheat people out of an honest days pay.
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 14:45
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
No Government would grant such a right. If the police don't like their lot, they should look for other work.
You might regret that, 19,000 for new PCs is disgustingly low, I expect a massive shortage on new recruits in coming years, especially in areas where the job market is very competitve, and that means the Police will be forced to take on dregs just to make up the numbers.

In London Heathrow Airport is about to embark on a massive recruitment campaign for Terminal 2. 19,000 is pocket money compared to the salaries that will be offered there and LHR has a long history of recruiting Police and ex- armed forces.

Just like they destroyed nursing, so the Tories will destroy the Police. I wonder what Mrs Thatcher would make of it all. If only she was still active in Politics.
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 14:51
cloudymountain
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,685
You might regret that, 19,000 for new PCs is disgustingly low, I expect a massive shortage on new recruits in coming years, especially in areas where the job market is very competitve, and that means the Police will be forced to take on dregs just to make up the numbers.

In London Heathrow Airport is about to embark on a massive recruitment campaign for Terminal 2. 19,000 is pocket money compared to the salaries that will be offered there and LHR has a long history of recruiting Police and ex- armed forces.

Just like they destroyed nursing, so the Tories will destroy the Police. I wonder what Mrs Thatcher would make of it all. If only she was still active in Politics.
I thought there's a hiring freeze?
cloudymountain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 14:55
queserasera
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,829
Well it was the last Tory Government that forced nurses in the RCN to vote to abandon their "no strike" policy.

When you destroy good will in a workforce this is what happens. Any half decent company boardroom could tell you that. 19,000 for new PCs is absolutely insulting, that's what they were earning 10 years ago. 10 years lost pay. The price of a Tory Government.

What's even worse, is that I was speaking to a colleague who is leaving to join the Met soon. The Met no longer pays new PCs during training, they work their first month for nothing, and he's spending the next six months attending a weekly day course before he joins. Again, unpaid. This Government is truly beyond contempt at lengths its prepared to go to cheat people out of an honest days pay.
Of course another way of looking at it is that the majority who decided not to take part in the ballot did so because they are realistic about the difficulties the country is in at the moment and did not want to adopt a "giveme giveme" attitude so prevalent amongst some on this board ...........
queserasera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:08
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
Of course another way of looking at it is that the majority who decided not to take part in the ballot did so because they are realistic about the difficulties the country is in at the moment and did not want to adopt a "giveme giveme" attitude so prevalent amongst some on this board ...........
Yeah why worry about such trivialities as paying your rent?

If the financial position is so bad then why hasn't the Government cut the state pension by 5%? Pensioners account for 45% of the welfare bill and why haven't they made employers take on some of the burden by increasing the minimum wage to a more realistic 7.50 an hour? Welfare for people on low pay accounts for 22.5% of the budget. Amazon et. al. might not pay corporation tax, but that's no reason why they should also benefit from the corporate welfare system too.

This why the austerity BS spouted by the Tory boys just doesn't wash with me. If they actually acknowledged where the real drain on Government finances is and took action to remedy it, I might find it believable. As they don't the only reason I can think of for their actions is a deep seated hatred of the working classes and a nostalgia for society to revert to how it was in the 1930s when the people knew their place, were happy to live 5 in a bed in flea infested slums, and didn't question their masters.
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:13
cloudymountain
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,685
If police can go on strike, then I want the law changed to allow me to conceal or open carry firearms. Only we can protect ourselves.
cloudymountain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:15
queserasera
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,829
Yeah why worry about such trivialities as paying your rent?

If the financial position is so bad then why hasn't the Government cut the state pension by 5%? Pensioners account for 45% of the welfare bill and why haven't they made employers take on some of the burden by increasing the minimum wage to a more realistic 7.50 an hour? Welfare for people on low pay accounts for 22.5% of the budget. Amazon et. al. might not pay corporation tax, but that's no reason why they should also benefit from the corporate welfare system too.

This why the austerity BS spouted by the Tory boys just doesn't wash with me. If they actually acknowledged where the real drain on Government finances is and took action to remedy it, I might find it believable. As they don't the only reason I can think of for their actions is a deep seated hatred of the working classes and a nostalgia for society to revert to how it was in the 1930s when the people knew their place, were happy to live 5 in a bed in flea infested slums, and didn't question their masters.
LOL you do know what the topic of this thread is don't you?

If you want to debate the general malaise I think you should start your own thread not hijack someone else's - who knows perhaps you could include a poll to see who supports your proposal to reduce pensions by 5 per cent ....
queserasera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:20
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
LOL you do know what the topic of this thread is don't you?

If you want to debate the general malaise I think you should start your own thread not hijack someone else's - who knows perhaps you could include a poll to see who supports your proposal to reduce pensions by 5 per cent ....

I wouldn't expect you to understand why this is all linked. Its far to complicated for a Tory to understand as they have no concept of a greater society beyond their own front door. That's why we are in such a mess and will be for years to come.
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:21
Phil 2804
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,662
If police can go on strike, then I want the law changed to allow me to conceal or open carry firearms. Only we can protect ourselves.
Yeah, lets be like America, who needs healthcare when the murder rate quadruples from firearm incidents?
Phil 2804 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 15:21
queserasera
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,829
I wouldn't expect you to understand why this is all linked. Its far to complicated for a Tory to understand as they have no concept of a greater society beyond their own front door. That's why we are in such a mess and will be for years to come.
Well if I see a Tory I'll ask them if they understand it. Is that OK with you ?
queserasera is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:57.