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Old 07-05-2013, 11:08
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My opinion is Global bought GMG for Real, anything else they can keep is a bonus.
Definitely, holding on to the Real stations will be their biggest priority to bring the flagship Heart brand in to South Wales, Northern England and Scotland. Smooth is a nice bonus if they can keep it but isn't as important, Real XS is of no significance whatsoever.
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:56
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Bauer in thier statement said that the London FM frequency was needed if Smooth was sold as a whole operation, so they may be keen on buying it to ensure they are nearer more of a similar size to Global plus Real rebranded to Heart? Guess they danger for Global would be that Bauer will in vest in Smooth and use it to boost Magic to rival Gold or Heart?
The day Global sell an FM licence in London to Bauer will be the day hell freezes over.

There's no way on earth they'd sell an FM licence in the UK's most competitive market to their biggest competitor.

In the extremely unlikely event that they have to get rid of 102.2 in London, they'd sell it to someone who doesn't know what they're doing - just like they did with BRMB.

In fact I'd lay money on Global not selling ANYTHING to Bauer. Real XS is most likely to be sold and while Bauer would no doubt love to turn it into Kerrang or Planet Rock, I would think they'd much prefer to sell it to TeamRock which will be about as big a threat commercially as hospital radio.
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Old 07-05-2013, 12:17
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Bauer in thier statement said that the London FM frequency was needed if Smooth was sold as a whole operation, so they may be keen on buying it to ensure they are nearer more of a similar size to Global plus Real rebranded to Heart? Guess they danger for Global would be that Bauer will in vest in Smooth and use it to boost Magic to rival Gold or Heart?
Bauer would say that though wouldnt they? Just because Bauer have said the FM licence should be sold doesnt mean it will. The CC havent identified it as a licence that needs selling. I cannot see Global offering to sell an FM licence in London if they dont have to and it wouldnt work in Bauer's favour anyway as Global would rather sell to anyone but Bauer.

Remember Global are looking after Global and Bauer are looking after Bauer. Anyone who thinks Bauer's report was about protecting listeners and advertising is living in cloud cuckoo land!
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Old 07-05-2013, 13:38
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In the extremely unlikely event that they have to get rid of 102.2 in London, they'd sell it to someone who doesn't know what they're doing - just like they did with BRMB.
Harsh. But funny.
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Old 07-05-2013, 14:03
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The day Global sell an FM licence in London to Bauer will be the day hell freezes over.

There's no way on earth they'd sell an FM licence in the UK's most competitive market to their biggest competitor.

In the extremely unlikely event that they have to get rid of 102.2 in London, they'd sell it to someone who doesn't know what they're doing - just like they did with BRMB.

In fact I'd lay money on Global not selling ANYTHING to Bauer.
Selling to a 3rd party doesn't prevent the station from ending up in Bauer's hands a few months down the line.
Possibly at a small profit to the 3rd party.

Not sure when the CC's report is due, I know it's been mentioned on here somewhere, but it's bound to be well watered-down on the interim report. So Global will probably hang on to Smooth, and Real with the exception of a token sell-off of a less significant station.

Like the BRMB comment
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Old 07-05-2013, 14:43
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I would say Phil and David know how to run a station
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Old 07-05-2013, 15:05
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Selling to a 3rd party doesn't prevent the station from ending up in Bauer's hands a few months down the line. Possibly at a small profit to the 3rd party.
I suspect there'd be a clause in the sale agreement to ensure that can't happen.

Not sure when the CC's report is due, I know it's been mentioned on here somewhere, but it's bound to be well watered-down on the interim report. So Global will probably hang on to Smooth, and Real with the exception of a token sell-off of a less significant station.
CC report due May 22nd or shortly thereafter I believe. And yes, I think you're right. I predict they'll have to sell off Real XS, the old Marcher Group cluster in North Wales & the Wirral (Heart will replace Real there), maybe one or two of the less important Smooths and possibly Capital in Cardiff (though Ashley won't like that).
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Old 07-05-2013, 15:09
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Next you'll be claiming that Gold only plays 300 tracks...
No I've already said that.. Keep up!!
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Old 07-05-2013, 15:52
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Selling to a 3rd party doesn't prevent the station from ending up in Bauer's hands a few months down the line.
Possibly at a small profit to the 3rd party.
This is similar to the situation on Glasgow where Global may be forced to sell Smooth 105.2, and Bauer being an purchaser with Clyde 2 moved onto FM to become 105.2 Clyde 2.

The obvious appeal of this idea is what makes it unlikely. I would imagine Global would much prefer to sell to some kind of independent local consortium would would try and do a 'stand-alone' service for Glasgow.

Perhaps a clause might be invented in such a sale or sales preventing a sale to Bauer for a set period of time.
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Old 07-05-2013, 17:00
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CC report due May 22nd or shortly thereafter I believe. And yes, I think you're right. I predict they'll have to sell off Real XS, the old Marcher Group cluster in North Wales & the Wirral (Heart will replace Real there), maybe one or two of the less important Smooths and possibly Capital in Cardiff (though Ashley won't like that).
In the interests of fairness, if a station in Scotland has to go at least one will have to go in Wales (and vice versa).

Either both countries will get the "improved devolved nation news service" on Real (Heart) or neither of them.
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Old 07-05-2013, 17:20
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In the interests of fairness, if a station in Scotland has to go at least one will have to go in Wales (and vice versa).
Not necessarily - in Scotland Global has some meaningful local competition in the form of strong, heritage Bauer stations.

In Wales there is no such competition.

That's what the CC's interested in - the effect the takeover will have on the advertising market. The issue of plurality in terms of news is separate and dealt with by Ofcom.
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Old 07-05-2013, 17:32
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Not necessarily - in Scotland Global has some meaningful local competition in the form of strong, heritage Bauer stations.

In Wales there is no such competition.

That's what the CC's interested in - the effect the takeover will have on the advertising market. The issue of plurality in terms of news is separate and dealt with by Ofcom.
The problem is that Ofcom are not able to impose that extra news on Real Wales. The law is clear that if there is a transfer of ownership Ofcom cannot choose to burden the new owners with additional programming costs that the previous owners didn't have to provide.

I think the Welsh Government will be very unhappy if this is the outcome.
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Old 07-05-2013, 18:19
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Whatever happens, I'll think that Global would offload Real XS to Team Rock, Ex-Red Dragon to Orion to rebrand back or go as Free Radio. Possibly Smooth or Capital Scotland (which is in a different part of Glasgow, unlike Smooth/Real) could be sold onto Orion as Galaxy 2.0? Heart and Smooth Scotland have each a different format. I think Money wise, they'll sell off Capital as you'll hear most songs on Heart. (rap excluded) I know that Real Yorkshire is Seperate from Capital 105. But you'd be mad to throw away Smooth Scotland which is only needs a new lick of paint. Plus, it'll prevent 'Clyde 2' from going on FM and Money being spent on moving Capital Scotland (which already has new studio equipment - )
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Old 07-05-2013, 22:28
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I would say Phil and David know how to run a station
I would have said the same at one point but there's plenty of evidence that says otherwise.
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Old 07-05-2013, 22:35
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I think the Smooth brand is too big to lose and probably one of the main reasons Global purchased GMG. So chingan't see any spare FM freqs.

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Don't be so sure. The main reason Global wanted GMG is so that they can extend the Heart brand.

It is true that they won't want to get rid of anything they don't have to and the Smooth stations are large and could do well but they don't all have to be one network, The odd stations here and there could be disposed of and if there are any that don't have a Heart station in the area I'm sure they'd look into the possibility of turning it into Heart if the licence allows of course.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:20
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In the interests of fairness, if a station in Scotland has to go at least one will have to go in Wales (and vice versa).

Either both countries will get the "improved devolved nation news service" on Real (Heart) or neither of them.
No, any decision will be made market by market.

Also, Global won't be able to 'overdeliver' on a selloff in one market to appease the CC re others.

For example, as has been suggested, they can't just sell off Real Yorkshire and and then as a result be more likely to be allowed to keep all their Scottish stations, say.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:01
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How would being on FM be fantastic. It s on DAB in your area, in stereo. The playlist needs a large dose of spice.
DAB, although good in this area, is flaky on the move. Also, not every room has a DAB radio in it, my 70's Beocentre only has FM, and it is on that that I listen most. That's why Gold on 100.4 would be fantastic, David
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:20
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As predicted (I think by Black Label), Ewen and Cat have just tweeted that Real Radio's doing win a car a day next week.

Going out on a high. Good news for the loyal listeners. I can't think of another radio station that's had such a send-off (without it officially being a send-off, if you catch my drift).

Q96 went into life support, was suddenly mentioned in the past tense and changed into a rock station, Beat 106 had a final link tribute on Hogmanay but its demise was not mentioned before, XFM Scotland literally fell off the air. Not sure what happened to Galaxy Scotland mind.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:59
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Don't be so sure. The main reason Global wanted GMG is so that they can extend the Heart brand..
It's certainly going to be interesting. As Global appear to be very brand conscious, I feel the existing Smooth brand is a very high priority for them as well as Heart.

I really hope that Smooth 70s isn't closed down to make way for Gold on the national dab mux. Gold as a digital only station sitting alongside Smooth on FM could well happen.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:26
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[quote=p_c_u_k;65759097]As predicted (I think by Black Label), Ewen and Cat have just tweeted that Real Radio's doing win a car a day next week.

Going out on a high. Good news for the loyal listeners. I can't think of another radio station that's had such a send-off (without it officially being a send-off, if you catch my drift).

Q96 went into life support, was suddenly mentioned in the past tense and changed into a rock station, Beat 106 had a final link tribute on Hogmanay but its demise was not mentioned before, XFM Scotland literally fell off the air. Not sure what happened to Galaxy Scotland mind.[/QUOTEYou mean...

Galaxy did well at the time. question is, why the roll-out was aborted and Capital took over?
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:40
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Global will sell Capital FM in the regions to NRJ, thus satisfying all CC issues except in Wales where the Real Radio North Wales licence will be sold to Nation Radio to expand north on FM.

The rest of the Real network will become Heart, and Smooth will continue albeit from London.

Real XS will be sold to TeamRock.

Probably.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:44
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Galaxy did well at the time. question is, why the roll-out was aborted and Capital took over?
Because they couldn't sell it to London advertisers. And most media groups are based in the capital.

Whatever image it tried to portray, many down south will have seen it as a downmarket northern dance brand.

I'm sure people have said on here before they Ashley Tabor was actually desperate to keep the brand, but they just couldn't make it work.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:38
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Because they couldn't sell it to London advertisers. And most media groups are based in the capital.

Whatever image it tried to portray, many down south will have seen it as a downmarket northern dance brand.

I'm sure people have said on here before they Ashley Tabor was actually desperate to keep the brand, but they just couldn't make it work.
If that was the case, then Smooth London will no doubt be rebranded to Gold FM. Which to me seems likely.

Say if NRJ acquires any of the Capital regions, where will they network the output from? or will it be under franchise agreement with Global?

I could see Galaxy returning in the north if Orion buys 'any' of the Capital regions (unless it's the Ex-Red Dragon region). Plus Global could make money by selling the branding rights. I don't think Phil would rebrand them as Free Radio. Because he was there when Galaxy launched in Yorkshire years ago. Plus he hasn't got a 15-34 year old station in his portfolio, so Galaxy would fit right in there.
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Old 08-05-2013, 13:28
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Global will sell Capital FM in the regions to NRJ, thus satisfying all CC issues except in Wales where the Real Radio North Wales licence will be sold to Nation Radio to expand north on FM.

The rest of the Real network will become Heart, and Smooth will continue albeit from London.

Real XS will be sold to TeamRock.

Probably.
Real XS will go to TeamRock I think that deal may have secretly already been done. However it's just too hard to guess the rest.

I also feel that rather than sell the North Wales Heart stations they will instead sell the Real North Wales licence and probably to Town and County.

I am not convinced there will be a need to sell Capital South Wales, I know everyone thinks its a bang on cert but im not so sure. If they do sell Capital I can't see it being to NRJ, more like Orion. I also think there is no way we will see the Galaxy name return. Global own it and Global will keep it.
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Old 08-05-2013, 13:47
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Real XS will go to TeamRock I think that deal may have secretly already been done. However it's just too hard to guess the rest

I also think there is no way we will see the Galaxy name return. Global own it and Global will keep it.
How long will it take Team Rock to rebrand Real XS? I'm sure Global will have to wait for XS to disappear before Heart starts rolling out.

it may be that they'll sell any Capital regions under a franchise agreement. (Adventure Radio)?

If Orion (however) gets them, first of all they'll see how much Global wants for the (Galaxy) branding and them decide. I'm sure they did this when getting the naming rights for GEM 106? Global would rather earn money from. Besides, they won't be using it anymore.
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