They do though, that's why it was a tongue in cheek post.
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Originally Posted by seibu:
“I didn't enjoy Impact this week, but US ratings were up yet again, doing 691,000 viewers. It's great for wrestling that their viewership on DA is still growing as people discover the show. I do wonder at what point it'll level off. 700k is well over what most were predicting before the move.
Interestingly, Impact on DA this week was only 3,000 viewers short of what Spike was showing in the same slot.”
“I didn't enjoy Impact this week, but US ratings were up yet again, doing 691,000 viewers. It's great for wrestling that their viewership on DA is still growing as people discover the show. I do wonder at what point it'll level off. 700k is well over what most were predicting before the move.
Interestingly, Impact on DA this week was only 3,000 viewers short of what Spike was showing in the same slot.”
To be fair this week was a PPV or what used to be and fans knew Jeff took a crazy bump so tuned in for that.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I think if Velvet did go to WWE she would be shocked at
1) People actually do go to wrestling shows
2) You actually get paid for this.”
“I think if Velvet did go to WWE she would be shocked at
1) People actually do go to wrestling shows
2) You actually get paid for this.”
I don't know what Velvet was making in TNA or what they get paid for autograph shows or indies but I'm willing to bet she makes more money than any of us do in our lives.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I don't know what Velvet was making in TNA or what they get paid for autograph shows or indies but I'm willing to bet she makes more money than any of us do in our lives.”
“I don't know what Velvet was making in TNA or what they get paid for autograph shows or indies but I'm willing to bet she makes more money than any of us do in our lives.”
I'm willing to bet she doesn't.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm willing to bet she doesn't.”
“I'm willing to bet she doesn't.”
I'd sooner trust Heyman to pay me and give me a none bouncy check than Dixie.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I'm willing to bet she does.”
“I'm willing to bet she does.”
And you would lose that bet.
Women in wrestling are notoriously underpaid (particularly those that work for TNA) and broadly speaking most professional wrestlers don't earn anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“And you would lose that bet.
Women in wrestling are notoriously underpaid (particularly those that work for TNA) and broadly speaking most professional wrestlers don't earn anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do.”
“And you would lose that bet.
Women in wrestling are notoriously underpaid (particularly those that work for TNA) and broadly speaking most professional wrestlers don't earn anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do.”
TNA wresters have earned so little they have had to take 2nd jobs in shops ect and have even been eligible for food stamps and in the US that is not easy you have to be dirt poor before that.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“And you would lose that bet.
Women in wrestling are notoriously underpaid (particularly those that work for TNA) and broadly speaking most professional wrestlers don't earn anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do.”
“And you would lose that bet.
Women in wrestling are notoriously underpaid (particularly those that work for TNA) and broadly speaking most professional wrestlers don't earn anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do.”
Considering that a TNA women's champion was having to supplement her income by working in a sunglasses shop when a) the women were the highest rated part of the show and b) TNA was in a far better financial position, doesn't bode well for the claims of Ms. Velvet's wealth.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I don't know what Velvet was making in TNA or what they get paid for autograph shows or indies but I'm willing to bet she makes more money than any of us do in our lives.”
“I don't know what Velvet was making in TNA or what they get paid for autograph shows or indies but I'm willing to bet she makes more money than any of us do in our lives.”
She will be making more money from signings than her actual job as a wrestler which is supposed to be her main job
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Considering that a TNA women's champion was having to supplement her income by working in a sunglasses shop when a) the women were the highest rated part of the show and b) TNA was in a far better financial position, doesn't bode well for the claims of Ms. Velvet's wealth.”
“Considering that a TNA women's champion was having to supplement her income by working in a sunglasses shop when a) the women were the highest rated part of the show and b) TNA was in a far better financial position, doesn't bode well for the claims of Ms. Velvet's wealth.”
On this note was she actually supplementing her income or was she working their for the benefits (like healthcare)? Or perhaps both.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Okay hold on. I have no interest in a NXT vs TNA thing, but TNA have been using multiple venues for years now and always charge wherever they're allowed to. The only place they don't charge is Universal, and that's because they're not allowed to. In comparison, NXT is definitely a free show which tapes in a single venue.”
“Okay hold on. I have no interest in a NXT vs TNA thing, but TNA have been using multiple venues for years now and always charge wherever they're allowed to. The only place they don't charge is Universal, and that's because they're not allowed to. In comparison, NXT is definitely a free show which tapes in a single venue.”
Although that's not true. NXT are now starting to run shows outside of Florida (which have sold well) and today plans were announced for it to become a touring brand albeit on a smaller scale than the main WWE roster. Its also not true to suggest that the NXT roster have no experience performing in front of paid crowds (which is actually what hazy did). Not only do many of them have prior experience working the indies they're also used to supplement the main roster on WWE house shows.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Although that's not true. NXT are now starting to run shows outside of Florida (which have sold well) and today plans were announced for it to become a touring brand albeit on a smaller scale than the main WWE roster. Its also not true to suggest that the NXT roster have no experience performing in front of paid crowds (which is actually what hazy did). Not only do many of them have prior experience working the indies they're also used to supplement the main roster on WWE house shows.”
“Although that's not true. NXT are now starting to run shows outside of Florida (which have sold well) and today plans were announced for it to become a touring brand albeit on a smaller scale than the main WWE roster. Its also not true to suggest that the NXT roster have no experience performing in front of paid crowds (which is actually what hazy did). Not only do many of them have prior experience working the indies they're also used to supplement the main roster on WWE house shows.”
No, it is true. I clearly said NXT only tapes in a single venue. They may do house shows. They may have plans to tape elsewhere. But at the present time they only tape in that single venue.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“No, it is true. I clearly said NXT only tapes in a single venue. They may do house shows. They may have plans to tape elsewhere. But at the present times they only tape in that single venue.”
“No, it is true. I clearly said NXT only tapes in a single venue. They may do house shows. They may have plans to tape elsewhere. But at the present times they only tape in that single venue.”
Which TNA did for years and years.
I wasn't making it TNA vs NXT btw, just pointing out you can't make the point that NXT tape their TV shows in front of a non-paying crowd in a TNA thread, especially when they are going back to a non-paying crowd in a few weeks.
Forgot to say earlier too, glad to see ratings are rising. Hopefully the first runs can hit 600/700k.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“No, it is true. I clearly said NXT only tapes in a single venue. They may do house shows. They may have plans to tape elsewhere. But at the present time they only tape in that single venue.”
“No, it is true. I clearly said NXT only tapes in a single venue. They may do house shows. They may have plans to tape elsewhere. But at the present time they only tape in that single venue.”
You actually said that it was a free show to which I was pointing out that in fact that's not true. The NXT brand is in fact selling tickets and is deemed to now be popular enough that WWE are launching plans to take it on the road.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“You actually said that it was a free show to which I was pointing out that in fact that's not true. The NXT brand is in fact selling tickets and is deemed to now be popular enough that WWE are launching plans to take it on the road.”
“You actually said that it was a free show to which I was pointing out that in fact that's not true. The NXT brand is in fact selling tickets and is deemed to now be popular enough that WWE are launching plans to take it on the road.”
From that I have seen many people say they would be happy to pay to watch NXT and the same people have said they wouldn't go to TNA for free.
I would pay for NXT at a arena or on TV (Look how many people site NXT as a reason they got The Network) but they won't pay to watch TNA or even if they have the channel still don't watch it.
Vince Russo said it best about NXT last night. The people chanting "We're not worthy" before the match even starts says it all about the brand. He never even talked about it.
Grown men and women chanting ""we're not worthy" before a fake wrestling fight? Seriously. Those fans should just get a life in the real world.
They should take it on the road. Lets see how many 18 - 35 year old men go see it.
Grown men and women chanting ""we're not worthy" before a fake wrestling fight? Seriously. Those fans should just get a life in the real world.
They should take it on the road. Lets see how many 18 - 35 year old men go see it.
NXT tours Florida and does well. Their first shows outside of the state have sold out. The chant was tongue in cheek. And Russo is a tool.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“You actually said that it was a free show to which I was pointing out that in fact that's not true. The NXT brand is in fact selling tickets and is deemed to now be popular enough that WWE are launching plans to take it on the road.”
“You actually said that it was a free show to which I was pointing out that in fact that's not true. The NXT brand is in fact selling tickets and is deemed to now be popular enough that WWE are launching plans to take it on the road.”
I think it was pretty clear that I was saying that NXT tapings are free to attend. Which they are, right? Not that that's a bad thing and not that I have any problem with NXT.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“I think it was pretty clear that I was saying that NXT tapings are free to attend. Which they are, right? Not that that's a bad thing and not that I have any problem with NXT.”
“I think it was pretty clear that I was saying that NXT tapings are free to attend. Which they are, right? Not that that's a bad thing and not that I have any problem with NXT.”
I think you need to buy a ticket to attend a nxt show, though they're probably at a similar price point as an indy fed
According to Meltzer there is an amazing interview with Kurt Angle talking about David Schultz & Foxcatcher to be shown on the Saturday Unlocked show the day before the Oscars.
Do we get that show in the UK? Be interested in seeing it.
Do we get that show in the UK? Be interested in seeing it.
I would have a lot more respect for posters like AlexiR if they just admitted that NXT is a smark show, written for a smark audience, comprising a small section of WWE's audience. Instead they proclaim it as the second coming and the future of wrestling, gleefully ignoring the fact half the things they do on NXT, and half the wrestlers they push, would go down like a lead balloon on Monday Night RAW.
NXT is what it is, and it does it very well. But it's just a high-budget indie show with the shackles put on it in terms of what you might see/hear. It's never going to be, nor could it ever be competition for, Monday Night RAW. Take the 'WWE' tag and production off it, put it on Destination America, and you could bet your bottom dollar it's not going to draw anymore viewers than TNA in the same position.
NXT is what it is, and it does it very well. But it's just a high-budget indie show with the shackles put on it in terms of what you might see/hear. It's never going to be, nor could it ever be competition for, Monday Night RAW. Take the 'WWE' tag and production off it, put it on Destination America, and you could bet your bottom dollar it's not going to draw anymore viewers than TNA in the same position.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“I would have a lot more respect for posters like AlexiR if they just admitted that NXT is a smark show, written for a smark audience, comprising a small section of WWE's audience. Instead they proclaim it as the second coming and the future of wrestling, gleefully ignoring the fact half the things they do on NXT, and half the wrestlers they push, would go down like a lead balloon on Monday Night RAW.”
“I would have a lot more respect for posters like AlexiR if they just admitted that NXT is a smark show, written for a smark audience, comprising a small section of WWE's audience. Instead they proclaim it as the second coming and the future of wrestling, gleefully ignoring the fact half the things they do on NXT, and half the wrestlers they push, would go down like a lead balloon on Monday Night RAW.”
Please do show me where I have proclaimed NXT as the “second coming”. In fact I would point out that I'm currently the only person in the WWE thread criticising last nights NXT show.
With that said I would completely disagree with your assertion that half the wrestlers being pushed on NXT wouldn't get over on WWE television. I'd agree that there are some for which that is likely true although I'd also point out that its a development territory for WWE and that nobody is actually suggesting that the entire roster is ready for prime time. There are however a lot of guys on the NXT roster that could easily get over on WWE television if they were given the chance. The key there of course is whether or not they'd get the chance and be correctly positioned but that's true of absolutely any talent regardless of their connection to NXT.
Quote:
“NXT is what it is, and it does it very well. But it's just a high-budget indie show with the shackles put on it in terms of what you might see/hear. It's never going to be, nor could it ever be competition for, Monday Night RAW. Take the 'WWE' tag and production off it, put it on Destination America, and you could bet your bottom dollar it's not going to draw anymore viewers than TNA in the same position.”
“NXT is what it is, and it does it very well. But it's just a high-budget indie show with the shackles put on it in terms of what you might see/hear. It's never going to be, nor could it ever be competition for, Monday Night RAW. Take the 'WWE' tag and production off it, put it on Destination America, and you could bet your bottom dollar it's not going to draw anymore viewers than TNA in the same position.”
Who on earth is suggesting that NXT is or should be competition for Monday Night Raw? This is a ridiculous strawman argument. Its a WWE development league its purpose isn't to compete with Raw. Also this would imply that someone, somewhere thinks TNA can be competition to Raw.
I'd also just point out that this woe is TNA argument rather misses the point that TNA are in a mess of their own making. They were founded nearly 13 years ago and in that time have promoted countless shows and had a television deal with a supportive network that's available in an almost identical number of homes to that of USA Network. That its failed to gain any kind of traction and is now relegated to Destination America is entirely its own fault and the terrible product that it has spent years churning out. That NXT wouldn't draw as well as TNA is hardly a feather in TNA's cap. NXT is a development territory. If that's the new yardstick by which we're supposed to measure TNA by then fine but it doesn't say much about TNA. Its supposed to be the number two company. That it can't gain more traction than a WWE development league isn't good.
And lets also be clear on something NXT isn't gaining traction because its a WWE development league. Its gaining traction because its good.
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