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Old 14-05-2013, 19:52
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Would be Strange if JP just never appeared again, could maybe have him come out, telling the crowd hes got to go for something, just come up with something for him to leave sort a thing.
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Old 15-05-2013, 00:51
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Bad Influence and AA/Roode are my favourite things about TNA right now. Aries and Roode's reaction to being called Bad Influence was priceless
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Old 15-05-2013, 01:01
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Bad Influence and AA/Roode are my favourite things about TNA right now. Aries and Roode's reaction to being called Bad Influence was priceless
TNA has ZERO tolerance for inappropriate behavior. The incident with Austin Aries was taken very seriously and handled immediately.
From Dixie Carter President of TNA Wrestling facebook pages.

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Old 15-05-2013, 01:03
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Yuck what was with the slowness of angle and stings entrance :/
Hogan that slow speeded up.
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Old 15-05-2013, 02:43
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From Dixie Carter President of TNA Wrestling facebook pages.

https://www.facebook.com/TNADixie?hc_location=stream
They're presumably going to have to suspend him at the least, if Hemme decided to sue TNA for sexual harassment somewhere down the line she'd have a strong case.
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Old 15-05-2013, 09:42
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What went on with AA??
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Old 15-05-2013, 13:11
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What went on with AA??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flx9jXo2Ock

Austin Aries corner Christy Hemme and put his his crouch is her face.
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Old 15-05-2013, 20:09
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flx9jXo2Ock

Austin Aries corner Christy Hemme and put his his crouch is her face.
Didn't mean that bit made me laugh, meant their facial expressions as they were coming under the screen
I didn't pay much attention to them in the ring, I just thought he was climbing the ropes and it was a joke but having seen it since I see why it was offensive. I think he was just trying to play the heel but he should have done it verbally rather than corner her.
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Old 15-05-2013, 20:45
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Funny how perving over Velvet Sky et al climbing into the ring is perfectly acceptable, yet play the heel and suggestively place your crotch in front of someone's face and you're hit with corporate outrage.
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Old 16-05-2013, 09:32
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flx9jXo2Ock

Austin Aries corner Christy Hemme and put his his crouch is her face.
Was that it??

That was hardly the worst incident that I have ever seen someone do to someone else.

It was wrong yes, but I don't think that it was really that necessary for Dixie to get her knickers in a twist over it, just have a word backstage.
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Old 16-05-2013, 10:17
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Aries didn't even touch her...and you have Bubba Ray calling fans "fagg*ts" getting away scott free
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Old 16-05-2013, 14:34
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Yeah I think it's an overreaction but I think they would get bigger backlash if they hadn't addressed it.
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Old 16-05-2013, 18:07
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Its the world we live in now. Had the media not jumped all over this non-incident, then you can guarantee that Dixie and the company would have done nothing, and definitely no fine would have occured.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:58
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Well Hemme did complain about it on Twitter and then removed the tweet. Aries shouldn't have done it.

If this had happened in WWE, it would have been a far bigger deal.
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Old 16-05-2013, 21:33
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Brooke Tessmacher grinds her ass in other wrestlers' faces... not harrassment because, presumably, none of the knockouts are gay. ODB grinds her crotch in faces. Ditto. Chris Daniels and Kazarian do the doggy shag move as part of their act. Ditto.

Christy Hemme gets excited when she directs a lingerie knockouts video. She's fine with sexualising women provided it's a means to monatize sexuality. Look, pay, but don't touch.

I've seen TNA live. JB does all the work while all Hemme has to do is be eye candy and call some names. She can't even get that one job right, not even when Bad Influence's music is playing to give her a clue. Why doesn't TNA issue her an informal warning for incompetence?

Aries was acting in character -- heck, the history of wrestling has featured much, much worse. If I'd been Aries I would have told TNA to go screw themselves. Who's more important to the company: one of their stars at the peak of his game, or some eye candy who's acting like a 12 year old? Everything on the TNA stage is an act. Aries did not sexually harrass her in just the same way Aces & Eights haven't sent anyone to hospital, and Kurt Angle didn't stalk Jeff & Karen Jarrett, and so on and so on.

Aries improvised live in response to Hemme's screw-up. You might say his choice displeased some people but it's BS to call it harrassment.

Oh, yeah, Knockouts. Stop grinding your crotch on the ropes and blowing kisses at the camera. You're harrassing the audience.

TNA & Spike execs, stop being hypocrites and grow-up.
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Old 16-05-2013, 22:05
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Brooke Tessmacher grinds her ass in other wrestlers' faces... not harrassment because, presumably, none of the knockouts are gay. ODB grinds her crotch in faces. Ditto. Chris Daniels and Kazarian do the doggy shag move as part of their act. Ditto.

Christy Hemme gets excited when she directs a lingerie knockouts video. She's fine with sexualising women provided it's a means to monatize sexuality. Look, pay, but don't touch.

I've seen TNA live. JB does all the work while all Hemme has to do is be eye candy and call some names. She can't even get that one job right, not even when Bad Influence's music is playing to give her a clue. Why doesn't TNA issue her an informal warning for incompetence?

Aries was acting in character -- heck, the history of wrestling has featured much, much worse. If I'd been Aries I would have told TNA to go screw themselves. Who's more important to the company: one of their stars at the peak of his game, or some eye candy who's acting like a 12 year old? Everything on the TNA stage is an act. Aries did not sexually harrass her in just the same way Aces & Eights haven't sent anyone to hospital, and Kurt Angle didn't stalk Jeff & Karen Jarrett, and so on and so on.

Aries improvised live in response to Hemme's screw-up. You might say his choice displeased some people but it's BS to call it harrassment.

Oh, yeah, Knockouts. Stop grinding your crotch on the ropes and blowing kisses at the camera. You're harrassing the audience.

TNA & Spike execs, stop being hypocrites and grow-up.
Isn't the aspect behind all of this to do with consent?

The grinding on the ropes etc. is done with the consent of the talent. Aries sticking his crotch in Hemme's face wasn't done with her consent.

That's my understanding of it anyway.
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Old 16-05-2013, 22:22
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Isn't the aspect behind all of this to do with consent?

The grinding on the ropes etc. is done with the consent of the talent. Aries sticking his crotch in Hemme's face wasn't done with her consent.

That's my understanding of it anyway.
You make a good point but wrestling is at least 50% improvisation and allowance should be made for "ad libbing". In courts of law, intent is key to proving guilt and for Hemme to claim harrassment is effectively accusing Aries of intending to harrass her, which almost certainly was not the case.

Also my point about the Knockouts is valid. You can't on the one hand attempt to monetize sexuality and make assumptions about your (mostly) male audience, and then cry foul when someone seems to cross the line in a "real" way. Also, take the wider picture of the history and culture of wrestling. Okay, Dixie and Stephanie are women but wrestling is a much harder and more macho world than PC public would like to believe. Hemme made a choice to go into this business with full knowledge of everything that goes on. Aries' action was an accident. For Hemme to pull out the red card shows either naivity or, frankly, a bad attitude toward her colleagues.

Perhaps the lesson for the wrestler is to use corporate spreadsheet language, so when an announcer can't even get his name right on international TV, he should submit a grievance at the work place, seek a formal apology and request compensation. Aries should have grabbed the mic and accused her of lack of competence in the workplace...

Go wrestling!
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Old 18-05-2013, 03:29
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He was a heel getting his heat back after Christy Hemme, who is not a good announcer (and it's not the first time she ****s up Aries' entrance...go watch the video when she announces him and says..."All the way......(long awkward pause because she forgets what she has to say)....IT'S AUSTIN ARIES!!!") made a really stupid mistake. How can that be considered "sexual harassment" is beyond me. He was ad-libbing and getting his heat back "menacing" the announcer, like every heel would have done in his place. If CM Punk was in his position he would have done the exact same thing. This is a non-issue (and TNA saying "we took immediate action" is bullcrap, they waited DAYS to say something and they would have done nothing if this story wasn't blown out of proportions on the web), imho.
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Old 18-05-2013, 12:42
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Also my point about the Knockouts is valid. You can't on the one hand attempt to monetize sexuality and make assumptions about your (mostly) male audience, and then cry foul when someone seems to cross the line in a "real" way. Also, take the wider picture of the history and culture of wrestling. Okay, Dixie and Stephanie are women but wrestling is a much harder and more macho world than PC public would like to believe. Hemme made a choice to go into this business with full knowledge of everything that goes on. Aries' action was an accident. For Hemme to pull out the red card shows either naivity or, frankly, a bad attitude toward her colleagues.

Perhaps the lesson for the wrestler is to use corporate spreadsheet language, so when an announcer can't even get his name right on international TV, he should submit a grievance at the work place, seek a formal apology and request compensation. Aries should have grabbed the mic and accused her of lack of competence in the workplace...

Go wrestling!
He was a heel getting his heat back after Christy Hemme, who is not a good announcer (and it's not the first time she ****s up Aries' entrance...go watch the video when she announces him and says..."All the way......(long awkward pause because she forgets what she has to say)....IT'S AUSTIN ARIES!!!") made a really stupid mistake. How can that be considered "sexual harassment" is beyond me. He was ad-libbing and getting his heat back "menacing" the announcer, like every heel would have done in his place. If CM Punk was in his position he would have done the exact same thing. This is a non-issue (and TNA saying "we took immediate action" is bullcrap, they waited DAYS to say something and they would have done nothing if this story wasn't blown out of proportions on the web), imho.
Aries should have complained to Hemme or grabbed the mic off her and asked her to do it again. He shouldn't have forced her back into the corner and stuck his crotch in her face. He would still get his heel heat but without the putting Hemme in a horrible situation.

I think the story has been blown out of proportion, however there is a wider issue. TNA and the media in general have oversexualised women for years, because they know it gets male attention and helps make them money. It's sad, but the old advertising slogan that sex sells is true.

I have to disagree about the idea that because TNA or any other company sexualise women, that makes it alright to sexually harass them. Those are the kind of arguments often used by people who are in court on rape charges. There is a practical argument not to dress provocatively on a night out to minimise your chance of being sexualily harassed etc, but nothing gives a guy the right to sexual harass a women regardless of how she dresses.
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Old 18-05-2013, 20:26
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Just watched this weeks, can see whats going to happen with AJ and the 8's a mile off.
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Old 20-05-2013, 11:20
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I have to disagree about the idea that because TNA or any other company sexualise women, that makes it alright to sexually harass them. Those are the kind of arguments often used by people who are in court on rape charges. There is a practical argument not to dress provocatively on a night out to minimise your chance of being sexualily harassed etc, but nothing gives a guy the right to sexual harass a women regardless of how she dresses.
You're absolutely right and I tried hard (failed?) to avoid suggesting that. What I meant was that given: the culture of wrestling, that wrestling contains other sexual components that people could complain about, Aries' almost certain lack of intent to harrass (he didn't actually put his bits in her face but near to) and the improvisational nature of live wrestling, it seems like an overreaction and bad will on Hemme's part. Why did people not just accept it as part of the show that was less than ideal? I'm sure die-hard fans could post hundreds of moments of similar misjudgement, or moments that have gone unchallenged that could be deemed offensive by someone -- I get really bored of Knockouts blowing kisses, and things like Tessmacher's ass move.

Getting in someone's face happens all the time in wrestling. Roode routinely climbs the turnbuckle at the end of his entrance. If he continued his move while Hemme were in the way, would it be harrassment? Or would he get the benefit of the doubt as being part of his standard entrance? Why not give Aries benefit of the doubt?

However, I do agree he should have grabbed the mic off her and instead embarrassed her. She does only one job all night (calling people out) but I don't hear complaints about her competence because her slip was a mistake, a one-off. As was Aries'.
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Old 20-05-2013, 11:23
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He was a heel getting his heat back after Christy Hemme, who is not a good announcer (and it's not the first time she ****s up Aries' entrance...go watch the video when she announces him and says..."All the way......(long awkward pause because she forgets what she has to say)....IT'S AUSTIN ARIES!!!") made a really stupid mistake.
There was a TNA quite recently (can't remember which, or who the announcer was) but they introduced Rob Terry as coming from some place in the USA!?
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Old 20-05-2013, 13:07
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Why can't Challenge get Impact to finish on time? my PVR cut off and so missed the very end of the show, did Sting sign the contract or not? If they stopped advertising the tour in 2014 every 5 minutes perhaps they could finish on time!
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Old 20-05-2013, 20:30
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Why can't Challenge get Impact to finish on time? my PVR cut off and so missed the very end of the show, did Sting sign the contract or not? If they stopped advertising the tour in 2014 every 5 minutes perhaps they could finish on time!
No the contract was not sign there had a fight no less.
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Old 20-05-2013, 21:10
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Funny how perving over Velvet Sky et al climbing into the ring is perfectly acceptable, yet play the heel and suggestively place your crotch in front of someone's face and you're hit with corporate outrage.
Its fine by me, all i mainly watch it for, Velvet Sky

Why can't Challenge get Impact to finish on time? my PVR cut off and so missed the very end of the show, did Sting sign the contract or not? If they stopped advertising the tour in 2014 every 5 minutes perhaps they could finish on time!
It also finished on Spike with no contract signing while Sting and Bully were brawling to, so wasn't a Challenge fault, thats how/where it ended.
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