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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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seibu
12-03-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“They nuclesr heat her because they genuinly don't like her it's not like a heel getting booed but in real like you respect and like them Dixie is genuilly hated by the fans.

Even the table thing was more of a thank god it's finally over type thing.

Plus that is one of the things that got them taken off Spike as Spike told them no man on woman violence.”

Segment ratings repeatedly showed that Dixie was in fact a draw.

I don't think Spike dropped TNA over Dixie's table bump. They simply wouldn't have broadcast anything they weren't happy with; the show wasn't live, after all.
hazydayz
12-03-2015
Anyone any idea what the graphic footage Dixie is talking about on this weeks Impact?
AlexiR
12-03-2015
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Segment ratings repeatedly showed that Dixie was in fact a draw.”

I don't have anywhere near a good enough memory (for TNA) to be able to do this but how much of that is down to segment placing? I mean you can make almost anyone look like a draw just so long as you place their segments in the right spot on the show.
hazydayz
12-03-2015
I've just found out what it is. I will be watching!
dave_windows
13-03-2015
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Anyone any idea what the graphic footage Dixie is talking about on this weeks Impact?”

Probably Roode wrestling.
seibu
13-03-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I don't have anywhere near a good enough memory (for TNA) to be able to do this but how much of that is down to segment placing? I mean you can make almost anyone look like a draw just so long as you place their segments in the right spot on the show.”

That's a good point. She was featured in prominent segments. Although I think analysis that claimed she was a draw also claimed to take that into account.

I think the least we can say is that she didn't cause viewers to switch off. I actually think she improved during her run, and if the purpose of a heel is to draw heat she was a success. To me, "go away heat" is silence and Dixie was booed to the rafters.
hemightydave
13-03-2015
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Anyone any idea what the graphic footage Dixie is talking about on this weeks Impact?”

No Spoilers but I think it relates to a match from the Wembly tapings - it's well worth tuning in for!
dave_windows
13-03-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I don't have anywhere near a good enough memory (for TNA) to be able to do this but how much of that is down to segment placing? I mean you can make almost anyone look like a draw just so long as you place their segments in the right spot on the show.”

Dixie was the reason I tuned off. I only tuned back in once I read Bubba put her through a table last year.
James Frederick
15-03-2015
Do TNA Fans just chant "This is awesome" at anything they were just doing it at the Roode vs a EY Last Man Standing match which wasn't all that good really to say who was in it.
AlexiR
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by seibu:
“That's a good point. She was featured in prominent segments...”

Which also raises the question of whether she was drawing eyeballs or whether the people she was being paired with were drawing them. Again you can make anyone look like a draw if you pair them with the right person.

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“I think the least we can say is that she didn't cause viewers to switch off. I actually think she improved during her run, and if the purpose of a heel is to draw heat she was a success. To me, "go away heat" is silence and Dixie was booed to the rafters.”

I don't know that I'd say go away heat is silence.

I'd agree that there's little to suggest Dixie Carter (on screen) is the reason people were switching off or that she was driving people to switch off. Although it can probably be argued that he use on screen is perhaps symptomatic of a lot of the problems that did drive viewers away.

Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Do TNA Fans just chant "This is awesome" at anything they were just doing it at the Roode vs a EY Last Man Standing match which wasn't all that good really to say who was in it.”

Its not just TNA fans.
dave_windows
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Do TNA Fans just chant "This is awesome" at anything they were just doing it at the Roode vs a EY Last Man Standing match which wasn't all that good really to say who was in it.”

I dunno why Lashley always get bashed when he has a military wrestling background.
FMKK
16-03-2015
I'm hearing incredible things about this Spud vs Carter match on Impact. Even seeing some claim it's an outside contender for match of the year. Is it worth seeking out?
Hollie_Louise
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I dunno why Lashley always get bashed when he has a military wrestling background.”

Because he's boring to watch for me.
AlexiR
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I dunno why Lashley always get bashed when he has a military wrestling background.”

I don't know what this had to do with the post you quoted...

Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I'm hearing incredible things about this Spud vs Carter match on Impact. Even seeing some claim it's an outside contender for match of the year. Is it worth seeking out?”

I think its being largely oversold. I was disheartened by the sheer volume of outside interference and the weird 'production elements' that didn't really seem to have much rhyme or reason to them. Also for all the talk of how terrible the WWE announce teams are (and they are) watching this match just served as a reminder that somehow the TNA team are even worse. Taz in particular. That's not to say its a bad match though. It wasn't. It was a decent bloody brawl that was mostly psychologically sound and I suspect if I were in anyway invested in the story of characters behind it and involved then I'd have enjoyed it more. If that's a match of the year contender though then its going to be a very rough year.
seibu
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I'm hearing incredible things about this Spud vs Carter match on Impact. Even seeing some claim it's an outside contender for match of the year. Is it worth seeking out?”

I'd suggest anyone who didn't see it should check out the whole of Impact this week. It was the best episode in a very, very long time.
seibu
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“and the weird 'production elements' that didn't really seem to have much rhyme or reason to them.”

Discovery wanted those shots removed. TNA said "can we keep them but in black and white?". Discovery said yes, so you got the match in full with the shots that would otherwise have been pulled in b&w.
hazydayz
16-03-2015
I was surprised at how few shots were in black and white. We still got quite a few shots of his whole face covered in blood.
FMKK
16-03-2015
Yeah, I've heard that the black and white may have actually been a stylistic choice rather than a censoring issue. That's just speculation of course but I need to watch it myself before saying for sure.
dave_windows
16-03-2015
WHy in 2015 do we need B&W when blood is shown?
FMKK
16-03-2015
So I watched this Spud vs Carter match and, as someone who is usually pretty critical of TNA, I found it to be really very good. Carter was great as a heel, Spud showed great babyface fire, the bladejob was top notch and the angle at the end really sealed the deal for me. I'm not sure about it as a match of the year but I do think that WWE had had a weak few months in ring and their style is looking pretty exposed right now - psychology and selling have been largely ditched in favour of trading big moves and nearfalls for the cheap pop. This match didn't have much in terms of impressive offence but the psychology and storytelling within the match was excellent.

I didn't like to see ECIII working hurt but the brace was used to good effect as a prop. Another thing I wasn't a fan of was the camera work. I get that they are trying to be different and whatever but they shakiness and the zooms are getting worse than Kevin Dunn. The commentary was also a major issue - Matthews was fine but lacked the OTT drama and emotion to put it over the top, Taz was absolutely woeful and sounded like his comments were pre-recorded stock phrases for a video game. Ditch him now.

Also, I really think TNA needs to put the title on Carter sooner rather than later. He's doing really well as a heel and giving him a long title run while building up the next big babyface star to take it from him would be the perfect way to herald a new era for TNA, centred around two fresh cornerstone figures. The only issue is that I have no idea who that face should be.

Still, excellent match and angle and I can see why it's getting so much praise.
hazydayz
16-03-2015
I think it might just be the Network didn't want any shots where it lingered right into his face. And at the end when EC3 is holding him up they did shots from far away rather than close up shots so it's probably a mix of both like we can see hes bleeding but we don't need real close up shots of the cut.


Blood is a dividing issue in wrestling. On one hand you have people that do not want blood because it's wrestlers hurting themselves and possibly leaving scars and then there is the risk of infections which shouldn't be an issue because the wrestlers should be getting regular checkups anyway.

And then you have people that just don't want to see it in any form at all because it's not needed but if you're gonna do that then you might aswell not have cage matches or any violent matches because no one really can suspend reality for a lot of that stuff without seeing a little bit of colour.

And then there is society. We are society. How do we feel about blood? There's programmes on daytime about animals and wildlife that probably show more blood than anything on a wrestling show but that's ok because we eat that meat..hmm. WWE has their excuse of being family friendly and in WWE's mind family friendly means something completely different than to what reality expects family friendly to be. Blood is reality. Everyone bleeds. Part of me does think that if it reallly was a network decision to turn the screen black and white they would have either cut the match down severly or just left the whole thing black and white, they wouldn't have chosen those few moments but again if it's a TNA decision I think there was better ways of doing it. Pixelating the screen would have made people think it was really gory if that's what you're trying to sell to people that he's all cut open and it's bad.

On a funny sidenote things have been hectic in my real life lately and a lot of stuff going on with family members etc and I had Impact taped and it on earlier and family came over which I was expecting and of course within minutes........this is bullshit, it's not even real blood, it's too red to be real blood and someone else wouldn't watch the screen when there was blood but everytime they did turn round to watch cause Drew bled also they looked to me and said pfft, shite this is and of course the classic..........the one everyone has had of course i'm not 10 years old anymore i'm many many years older......the older person, in this case the middle aged man lol.......in a condescending voice.........talking to me..........another grown man and saying........do you like this then? it's good acting isn't it? lol. You need to laugh. It's just the fact that it's a middle aged man doing it. Of course hundreds of pounds are being spent on a christening in a few months. I was tempted but didn't quite have the heart to mention i wouldn't be spending hundreds of pounds on a religious occasion to do with a man i can't see or hear or ooooh he must live in the clouds! lol.
dave_windows
16-03-2015
The thing about blood is we ve seen it far far too many times. The censors seem to over react when kiddies see it to be fair you can see worse on youtube and they probably have.
James Frederick
16-03-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“The thing about blood is we ve seen it far far too many times. The censors seem to over react when kiddies see it to be fair you can see worse on youtube and they probably have.”

But using that argmunt they could say why not have the KO's and Wrestlers wrestle naked as there is worse nudity on the internet.
seibu
17-03-2015
In the US, Sunday's Impact drew a total of 414,000 viewers, comprised of 338,000 original viewers and 76,000 West Coast/replay viewers. It's a big drop from the previous week and the lowest rating so far on Destination America.

As I've always said, there's very little correlation between how the internet perceives the quality of what TNA put out and how it actually performs in terms of viewers. Many personalities and angles which the internet hates were actually big draws, and the reverse is also sometimes true.

It's a shame more people didn't get to see that episode though. For me is was one of the best Impacts, if not the best, since the show started airing on Challenge.
whedon247
17-03-2015
any idea when challenge upload impacts on to sky demand? i always record the imapct replay on tuesdays but i have a clash this week and tna loses out. would like to catch it on demand if possible.
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