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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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AlexiR
17-03-2015
Originally Posted by seibu:
“In the US, Sunday's Impact drew a total of 414,000 viewers, comprised of 338,000 original viewers and 76,000 West Coast/replay viewers. It's a big drop from the previous week and the lowest rating so far on Destination America.

As I've always said, there's very little correlation between how the internet perceives the quality of what TNA put out and how it actually performs in terms of viewers. Many personalities and angles which the internet hates were actually big draws, and the reverse is also sometimes true.”

This is flawed analysis.

It is a faulty assumption to say the least to assume that the quality of an in progress episode is what draws viewers in. That's rarely, if ever, the case for episodic television. More important to the ratings of any given episode is the quality and reaction of those that go before it. So I would suggest that this weeks ratings are perhaps a more accurate reflection on last weeks show than they are on this weeks.

The test will be whether good word of mouth for this weeks edition has any kind of positive effect on next weeks show and whether TNA is able to build momentum or not.
whedon247
17-03-2015
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Discovery wanted those shots removed. TNA said "can we keep them but in black and white?". Discovery said yes, so you got the match in full with the shots that would otherwise have been pulled in b&w.”

i thought destination x were supposed to be fully behind TNA and helpful? may aswell make it pg

i havnt seent he footage though like
whedon247
18-03-2015
caught imapct,very overated show

whoppy doo it had some good matches, it was very basic show

its due to basic wrasslin booking that TNA is as low as it is though i guess.

and where was this graphic footage? surerly not spuds face?
FMKK
18-03-2015
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“caught imapct,very overated show

whoppy doo it had some good matches, it was very basic show

its due to basic wrasslin booking that TNA is as low as it is though i guess.

and where was this graphic footage? surerly not spuds face?”

I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion.
whedon247
18-03-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion.”

ok.............?
seibu
18-03-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“This is flawed analysis.

It is a faulty assumption to say the least to assume that the quality of an in progress episode is what draws viewers in. That's rarely, if ever, the case for episodic television. More important to the ratings of any given episode is the quality and reaction of those that go before it. So I would suggest that this weeks ratings are perhaps a more accurate reflection on last weeks show than they are on this weeks.

The test will be whether good word of mouth for this weeks edition has any kind of positive effect on next weeks show and whether TNA is able to build momentum or not.”

Yeah, you're obviously right there. I was talking more generally about the lack of correlation between TNA's ratings and its quality. But yes, you're right to point out that this show's low rating doesn't in itself prove the point.

Ideally, I guess you want 3 - 4 weeks minimum of very good shows with no duds to even begin to see a difference.
dave_windows
19-03-2015
Why does TNA even bother to tape shows 12 months in advance? Just seems a bit pointless why you would tape ONO shows and not air them for months.

It confused alot of people last year when they did this and certain guys had the world belt when they had lost the title months ago.
seibu
19-03-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Why does TNA even bother to tape shows 12 months in advance? Just seems a bit pointless why you would tape ONO shows and not air them for months.

It confused alot of people last year when they did this and certain guys had the world belt when they had lost the title months ago.”

Apparently the ONO shows are due to contractual obligation. I long for the day when TNA can stop making them. They seem pointless beyond belief.
dave_windows
20-03-2015
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Apparently the ONO shows are due to contractual obligation. I long for the day when TNA can stop making them. They seem pointless beyond belief.”

I cant remember now but I think Magnus was the TNA champ on one of the shows and time they aired it he had already lost the belt months ago as you had a diff champ on Impact. They should stop doing this as do we really need something like this in 2015. I can tolerate Smackdown doing it because its a TV show and its only for a couple days but a 12 month wait is just silly.
Hollie_Louise
20-03-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I cant remember now but I think Magnus was the TNA champ on one of the shows and time they aired it he had already lost the belt months ago as you had a diff champ on Impact. They should stop doing this as do we really need something like this in 2015. I can tolerate Smackdown doing it because its a TV show and its only for a couple days but a 12 month wait is just silly.”

But they can't stop doing it because it's fulfilling contractual obligations. They stop ONO, they lose money/have to give money they received back to every broadcaster they previously had PPV deals with.
Hollie_Louise
20-03-2015
On a separate note, Impact goes live on May 8th from..... Orlando . Further tapings taking place May 9-11th.
seibu
20-03-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“On a separate note, Impact goes live on May 8th from..... Orlando . Further tapings taking place May 9-11th.”

Well, a live one is nice I guess. Thanks for the info

EDIT: BTW you pointed out on the other thread I was suggesting WWE adopt a TNA schedule. The difference of course is that RAW changes venue every week and is live. TNA *dream* of having single, live, touring show once a week! For me as a viewer, that's the optimal model. I don't have time to watch two shows from a single promotion.
dave_windows
20-03-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But they can't stop doing it because it's fulfilling contractual obligations. They stop ONO, they lose money/have to give money they received back to every broadcaster they previously had PPV deals with.”

Id rather have PPVs than just taped stuff.
Hollie_Louise
05-04-2015
God it took a while to find this thread lol. Apparently TNA Wrestling's Greatest Matches has been cancelled. No mention of the show in Destination America's schedule nor on TNA's website (although haven't checked the website to see if that is the case)
Grouty
05-04-2015
I miss Velvet
Steveaustin316
06-04-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But they can't stop doing it because it's fulfilling contractual obligations. They stop ONO, they lose money/have to give money they received back to every broadcaster they previously had PPV deals with.”

Couldn't they tape them closer to the date they will air on TV?
Hollie_Louise
06-04-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Couldn't they tape them closer to the date they will air on TV?”

I think it's down to cost and that they can't charge people at Universal Studios to watch so they just cram in the filming. It's crazy that they've already filmed 8 ONO's between February 14th and 16th because God knows what's going to happen between them and the time the last one airs.
Steveaustin316
06-04-2015
Have they officially given up on PPV?
Hollie_Louise
06-04-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Have they officially given up on PPV?”

So far this year only Slammiversary and Bound For Glory have been announced for June and October respectively so pretty much.
dave_windows
06-04-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I think it's down to cost and that they can't charge people at Universal Studios to watch so they just cram in the filming. It's crazy that they've already filmed 8 ONO's between February 14th and 16th because God knows what's going to happen between them and the time the last one airs.”

Its a shame they ditched so many PPVs in favour of pretaped stuff fans know months in advance what happens. Mind you doing that means you are screwing up stuff especially if a champ loses the belt on a Impact.
seibu
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Have they officially given up on PPV?”

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“So far this year only Slammiversary and Bound For Glory have been announced for June and October respectively so pretty much.”

Or to put it another way, no, they haven't officially given up on PPV because two are scheduled for this year.
Steveaustin316
08-04-2015
Could TNA do a deal with Destination America to air a few special episodes each year on a Sunday night, which could also be used to fulfill international TV deals in place of the ONO shows?
AlexiR
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Its a shame they ditched so many PPVs in favour of pretaped stuff fans know months in advance what happens. Mind you doing that means you are screwing up stuff especially if a champ loses the belt on a Impact.”

I don't think its a shame they ditched the Pay-Per-Views. As a model it wasn't working for them and that they stuck with them for as long as they did was probably a mistake. It is perhaps a shame that they've gone with taping stuff so far in advance though. Although in theory that at least demands a degree of storyline discipline and planning that TNA would greatly benefit from. Of course the flipside to that can be that if something doesn't work you're stuck with it.

Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Could TNA do a deal with Destination America to air a few special episodes each year on a Sunday night, which could also be used to fulfill international TV deals in place of the ONO shows?”

Could they? In theory. Whether Destination America would be interested in that is another issue entirely though.
Steveaustin316
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Could they? In theory. Whether Destination America would be interested in that is another issue entirely though.”

If they are pleased with TNA's ratings, it's possible it could happen if TNA requested it.
ags_rule
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I don't think its a shame they ditched the Pay-Per-Views. As a model it wasn't working for them and that they stuck with them for as long as they did was probably a mistake.”

There were always conflicting reports about the PPV numbers. Some suggested that they lost money on everyone; others suggested they made a minimal profit. I imagine the truth is somewhere in between, hence why they went to a 4 PPV a year model to cut back on those costs, but made sure they held them in front of paying audiences to try and bolster revenue that way.

It's hard to believe but TNA did manage to get over 7,000 fans in for both Slammiversary 2012 and Lockdown 2013. No doubt these events were papered but even a conservative estimate would put them at 4,000-5,000 fully paying fans. It's doubtful they could draw those sort of numbers any more - and we can debate all day as to the reasons why that is - but presumably that is why they have dropped to only 2 PPVs a year.
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