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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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Hollie_Louise
23-05-2015
Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“I agree with you 100% on the pattern thing, but that is not the game being played here. Fans are the last thing they should think about right now. They have to find a new network and DA coming out and saying they're canceled would make that a lot harder as far as bargaining weight is concerned. Them coming out and saying they're NOT canceled could help them, but at the same time interested networks could go: "wait a minute, you're not canceled but still you're here talking with us about interest? What's going on?", so it's probably a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, and it's just the beginning. Maybe DA changes their mind (and if it's true that Dixie accidentally sent an e-mail to the president of DA calling the network's suits "dummies" I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon) or TNA is, once again, in deep trouble. We'll just have to wait and see.”

But that whole scenario is based on TNA being cancelled. I'm saying if they are not cancelled, they need to say that. I'm not saying if they are cancelled they need to come out and lie saying they haven't been cancelled. If they haven't been cancelled, and they will be on DA post September, they shouldn't be worried about other networks.
FMKK
23-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I'll chuck in that sandwich too.

You do realise we will be told off for this?”

By the three TNA fans who still bother to have this fight? Are there even that many left?
Hollie_Louise
23-05-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“By the three TNA fans who still bother to have this fight? Are there even that many left?”

Im abstaining because whatever little tiny link I have to WWE will be used as the reason I'm saying it. Like how a shareholder in Man U is bothered by the Sunday league team.
FMKK
23-05-2015
There aren't many people in the world who would be able to sustain the argument that Dixie isn't an idiot at this stage though.
Hollie_Louise
23-05-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“There aren't many people in the world who would be able to sustain the argument that Dixie isn't an idiot at this stage though.”

Only because she's allowed to be because nobody pushes her to engage her f*cking brain. People on dirtsheet websites saying it's all the dirtsheets fault, they've put TNA in this position because they have reported they have been cancelled. It's got nothing to do with the fact the two parties that can deny it, and in the process out Meltzer as a liar, have refused to do so lol
FMKK
24-05-2015
I honestly think Panda just find TNA in order to keep Dixie busy and away from the real business.
JCR
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by jezzer:
“Ive just been away so is TNA showing on challenge on sunday?”

Yes. Strangely there was no new ep in America this week, but they showed a new one in Canada & presumably we're getting it too.
James Frederick
24-05-2015
So either the US will miss a ep or we will be a week ahead until they sort it out.
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
Apparently there is little storyline progression in the episode anyway
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
Angle has spoken again about WWE negotiations:

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““You know what, when it came down to it, I talked to both companies and it was an easy decision. From every perspective, from amount of dates, to the amount of money, to the amount of interest, it wasn’t a hard decision – TNA trumped the WWE. And for whatever reason, maybe the WWE didn’t think I could still go, maybe they just wanted to start grooming younger talent, although they’ve obviously hired Sting, brought in Batista and brought guys back like Jericho… I don’t know the full story, it could be anything, but when it came down to it I had my options open. I never said I was going to leave TNA and I never said I wouldn’t go back to WWE, but when I looked at the best scenario for me, hands down it was TNA.””

It was an easy decision to make because WWE took your decision away lol.

"From every perspective, from amount of dates, to the amount of money, to the amount of interest - TNA trumped the WWE". Of course they trumped WWE, because WWE didn't offer any dates, any money and very little interest lol.
James Frederick
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Angle has spoken again about WWE negotiations:



It was an easy decision to make because WWE took your decision away lol.

"From every perspective, from amount of dates, to the amount of money, to the amount of interest - TNA trumped the WWE". Of course they trumped WWE, because WWE didn't offer any dates, any money and very little interest lol.”

Same reason The Wolves went to TNA as after they had a try out on NXT WWE said thanks but no thanks.

Then The Wolves said they didn't want to go to WWE anyway (so why try out?) surprised they didn't end it with "So there"
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
The newest reason I'm being offered for the rumours about cancellation and e-mail stories, and hold on because it's a good one, Dixie Carter has ordered the stories to be leaked and then when it all comes out that they haven't been cancelled, she can sue Meltzer for lying.
dave_windows
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“There aren't many people in the world who would be able to sustain the argument that Dixie isn't an idiot at this stage though.”

Shes a terrible low budget copy of a Stephanie McMahon.
seibu
24-05-2015
Congratulations on turning this thread into petty anti-TNA sniping even as the company is in its death throes. Classy.
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
Thanks two comments joking about the TNA tape library has turned the thread into a anti-TNA one? Bit OTT maybe
ags_rule
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“"From every perspective, from amount of dates, to the amount of money, to the amount of interest - TNA trumped the WWE". Of course they trumped WWE, because WWE didn't offer any dates, any money and very little interest lol.”

Except that's not what was reported.

Angle was offered a WWE deal, but it was on a full-time schedule rather than limited dates. Presumably because WWE doesn't have enough half-decent veterans still working full-time schedules to put their newer wrestlers over, so they figured Angle could do that job. You can't blame Angle for turning that down given his age, shape and priorities in life. With TNA he gets to work limited dates, taped in advance, for a sizable sum of money. It's a no-brainer, really.

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“Same reason The Wolves went to TNA as after they had a try out on NXT WWE said thanks but no thanks.”

Ah yes, nothing like the WWE sheep who poo-poo certain wrestlers as bad because "Well, they tried out for WWE/NXT and didn't make it!" I actually find it impossible to believe any true wrestling fan can say the likes of Austin Aries and The Wolves aren't "good enough" for the indie-lite promotion that is NXT.
FMKK
24-05-2015
It's not as if Dixie isn't providing me with a load of material.
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Except that's not what was reported.

Angle was offered a WWE deal, but it was on a full-time schedule rather than limited dates. Presumably because WWE doesn't have enough half-decent veterans still working full-time schedules to put their newer wrestlers over, so they figured Angle could do that job. You can't blame Angle for turning that down given his age, shape and priorities in life. With TNA he gets to work limited dates, taped in advance, for a sizable sum of money. It's a no-brainer, really.



Ah yes, nothing like the WWE sheep who poo-poo certain wrestlers as bad because "Well, they tried out for WWE/NXT and didn't make it!" I actually find it impossible to believe any true wrestling fan can say the likes of Austin Aries and The Wolves aren't "good enough" for the indie-lite promotion that is NXT.”

Ok sorry. What I should have said is: Of course TNA trumped WWE because WWE cancelled their meeting with Angle.

As for The Wolves, the poster was referring to The Wolves saying they didn't want to go to WWE after WWE turned them down. They didn't say The Wolves were bad.
Hollie_Louise
24-05-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“It's not as if Dixie isn't providing me with a load of material.”

It's not Dixie's fault. It's those pesky dirtsheets
dave_windows
25-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“It's not Dixie's fault. It's those pesky dirtsheets”

Dirtsheets cant be blamed for her bad acting during that other woman/AJ Styles storyline.
AlexiR
25-05-2015
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“I'd challenge you to find any original story in wrestling nowadays. Doing unoriginal storylines isn't exclusive to TNA.”

Its much more problematic for TNA though because the wider audience either don't know they exist or simply have no interest in them. Like ECW (and to some extent WCW) before it TNA need to find something that strikes a cord. It doesn't need to be entirely original but it needs to have a spark of originality to it.

Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“...they never gave him an answer as to why they wanted more wrestling on the show when the ratings showed more people were watching the inring promos and angles and any match that had a "gimmick". Why would you fill the 2 hours with traditional wrestling matches when their ratings showed people tuned out when they were on?”

Perhaps because SpikeTV were the ones keeping the lights on and wanted a specific product that was more in keeping with the image and general direction the network wanted to project. Its also worth remembering that the highs and lows of an average episode of Impact weren't exactly world's apart.

Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“The only "good" that can come up from that situation is that, by saying that they're effectively canceled, DA would kill any power TNA would have negotiating with other networks, which coincidentally is the same exact thing Spike did for them last year.”

This is a complete logical fallacy.

What leverage do you imagine TNA currently have with broadcasters during negotiations? What is it you suppose that TNA are telling any broadcasters they might now be talking to about why they're having these talks in the first place? Absolutely any broadcaster TNA might now be talking to is absolutely going to be aware that Destination America is pulling the plug on TNA the notion that no one confirming it somehow puts TNA in a better negotiating position simply isn't true especially not now the cancellation has become an online talking point.

Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Except that's not what was reported.

Angle was offered a WWE deal, but it was on a full-time schedule rather than limited dates. Presumably because WWE doesn't have enough half-decent veterans still working full-time schedules to put their newer wrestlers over, so they figured Angle could do that job. You can't blame Angle for turning that down given his age, shape and priorities in life. With TNA he gets to work limited dates, taped in advance, for a sizable sum of money. It's a no-brainer, really.”

Only this isn't what was reported nor does it match with Kurt Angle's own (prior) comments on his talks with WWE which included claims earlier this year that WWE cancelled meetings with him and basically expressed absolutely no interest in bringing him back (reports at the time and since have suggested that this is basically because Angle's physical condition absolutely terrified WWE and that he wouldn't pass their basic medical testing to be an active member of the roster and had shown no interest in coming back in a non-wrestling role).

"I never went to see them. They didn’t even sit me down and talk to me."
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Hollie_Louise
25-05-2015
To be fair, Angle has now said his manager was told he would have to work a full schedule.

But what was my actual point was Angle acting like he had any option between TNA and WWE which he clearly didn't. Ags just has a problem with me because I don't agree with all criticism of WWE.
AlexiR
25-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“To be fair, Angle has now said his manager was told he would have to work a full schedule.”

Although to my mind that's not an entirely accurate representation of what Angle said. To me the quote reads a lot like any talk of working a full schedule was WWE shutting down talks with Angle rather than them actually wanting him back on a full schedule (and Angle seems to indicate that's how he took it as well) or having anything close to a deal on the table.

"There was a point when my manager talked to them and I believe they did say 'he would have to wrestle full-time'. That is not an option for me, not at this point in my career. So, whether that was part of it, honestly I just don't think they had that much interest in signing Kurt Angle at that point."
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dave_windows
26-05-2015
Angle didnt have a option? What if TNA just dont renew his contract? What then, I suppose he could always go to indys or retire for a few years to heal his neck. He doesnt have to go to WWE.

I missed TNA sunday night as time I woke up it had been on for 10 mins and wont record something thats already started even on the +1 channel. Is this episode repeated tomorrow night?
JCR
27-05-2015
DA's showing of Slammiversary 14 was not in the top 100 watched cable shows on USA TV on Friday. A repeat of Raw in Spanish was, at number 99. TNA fears Carlos & Hugo 😉
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