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Old 31-05-2015, 22:22
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Destination America have tweeted a link to this parody article http://t.co/8iRd3UTPhB. Apparently TNA aren't happy because the article contains this little gem:

"Raw will now go head-to-head on the network against Ring of Honor and, assuming it still exists next week, Total Non-Stop Action (TNA) Wrestling. Some experts are predicting a “ratings war” in which WWE will fight viciously to claim at least 98 percent of the “adult males aged 18-34″ demographic, leaving ROH and TNA to quibble over the scraps."
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:46
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I downloaded all the documents from the court site and there's a lot more there than the dirtsheets reported on. It was Jeff Jarrett that said those things and apparantly, i wont type all the names here but it was quite common for those names to be used, especially in the creative meetings. Terry Taylor also plays a big part and surprisingly to me Vince Russo too and they even mentioned 9 incidents were Russo made racist comments in WCW in 1999.


All information is in these documents. Dixie Carter's real email address. Vince Russos email address from 2006 which he still uses as I've used it to find out he registered a domain in March this year and through that found his real address and phone number lol. I think Dixie's office number is on the contact details too.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:26
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Destination America have tweeted a link to this parody article http://t.co/8iRd3UTPhB. Apparently TNA aren't happy because the article contains this little gem:

"Raw will now go head-to-head on the network against Ring of Honor and, assuming it still exists next week, Total Non-Stop Action (TNA) Wrestling. Some experts are predicting a “ratings war” in which WWE will fight viciously to claim at least 98 percent of the “adult males aged 18-34″ demographic, leaving ROH and TNA to quibble over the scraps."
Haha, heard about that earlier. I could imagine if one employee was taking the piss but it's still there! Channel seems mental in all honesty.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:36
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The poor cow can't catch a break.
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Old 01-06-2015, 00:17
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The poor cow can't catch a break.
Wow. Sexist much?
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Old 01-06-2015, 00:19
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Wow. Sexist much?
Yeah that was really sexist. Well done for catching that one
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Old 01-06-2015, 00:21
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The best part about the documents of the Konnan suit is Dixie Carter not knowing her company's website address and e-mailing a non-existant Terry Taylor mail address (@tna.com, which is not a domain ever owned by TNA) which she had in her contacts list. So either she talked to a fake Terry Taylor or she e-mailed him never receiving an answer (or not bothering to read the Mail Notification error e-mails).
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Old 01-06-2015, 00:36
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A lot of good stuff on there and a lot more R Truth stuff than what the dirtsheets posted infact there is so much good stuff there i'm surprised the dirtsheets didn't show all of it. Everyone seems to use their own personal email addresses rather than a TNA one but still a lot of documents not available to download yet.
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Old 01-06-2015, 00:55
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The best part about the documents of the Konnan suit is Dixie Carter not knowing her company's website address and e-mailing a non-existant Terry Taylor mail address (@tna.com, which is not a domain ever owned by TNA) which she had in her contacts list. So either she talked to a fake Terry Taylor or she e-mailed him never receiving an answer (or not bothering to read the Mail Notification error e-mails).
This woman owns a company! Jesus Christ....
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:27
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Dixie is a terrible business woman. I get that mummy and daddy own Panda energy which is the company she sponges off but she should at least know a thing or two about whats going on.

For me she just went way over the top when Hogan quit and she just hugged his ankle or the whole AJ Styles other woman thing.
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Old 01-06-2015, 16:29
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Dixie is a terrible business woman. I get that mummy and daddy own Panda energy which is the company she sponges off but she should at least know a thing or two about whats going on.

For me she just went way over the top when Hogan quit and she just hugged his ankle or the whole AJ Styles other woman thing.
Remember that all the dirtsheets reported that WWE's inspiration for the Cena/Ryder/Eve angle that year was from TNA. It did also - consistently - get them their highest rated segments, and produced some absolutely belting matches as well.
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Old 01-06-2015, 18:55
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The best part about the documents of the Konnan suit is Dixie Carter not knowing her company's website address and e-mailing a non-existant Terry Taylor mail address (@tna.com, which is not a domain ever owned by TNA) which she had in her contacts list. So either she talked to a fake Terry Taylor or she e-mailed him never receiving an answer (or not bothering to read the Mail Notification error e-mails).
Um. Do you guys actually have jobs? There's nothing at all unusual about senior people at big companies not being very tech-savvy.
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Old 01-06-2015, 19:06
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Um. Do you guys actually have jobs? There's nothing at all unusual about senior people at big companies not being very tech-savvy.
One thing is not being tech-savvy, another thing is not being able to send a freaking e-mail in the 2000s and another one is NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT YOUR COMPANY'S WEBSITE URL IS! And even worse is the fact that Dixie Carter's previous job was working for a PR agency, PR that she has shown a ton of times to have no freaking clue about it regarding the company.
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Old 01-06-2015, 19:49
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One thing is not being tech-savvy, another thing is not being able to send a freaking e-mail in the 2000s and another one is NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT YOUR COMPANY'S WEBSITE URL IS! And even worse is the fact that Dixie Carter's previous job was working for a PR agency, PR that she has shown a ton of times to have no freaking clue about it regarding the company.
I do web stuff and regularly talk to executives who've never looked at the website they're paying me to develop, and probably never will. It's the 1% thing. The people who 'run' our society were mostly born into money and are mostly incompetent. It's not just Dixie.
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Old 01-06-2015, 19:57
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Is anybody claiming it is just Dixie? By the way, are you calling her incompetent? If not, those last two sentences give that impression
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Old 01-06-2015, 20:11
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Remember that all the dirtsheets reported that WWE's inspiration for the Cena/Ryder/Eve angle that year was from TNA. It did also - consistently - get them their highest rated segments, and produced some absolutely belting matches as well.
Yeah but with WWE they didnt have a case of a bad storyline that TNA obviously did.
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Old 01-06-2015, 20:21
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Is anybody claiming it is just Dixie? By the way, are you calling her incompetent? If not, those last two sentences give that impression
I don't think she's any more or less incompetent than most company heads. Everything she does eg not confirming or denying negative rumours etc. is just standard corporate practice. She doesn't deserve anything like the hate she gets, which I think is largely wrestling fans transferring their mother issues. But equally, it would be ridiculous to argue she's in charge of TNA for any other reason than her parents; something you cab say about an alarming number of company heads when you look into it.
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Old 01-06-2015, 20:32
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I don't think she's any more or less incompetent than most company heads. Everything she does eg not confirming or denying negative rumours etc. is just standard corporate practice. She doesn't deserve anything like the hate she gets, which I think is largely wrestling fans transferring their mother issues. But equally, it would be ridiculous to argue she's in charge of TNA for any other reason than her parents; something you cab say about an alarming number of company heads when you look into it.
A million lols.

Though I agree in general about the incompetent, sheltered 1% stuff.
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Old 01-06-2015, 21:53
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I don't think she's any more or less incompetent than most company heads. Everything she does eg not confirming or denying negative rumours etc. is just standard corporate practice. She doesn't deserve anything like the hate she gets, which I think is largely wrestling fans transferring their mother issues. But equally, it would be ridiculous to argue she's in charge of TNA for any other reason than her parents; something you cab say about an alarming number of company heads when you look into it.
I just want to say if I was transferring mother issues onto Dixie Carter, I'd be less nice

Normally I'd agree on not confirming or denying rumours of a negative nature, if media companies did that for every rumour they'd never get anything done but surely this cancellation rumour should get a denial if its not true purely because the exact same thing happened less than 12 months ago. It's not like we haven't been here before.

And on that, my criticism isn't aimed solely at Dixie, it is shared between her and DA. If I was working for TNA, I'd be bloody a) worried and b) utterly pissed off that nobody is putting this terrible for PR rumour to bed.

They are to the outsider looking in a company on the brink of going under and nobody involved, or nobody with the power, is willing to stand up for TNA and say its not true. That is worrying.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:18
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I just want to say if I was transferring mother issues onto Dixie Carter, I'd be less nice

Normally I'd agree on not confirming or denying rumours of a negative nature, if media companies did that for every rumour they'd never get anything done but surely this cancellation rumour should get a denial if its not true purely because the exact same thing happened less than 12 months ago. It's not like we haven't been here before.

And on that, my criticism isn't aimed solely at Dixie, it is shared between her and DA. If I was working for TNA, I'd be bloody a) worried and b) utterly pissed off that nobody is putting this terrible for PR rumour to bed.

They are to the outsider looking in a company on the brink of going under and nobody involved, or nobody with the power, is willing to stand up for TNA and say its not true. That is worrying.
I suspect the truth is that they are cancelled, in favour of RoH reruns, and I also think it's unlikely they'll find a new home since DA was already last chance saloon. So that's why I think they've not said anything; it really is impossible to say anything without it being "the company is probably done". Would love to be wrong though!
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:03
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Um. Do you guys actually have jobs? There's nothing at all unusual about senior people at big companies not being very tech-savvy.
And in my experience those people tend not to make extensive use of that technology or they hire assistants that handle those things for them because its not an especially productive way to run a company using technology you don't understand. Take Vince McMahon for example as we all saw on Raw a few years ago he apparently can barely use a phone and yet he seems to function as a businessman and a human being presumably because he has people around him who are capable of handling these issues for him.
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:15
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If ROH want the same viewership as TNA they need to change their product. NXTs audience is basically ROH's audience. They need to stop being a typical fake wrestling show and start being a adding things in that the casual TV audience will be interested in. TNA for all their faults, and they do have them, still have other things going on in the show other than wrestling matches that are outside the box. They work in a much bigger box and know how the game works. Okay they lost half their audience going from Spike to DA but they know when they were getting those 1.0s on Spike the reason for it wasn't because the show was 2 hours of fake wrestling matches. They knew they needed characters, everyone had to be different, look different, talk different, there had to be stories and sexiness aswell as violence and managers and betrayals and there had to be a lot going on in the show in order for it to work.


Coming from that perspective I think TNA will do better than ROH but if they are cancelled in September then it wont matter either way will it? I can't wait to see the ratings. And the DVR ratings don't mean a thing btw because advertisers don't care about them. Advertisers want you to WATCH their commercials, and anyone watching on DVR will be fast forwarding through them so the only rating they will care about it is the first run rating, the live rating for the show going out the first time as you will have no choice but to watch the ads.

TNA also signed a new TV deal today. There seems to be plenty of countries happy with TNA, even Challenge over here still promotes them and they do well on the channel. If they are gone and can't get a new deal for September then I don't see why they couldn't still tape show in the Impact Zone and fulfill those contracts for other countries and just put the show online to watch. If they can't get a deal then i don't see Jeff Jarrett getting any kind of deal for GFW although i'd love to hear his selling pitch.

Infact I'd love to hear anyone's selling pitch when they try and convince a TV channel to pay money for wrestling and they ask how that money will be made back. With WWE last week getting one of the lowest ratings since the 1990s, i'd love to know who's interested in wrestling. Same with advertisers. I'd love to know what advertisers pay to advertise during WWE shows and the ones on DA for TNA Impact Wrestling. I think general interest in wrestling is at an all time low and has been going downhill for many many years and there is no sign of it changing.
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:34
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Didnt they say it was cancelled.
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:41
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If ROH want the same viewership as TNA they need to change their product.
No they don't. The very last thing RoH need to do is change their product.

TNA for all their faults, and they do have them, still have other things going on in the show other than wrestling matches that are outside the box.
And at this point I think we can all agree that TNA is absolutely an example of how to be a successful wrestling company and produce great television, right?

And the DVR ratings don't mean a thing btw because advertisers don't care about them. Advertisers want you to WATCH their commercials, and anyone watching on DVR will be fast forwarding through them so the only rating they will care about it is the first run rating, the live rating for the show going out the first time as you will have no choice but to watch the ads.
(Shock of all shocks) This is not accurate.

Advertising rates are actually set on C3 numbers. This is commercial viewing up to three days after the live broadcast and so does in fact include DVR viewing. The networks are also constantly pushing for C5/C7 numbers to become the new norm but we'll see whether that actually happens. Also for the record there's quite a bit of research out there that disproves the whole nobody watches commercials when they DVR a show. There's also a fair bit of research out there that suggests those who fast forward through the ads retain more details about the ads than those who don't. Plus live viewing doesn't actually lock in commercial viewing - people are more prone to channel surf when watching live plus be on social media and any other number of distractions or simply get up and leave the room (to get a drink for example) during the commercials.

If they are gone and can't get a new deal for September then I don't see why they couldn't still tape show in the Impact Zone and fulfill those contracts for other countries and just put the show online to watch.
Because the international television deals don't cover the cost of producing new shows.

Infact I'd love to hear anyone's selling pitch when they try and convince a TV channel to pay money for wrestling and they ask how that money will be made back.
You could always ask RoH or Paragon Wrestling. They've both done it.

With WWE last week getting one of the lowest ratings since the 1990s
No they didn't.
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:04
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How long have you been a TNA fan?
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