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It amazes me how people watch wrestling to see over the hill wrestlers with their guts almost dragging on the floor, they should just call it a day and retire it's embarassing and ruins their legacy and makes wrestling look like a joke at least Sting had the decency to stay in shape throughout his career, the Hardys on the over hand look like run down druggies, has Joe hit the gym now he's in wwe?
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I think they have done in the past what WCW (well Bisch) did way too much, they focused on WWE far too much. Too many of its stars have been WWE stars (mainly in the upper to midcard so it gives the impression of "watch TNA, the home of the guys WWE didn't want to an extent) and in 2015, their world champion is literally an ex-WWE guy WWE had no interest in bringing back.
Too many opportunities squandered. And I know Seibu will get upset at this, a complete lack of responsibility over their own disappointing history, seemingly both from fans and management. Dixie deluding herself that WWE consider TNA competition. TNA, or its president, seems completely delusional in so many aspects IMO. Man up, take some responsibility, you might even get somewhere if you're not constantly looking for the next person to blame your shortcomings on. |
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Um, it's not really about blaming anyone for TNA's failings, or the 'fans taking responsibility', which is a somewhat weird concept. I just don't agree with you that TNA's product is, or ever has been, all that bad.
Dixie talking about WWE doing things to stop TNA's growth last year, can anybody find a single example of how WWE has stopped TNA's growth? They been spoken about twice in 12 years to my knowledge. |
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It must have done at some point surely? A decade is a long time funnelling good money into a failing (financially) company.
A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0 |
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I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0 |
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Yep the loss of Wolfe was major one, noone has really sparked my interest since apart Aries and Anderson, I thought they might of been more creative with the manajorie but that quickly went nowhere fast.
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TBH I think that's a fair and reasonable analysis. They gambled big style on recreating 1997, lost, and never recovered.
Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later. |
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I know one swallow doesn't make a summer but I still think EC3 is doing some good stuff. I was pleased to see him kick out of the mic check and get the cleanish win over Mr Anderson. I have always thought they need to portray him as someone who can be a serious threat although I am not sure about how often we see wrestlers kicking out of finishing moves these days. His match this week was good entertainment too although I think it has not aired on Challenge yet so I won't say more than that.
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Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to. |
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I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0 The first 12 months they were on Spike TV stand out for me, as a former avid viewer. So late 2005 to late 2006. The signings of Dudley Boys, Christian, Sting and finally Kurt Angle. Samoa Joe running through everybody. ROH faves like Homicide, Alex Shelley and Jay Lethal brought in full time. The X-Division booked well and an impressive tag team division. TNA Impact gradually moved to a better and prime time slot. Then the news a video game and arrival of action figures. Although it's also because I wasn't keen on WWE in 2006 and the three way brand after ECW was revived. |
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I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to. If TNA was in a better state, he's someone who could have made a difference though. He was always a big ratings draw and ticket selling draw when WWE pushed him, especially to the Latino audience, and sold a tonne of merch. If anything, WWE didn't get the most out of him. But like I said, I don't think the time frames for him to come to TNA ever matched up. 100% agreed on the marketing though. I do feel that I should note that Rey is a much bigger star than Ziggler will ever be. Quote:
The first 12 months they were on Spike TV stand out for me, as a former avid viewer. So late 2005 to late 2006.
The signings of Dudley Boys, Christian, Sting and finally Kurt Angle. Samoa Joe running through everybody. ROH faves like Homicide, Alex Shelley and Jay Lethal brought in full time. The X-Division booked well and an impressive tag team division. TNA Impact gradually moved to a better and prime time slot. Then the news a video game and arrival of action figures. Although it's also because I wasn't keen on WWE in 2006 and the three way brand after ECW was revived. |
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I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to. Attempting to build around Rey in his 40's and with famously goosed knees would be silly even for TNA. Not that he'd go to them. |
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Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show. |
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Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show. |
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I honestly think that the brand is beyond saving...
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There's no way that TNA has made money for Panda.
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A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig
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And lots of people will have already watched the ROH show on the Sinclair channels before it aired on DA so it probably has more viewers than TNA overall.
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The addition of Jeff Hardy was the best thing about early 2010 because he was still a relevant main event star...
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Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.
I don't really understand how they could possibly justify paying for him and why Mysterio would go there when he's got AAA happy to pay him and Lucha Underground chasing him is beyond me. I will say I did have to laugh when I read a dirtsheet report that claimed that part of the TNA pitch to Mysterio was that they could help him get into movies and other entertainment avenues. With that said I can understand, to an extent, why they'd want Mysterio although I don't think its a signing that would help them anymore. As others have said I think this is a few years too late for both parties. Quote:
Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show. |
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It did. The show went online for US viewers
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When was this? Ive tried googling the show but nothing turns up apart from no tna this week threads.
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I misread the report. TNA didn't upload it but the French version is available on YouTube. It's definitely there
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And I'm sure if you look in the right places a English version will be out there somewhere.
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The only thing Ive ever found were 3 matches on Dailymotion in French and the xdivision match on youtube but badly recorded. Why people still feel they have to stick a camcorder at a tv screen ive no idea.
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smarks are not same as fans. only one of the aforementioned enjoy aspects of life!
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws. hummmmmmmmmm |
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smarks are not same as fans. only one of the aforementioned enjoy aspects of life!
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws. hummmmmmmmmm |
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It appears Gunner isn't the only TNA star leaving the company as Samuel Shaw tweeted the following
I can be an #artist in any promotion. Time to explore new artistic ventures. Thanks to everyone at @IMPACTWRESTLING that helped maximize my talents. |
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shaw had a good gimmick. tna just isnt giving a good platform to anyone anymore.
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shaw had a good gimmick. tna just isnt giving a good platform to anyone anymore.
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