It amazes me how people watch wrestling to see over the hill wrestlers with their guts almost dragging on the floor, they should just call it a day and retire it's embarassing and ruins their legacy and makes wrestling look like a joke at least Sting had the decency to stay in shape throughout his career, the Hardys on the over hand look like run down druggies, has Joe hit the gym now he's in wwe?
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Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I think they have done in the past what WCW (well Bisch) did way too much, they focused on WWE far too much. Too many of its stars have been WWE stars (mainly in the upper to midcard so it gives the impression of "watch TNA, the home of the guys WWE didn't want to an extent) and in 2015, their world champion is literally an ex-WWE guy WWE had no interest in bringing back.
Too many opportunities squandered. And I know Seibu will get upset at this, a complete lack of responsibility over their own disappointing history, seemingly both from fans and management. Dixie deluding herself that WWE consider TNA competition. TNA, or its president, seems completely delusional in so many aspects IMO.
Man up, take some responsibility, you might even get somewhere if you're not constantly looking for the next person to blame your shortcomings on.”
“I think they have done in the past what WCW (well Bisch) did way too much, they focused on WWE far too much. Too many of its stars have been WWE stars (mainly in the upper to midcard so it gives the impression of "watch TNA, the home of the guys WWE didn't want to an extent) and in 2015, their world champion is literally an ex-WWE guy WWE had no interest in bringing back.
Too many opportunities squandered. And I know Seibu will get upset at this, a complete lack of responsibility over their own disappointing history, seemingly both from fans and management. Dixie deluding herself that WWE consider TNA competition. TNA, or its president, seems completely delusional in so many aspects IMO.
Man up, take some responsibility, you might even get somewhere if you're not constantly looking for the next person to blame your shortcomings on.”
Um, it's not really about blaming anyone for TNA's failings, or the 'fans taking responsibility', which is a somewhat weird concept. I just don't agree with you that TNA's product is, or ever has been, all that bad.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Um, it's not really about blaming anyone for TNA's failings, or the 'fans taking responsibility', which is a somewhat weird concept. I just don't agree with you that TNA's product is, or ever has been, all that bad.”
“Um, it's not really about blaming anyone for TNA's failings, or the 'fans taking responsibility', which is a somewhat weird concept. I just don't agree with you that TNA's product is, or ever has been, all that bad.”
But people do (I wasn't saying you, I said you'd disagree with me) make excuses. It's always Anti-TNA/Pro-WWE if you make a criticism of TNA. You want them to fail if you make a criticism. Some fans do look to find somebody, anybody, outside of TNA to blame for their failings.
Dixie talking about WWE doing things to stop TNA's growth last year, can anybody find a single example of how WWE has stopped TNA's growth? They been spoken about twice in 12 years to my knowledge.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“It must have done at some point surely? A decade is a long time funnelling good money into a failing (financially) company.
A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig”
“It must have done at some point surely? A decade is a long time funnelling good money into a failing (financially) company.
A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig”
I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0”
“I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0”
TBH I think that's a fair and reasonable analysis. They gambled big style on recreating 1997, lost, and never recovered.
Yep the loss of Wolfe was major one, noone has really sparked my interest since apart Aries and Anderson, I thought they might of been more creative with the manajorie but that quickly went nowhere fast.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“TBH I think that's a fair and reasonable analysis. They gambled big style on recreating 1997, lost, and never recovered.”
“TBH I think that's a fair and reasonable analysis. They gambled big style on recreating 1997, lost, and never recovered.”
The addition of Jeff Hardy was the best thing about early 2010 because he was still a relevant main event star. If they had a model where he was in the main event with AJ, Daniels and Joe, Angle was in the HBK role of having special attraction feuds and the occasional title match and Sting was in the Taker role of having two or three programmes a year, then that would be a good structure for the top of the card. Then they could have focused on their popular tag team and women's divisions, both of which they did much more successfully than WWE. The women were actually their biggest ratings draw for a good while. The addition of Aires, Roode and Storm to the main event over the next two years or so would have kept things fresh.
Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.
I know one swallow doesn't make a summer but I still think EC3 is doing some good stuff. I was pleased to see him kick out of the mic check and get the cleanish win over Mr Anderson. I have always thought they need to portray him as someone who can be a serious threat although I am not sure about how often we see wrestlers kicking out of finishing moves these days. His match this week was good entertainment too although I think it has not aired on Challenge yet so I won't say more than that.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.”
“Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.”
I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0”
“I don't think they were ever going to get close to breaking through the barrier in terms of getting close to WWE but I've read in various places that they were beginning to turn profit in 2009. This period had AJ Styles as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, while Angle fought Desmond Wolfe. So young, in-house stars on top, Kurt being used to elevate people and factions and oldies taking a backseat. Of course, they decided to bring in Hogan and totally reset all their storylines in 2010 so they basically killed that off as it was starting to do well.
That's the story of TNA really. They were beginning to set a solid foundation and build success and then they hotshot everything to try starting Monday Night Wars 2.0”
The first 12 months they were on Spike TV stand out for me, as a former avid viewer. So late 2005 to late 2006.
The signings of Dudley Boys, Christian, Sting and finally Kurt Angle. Samoa Joe running through everybody. ROH faves like Homicide, Alex Shelley and Jay Lethal brought in full time. The X-Division booked well and an impressive tag team division. TNA Impact gradually moved to a better and prime time slot. Then the news a video game and arrival of action figures.
Although it's also because I wasn't keen on WWE in 2006 and the three way brand after ECW was revived.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to.”
“I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to.”
Rey would have no interest in TNA at this point anyway. He's being used as a top star/legend in AAA and is getting a stack for any dates outside of that.
If TNA was in a better state, he's someone who could have made a difference though. He was always a big ratings draw and ticket selling draw when WWE pushed him, especially to the Latino audience, and sold a tonne of merch. If anything, WWE didn't get the most out of him. But like I said, I don't think the time frames for him to come to TNA ever matched up. 100% agreed on the marketing though.
I do feel that I should note that Rey is a much bigger star than Ziggler will ever be.
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“The first 12 months they were on Spike TV stand out for me, as a former avid viewer. So late 2005 to late 2006.
The signings of Dudley Boys, Christian, Sting and finally Kurt Angle. Samoa Joe running through everybody. ROH faves like Homicide, Alex Shelley and Jay Lethal brought in full time. The X-Division booked well and an impressive tag team division. TNA Impact gradually moved to a better and prime time slot. Then the news a video game and arrival of action figures.
Although it's also because I wasn't keen on WWE in 2006 and the three way brand after ECW was revived.”
“The first 12 months they were on Spike TV stand out for me, as a former avid viewer. So late 2005 to late 2006.
The signings of Dudley Boys, Christian, Sting and finally Kurt Angle. Samoa Joe running through everybody. ROH faves like Homicide, Alex Shelley and Jay Lethal brought in full time. The X-Division booked well and an impressive tag team division. TNA Impact gradually moved to a better and prime time slot. Then the news a video game and arrival of action figures.
Although it's also because I wasn't keen on WWE in 2006 and the three way brand after ECW was revived.”
Then they brought in a new booker and it all went to shit. They really ought to have capitalised on Joe then and made him into their top star.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to.”
“I question what difference it will make for the money they will have to pay him. Same with these rumours about Ziggler that have started up.
Take the ridiculous amount of money you are going to need to sign Rey Mysterio to a contract and use it better. Marketing for example. The problem TNA has is getting its name out, getting its brand recognised. If Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Sting and Kurt Angle haven't done that with whatever ridiculous sums of money they were being paid, I don't hold out much hope that Mysterio will be able to.”
Rey's value to them I guess is in that they think they need star power to get a new tv deal.
Attempting to build around Rey in his 40's and with famously goosed knees would be silly even for TNA.
Not that he'd go to them.
Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.”
“Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.”
Maybe they don't know themselves yet and as they have already taped the shows after they will just throw matches that doesn't matter together on the night.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I honestly think that the brand is beyond saving...”
“I honestly think that the brand is beyond saving...”
I really don't think it is. If they found the right angle or star then they'd pick up momentum and fans in the same way the WWE would (albeit at a slower rate I suppose). Of course that's not to suggest that I think they're going to have that angle or star to power them forward but ultimately that's part of the beauty of pro-wrestling. When you find that one thing its magic and a rocket ship.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“There's no way that TNA has made money for Panda.”
“There's no way that TNA has made money for Panda.”
Taken as a whole I'd suggest the chances that Panda have made money from TNA is probably slim to none. Presumably though there will have been periods (potentially short periods) in which money was made.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig”
“A question ive wondered, has there even been a point when TNA has looked like it was on the edge of breaking through that barrier? I can't think of a moment where ive thought "this could be turning point". Genuine question btw, not a dig”
Angle/Joe is really the only time they've felt like a company about the break through to me. They had an exciting and different (from WWE) product that was a strong mix of established talent and new fresh names and they still had a decent women's and tag division at this point as well if memory serves. I suppose a case could potentially be made for Monday Night Wars II: The Redundancy...
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“And lots of people will have already watched the ROH show on the Sinclair channels before it aired on DA so it probably has more viewers than TNA overall.”
“And lots of people will have already watched the ROH show on the Sinclair channels before it aired on DA so it probably has more viewers than TNA overall.”
Lots of people is probably a slight overstatement.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“The addition of Jeff Hardy was the best thing about early 2010 because he was still a relevant main event star...”
“The addition of Jeff Hardy was the best thing about early 2010 because he was still a relevant main event star...”
A relevant main event star who had just been arrested and charged with trafficking steroids and pain pills with a search of his home then turning up more than 200 Vicodin pills and nearly 200 Somas not to mention steroids and cocaine. That TNA signed the guy ranks up there as one of the more, if not the most, stupid things they did in this period.
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“Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.”
“Also, what do people think of the apparent recent attempts to sign Rey Mysterio? I don't think they're really in the position to get him now but I think I could have been a difference maker if they had managed to tempt him in that 2009 era. In fairness, his problems with WWE didn't really start until a couple of years later.”
I don't really understand how they could possibly justify paying for him and why Mysterio would go there when he's got AAA happy to pay him and Lucha Underground chasing him is beyond me. I will say I did have to laugh when I read a dirtsheet report that claimed that part of the TNA pitch to Mysterio was that they could help him get into movies and other entertainment avenues.
With that said I can understand, to an extent, why they'd want Mysterio although I don't think its a signing that would help them anymore. As others have said I think this is a few years too late for both parties.
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.”
“Shouldn't TNA be announcing actual matches considering one of their two remaining PPV's is just over a week away?
I know taping some shows in advance which won't air until after the PPV airs complicated things, but at the very least they could air a segment where the announcers mention the matches on the show.”
I have vague memories a while back of reading something that said TNA's original plan for Slammiversary was to turn it into a sort of 'Best of TNA' event with just a collection of matches featuring past and present TNA talent not really driven by the current product at all. That to me seemed like the best idea TNA had, had in years. It would have given the Pay-Per-View a simple hook for audiences (potentially the lapsed audience and a broader wrestling one as well) and gotten around the awkward we're taping everything months in advance problem as well. Plus it would have given them a nice way to show case the current roster. Its a shame that didn't come together.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“It did. The show went online for US viewers”
“It did. The show went online for US viewers”
When was this? Ive tried googling the show but nothing turns up apart from no tna this week threads.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“When was this? Ive tried googling the show but nothing turns up apart from no tna this week threads.”
“When was this? Ive tried googling the show but nothing turns up apart from no tna this week threads.”
I misread the report. TNA didn't upload it but the French version is available on YouTube. It's definitely there
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I misread the report. TNA didn't upload it but the French version is available on YouTube. It's definitely there”
“I misread the report. TNA didn't upload it but the French version is available on YouTube. It's definitely there”
And I'm sure if you look in the right places a English version will be out there somewhere.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“And I'm sure if you look in the right places a English version will be out there somewhere.”
“And I'm sure if you look in the right places a English version will be out there somewhere.”
The only thing Ive ever found were 3 matches on Dailymotion in French and the xdivision match on youtube but badly recorded. Why people still feel they have to stick a camcorder at a tv screen ive no idea.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“The only thing Ive ever found were 3 matches on Dailymotion in French and the xdivision match on youtube but badly recorded. Why people still feel they have to stick a camcorder at a tv screen ive no idea.”
“The only thing Ive ever found were 3 matches on Dailymotion in French and the xdivision match on youtube but badly recorded. Why people still feel they have to stick a camcorder at a tv screen ive no idea.”
The full show is there. 1hr 33 minutes and not recorded by sticking a camcorder at a TV screen.
smarks are not same as fans. only one of the aforementioned enjoy aspects of life!
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws.
hummmmmmmmmm
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws.
hummmmmmmmmm
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“smarks are not same as fans. only one of the aforementioned enjoy aspects of life!
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws.
hummmmmmmmmm”
“smarks are not same as fans. only one of the aforementioned enjoy aspects of life!
also all very well saying impact sucks(cos it does) but alot of the people saying it dont seem to be so harsh on the equally if not worse raws.
hummmmmmmmmm”
Instead of "alot of the people", why not actually say who it is?
It appears Gunner isn't the only TNA star leaving the company as Samuel Shaw tweeted the following
I can be an #artist in any promotion.
Time to explore new artistic ventures. Thanks to everyone at @IMPACTWRESTLING that helped maximize my talents.
I can be an #artist in any promotion.
Time to explore new artistic ventures. Thanks to everyone at @IMPACTWRESTLING that helped maximize my talents.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“shaw had a good gimmick. tna just isnt giving a good platform to anyone anymore.”
“shaw had a good gimmick. tna just isnt giving a good platform to anyone anymore.”
Im guessing they go off the air in sept dont they?
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