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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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Steveaustin316
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“It can't be a priority really. TV ratings are the sole metric that will save the company at this point, and no one is buying their PPVs anyway. Still, the title situation in particular is a cluster****.

Still, at least they can bury this Storm and Magnus angle without anyone having to see it.”

I wouldn't be surprised if Slammiversay is watched by more people in the UK than in the US.
dave_windows
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“I wouldn't be surprised if Slammiversay is watched by more people in the UK than in the US.”

Im sure Impact gets better ratings in the UK than america does.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“I wouldn't be surprised if Slammiversay is watched by more people in the UK than in the US.”

That will have been the case for every TNA PPV since they got onto Bravo in the UK anyway because they're on free TV.

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Im sure Impact gets better ratings in the UK than america does.”

It doesn't.
JCR
23-06-2015
The massive drop off in UK ratings suggests star power does matter in the UK in ways it doesn't for TNA in America, strangely enough. TNA was not in the top 10 shows for Challenge for the week ending 14th June, meaning it had less than 107 thousand viewers. It was over 200 thousand for almost all of 2012.
Chicharito14
23-06-2015
The ratings system is different over here isn't it?
JCR
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Chicharito14:
“The ratings system is different over here isn't it?”

Yes, here you just get total number of viewers reported, where as in America who the viewers were is far more important, as advertisers generally don't care if pensioners or kids are watching there.
Steveaustin316
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“That will have been the case for every TNA PPV since they got onto Bravo in the UK anyway because they're on free TV.”

Good point. I should have remembered that.

Does anyone know what which TNA PPV got the largest amount of PPV buys in the US?
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Good point. I should have remembered that.

Does anyone know what which TNA PPV got the largest amount of PPV buys in the US?”

I think it was the first Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe match at Genesis 2006.
Steveaustin316
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I think it was the first Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe match at Genesis 2006.”

It's a shame TNA dropped the ball with Samoa Joe. He could have achieved so much more than he did.
AlexiR
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Im sure Impact gets better ratings in the UK than america does.”

It doesn't.

I posted the Impact UK ratings in the UK through to June 8 a few days ago (HERE). They are in fact noticeably lower than in the US and always have been, This however should not be surprising. Impact should be drawing more viewers in the US than it does the UK.

Originally Posted by JCR:
“The massive drop off in UK ratings suggests star power does matter in the UK in ways it doesn't for TNA in America, strangely enough.”

Massive drop off is an overstatement. The numbers are down in the UK (about 23% year-on-year through June 8) but in truth that's not as big as it might seem and doesn't take into account a couple of things the erosion in viewers started during the final stages of 2014 for example. Its also worth mentioning that Impact viewers did come back at the start of the year (despite the lack of star power) they just didn't stick around. This can be read as them being hit by a lack of star power or it can be read as UK audiences simply not liking the product. Its also quite probable that recent audience drops are down to the fact that broadly speaking the UK audience is smarky (for lack of a better term) than the US audience so the general bad press about TNA's future probably hurts them more here than the US.

I'd also just add that looking at the numbers I suspect WWE's year-on-year drop for the first half of the year is probably more than 23% in the UK although admittedly I haven't actually done the maths on that.

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“TNA was not in the top 10 shows for Challenge for the week ending 14th June, meaning it had less than 107 thousand viewers. It was over 200 thousand for almost all of 2012.”

The television landscape has changed dramatically even since 2012. Very few shows have retained the same level of viewership they had three years ago.

Originally Posted by Chicharito14:
“The ratings system is different over here isn't it?”

Not particularly.

Originally Posted by JCR:
“Yes, here you just get total number of viewers reported, where as in America who the viewers were is far more important, as advertisers generally don't care if pensioners or kids are watching there.”

That's at best a difference in reporting rather than attitudes or what advertisers want. Demographics are just as important here as they are in the US.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“It's a shame TNA dropped the ball with Samoa Joe. He could have achieved so much more than he did.”

Yeah, he was so hot in 2005 and 06 when he was unbeaten and it really looked like they were going to build the company around him. Unfortunately, they took a different direction under a new booker who kinda ruined it.
AlexiR
23-06-2015
But what you don't understand is that it wasn't his fault. It was someone else's. Like the networks or management. Or the talent for not getting over.
James Frederick
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“But what you don't understand is that it wasn't his fault. It was someone else's. Like the networks or management. Or the talent for not getting over.”

Or the fans for not liking or understanding it.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Or the fans for not liking or understanding it.”

To be fair, his booking is often such convoluted nonsense that there probably are a lot of fans who don't understand what's going on.
James Frederick
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“To be fair, his booking is often such convoluted nonsense that there probably are a lot of fans who don't understand what's going on.”

That wasn't his fault it was their own fault.

It wasn't his fault they switched off it was their fault for switching off.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“That wasn't his fault it was their own fault.

It wasn't his fault they switched off it was their fault for switching off.”

It's their own fault that they don't have some form of ADD.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Apparently some former TNA writer is claiming that Dolph Ziggler is on his way to the company. I haven't quite worked out whether he's trolling or deluded yet.

Also, I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but Austin Aires' contract is up at the end of this week.
DejaVoodoo
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Apparently some former TNA writer is claiming that Dolph Ziggler is on his way to the company. I haven't quite worked out whether he's trolling or deluded yet.

Also, I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but Austin Aires' contract is up at the end of this week.”

According to Bob Ryder, that guy never wrote for TNA. Make of that what you will.
Hollie_Louise
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“According to Bob Ryder, that guy never wrote for TNA. Make of that what you will.”

If TNA says somebody doesn't work for them, especially in the writing department, there's a good chance they are.

Leaked e-mail by Saturday?
FMKK
23-06-2015
See, this guy is full of shit but then Bob Ryder is permanently full of shit so who knows? Dolph's contract runs out in September so why he would sign with a company that is on course to lose their TV deal in that very month is a mystery to me.

Is there anyone at all that WWE would pick up from TNA if it were to fold? I can see Bobby Roode doing jobs to top guys in NXT and ECIII fitting in ok in the main roster midcard but that's about it.
AlexiR
23-06-2015
Is it possible I work for TNA? I mean I haven't had a paycheck from them or anything but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't work for them...
JCR
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“See, this guy is full of shit but then Bob Ryder is permanently full of shit so who knows? Dolph's contract runs out in September so why he would sign with a company that is on course to lose their TV deal in that very month is a mystery to me.

Is there anyone at all that WWE would pick up from TNA if it were to fold? I can see Bobby Roode doing jobs to top guys in NXT and ECIII fitting in ok in the main roster midcard but that's about it.”

EC3 was an nxt guy who was cut by WWE already.
FMKK
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Is it possible I work for TNA? I mean I haven't had a paycheck from them or anything but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't work for them...”

Waiting for Dixie to send me an email saying that you definitely aren't employed by them. If I do, I'll assume you're head of creative. And blame you for this James Storm/Mickie James fiasco.

Originally Posted by JCR:
“EC3 was an nxt guy who was cut by WWE already.”

I know, but I think he is worthy of a second chance even as a midcard IC title level guy. His act is kinda similar to The Miz though.

Also, it would be amazing if someone managed to get their hands on the books of TNA some day. Just to see how much money has actually been sunk into it and where it went.
AlexiR
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Is there anyone at all that WWE would pick up from TNA if it were to fold? I can see Bobby Roode doing jobs to top guys in NXT and ECIII fitting in ok in the main roster midcard but that's about it.”

I'd like to see them bring Kong back. That might be my chosen way to end Nikki's Divas title reign actually. Just have Kong come back and destroy the entire division (Lesnar style) then bring up some NXT divas to work with her.

I suppose they might bring The Hardyz back for one last run especially if they're interested in the tag division again. I wouldn't bet on that though and I don't want to get into legal trouble but I'm not totally convinced they'd pass a wellness test. I could see them bringing The Wolves in for the tag division as well.

I wouldn't be hugely surprised if they expressed a degree of interest in Magnus either. He's got a look they'd like and is decent on the mic. I doubt he'd get very far but its possible. ECIII is really the only guy who feels like he'd have any kind of upside at this point though.
FMKK
23-06-2015
I really don't think that much of the Wolves. They had a couple of tryout matches in NXT a couple of years back and didn't get a contract. That doesn't mean that they won't get a second chance but they damn near killed some jobber on a botched back body drop so there's that.

Magnus has a decent look but I find him utterly bland in the ring. Not that this would necessarily hold him back from signing for WWE. I think he would be best suited in a tag team though.
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