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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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wowboy
28-06-2015
Talk now of Awesome Kong and Taryn Terrell may have left the company as well.
James Frederick
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Probably a silly question, anybody planning on watching live tonight for what could possibly TNA's final PPV event?”

I'll watch live but only because I'll be awake anyway and it's free.

Must admit though the only thing I want to see is where the Jarrett thing is going if he wins I assume it's part of a bigger plan
ags_rule
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“In the past week they have lost.

Aries.
Low Ki
Storm
Magnus.

Edit to add.
Gunner
Sam Shaw

Not released all quit.”

Pretty sure Aries was released as his contract expired.

Aries and Storm are big losses. Storm is an original, a solid worker and over with TNA crowds. Aries is a phenomenal athlete and probably the only new "top star" TNA made over the last five years.

Magnus was OK but never main-event material. Low Ki is a great athlete but his best days are behind him, and he was always just going to be an X-Division talent anyway.

Gunner and Sam Shaw are no losses at all.

I think all of this talk of this being TNA's last event and them being on the verge of ending is very premature. Say what you want about this company, but they actually have a very successful track record when it comes to working the internet. Remember Devon being "released", only to show up at BFG as the first member of the Aces & Eights?
Hollie_Louise
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by wowboy:
“Talk now of Awesome Kong and Taryn Terrell may have left the company as well.”

If true, hopefully Kong goes back to WWE to finish what she started.
FMKK
28-06-2015
I wonder if the releasing of people who's contracts have expired is a cost saving move and they'll still appear on the next tapings on pay-per-appearance deals. Makes sense for TNA to get guaranteed expenses off the books and let those guys take bookings with GFW, ROH, PWG and whoever in the meantime.
James Frederick
28-06-2015
I would say Aries quit as yes his contact was up but from what I have read they wanted him to sign a new one and he turned them down.
hazydayz
28-06-2015
The truth of the matter is Jarrett does not have a TV deal for GFW. He's still an old carny at heart and now he knows the writing is on the wall for TNA as does TNA and there is 3 months to not only get those numbers up higher but to keep everything ticking along for Jarrett's GFW because if TNA go under who in their right mind is going to give TV time for Jarrett?


According to Vince Russo one of the major problems over the years was the heat between Jarret and Dixie and the fact that Jarrett lost his investor literally weeks into TNA starting and when Dixie's family put the money up they bought a majority share, for all that time until he left TNA he felt as though he should run TNA the way he wanted while everyone else around Jarrett knew this was wrong because he didn't have any authority to do it. He wanted Dixie to put the money up for TNA and keep TNA going but he wanted to run it and the truth was he couldn't, he didn't have the money, if the Carter's hadn't stepped in the company would have been out of business within a few weeks.


And Russo also said that Kurt Angle found out they were there when his kids came running into the dressing room and said hello to him. Dixie never once let on that Jeff would be coming let alone Karen and his kids. I feel really bad for Kurt.


And without saying too much about Impact, I also hope that Russo was right and they have filmed a lot of backstage segments with Jeff because if the results for the next 3 weeks are true then what was the point in bringing Jeff back? Why bring him back for one week only?

I just think both sides are desperate, both sides don't like each other but need each other. Jeff can't get anyone to take his GFW, Dixie has a network for TNA but might lose it, i think some kind of merger will happen at some point. I do think TNA getting more viewers than ROH has woken a lot of online fans up to see how things really work. TNA's audience are not all tuning into ROH and maybe that reflects on GFW? Maybe Jeff is seeing that a pure wrestling show just doesn't draw as many viewers as a wrestling show with many entertainment based segments. Maybe other networks are looking at that too, a pure wrestling show like ROH vs modern day pro wrestling TNA and how different the numbers are.
hazydayz
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I would say Aries quit as yes his contact was up but from what I have read they wanted him to sign a new one and he turned them down.”

But if they want to go then the best thing to do is let them go. Russo talked about this on Friday. For some of these wrestlers, they don't do it for money. Some of them deliberately go to Japan to earn a lot less than they would in America just because it's Japan and it's Japan and Japan is supposed to be wonderful. For them, money never enters into it because it's all about the wrestling.
FMKK
28-06-2015
A wrestling show like ROH which has it's shows first run on another network in various sections of the country doesn't get the same viewership as TNA, which is being first run on Destination America? Hardly a surprise.
DejaVoodoo
28-06-2015
TNA Hall of Fame 2015

Spoiler
from WrestlingObserver.com

To the surprise of nobody, at its TV tapings in Orlando Saturday night, TNA anounced Jeff Jarrett would be the 2015 inductee into the company's Hall of Fame. Jarrett started the company in 2002 with father Jerry and Bob Ryder and headed creative for years, as well as their early world champion.

The ceremony took place in the ring tonight, taped for a show in either late July or early August. That is really telling because it is usually announced at Slammiversary with the ceremony at Bound for Glory.
James Frederick
28-06-2015
I was wondering if this is the likely last TNA HOF if they will induct a few people.


Edit to add.

Who will be the first to be in both TNA and WWE HOF.

Sting
Angle.
Dudley Boyz/Team 3D.

I would say Sting myself.
dave_windows
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“He did and then sold a majority stake to Dixie's parents.”

That was probably the worst decision hes ever made.

Well apart from the fact of quitting WWE back in 95.
FMKK
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“That was probably the worst decision hes ever made.”

Well the company would have died otherwise so whether you think that should be regarded as a good or bad thing is a matter of interpretation I guess...

Quote:
“Well apart from the fact of quitting WWE back in 95.”

in what way was that a bad decision?
Hollie_Louise
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“A wrestling show like ROH which has it's shows first run on another network in various sections of the country doesn't get the same viewership as TNA, which is being first run on Destination America? Hardly a surprise.”

And again, TNA is hardly running rings around Ring Of Honor despite having a consistent presence on national television for almost a decade. They were 121,000 ahead last week, discounting whatever they get on Sinclair affiliates which aren't reported on. This is not a fantastic achievement in any way.
Hollie_Louise
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“That was probably the worst decision hes ever made.”

TNA would have died if he hadn't sold to Panda Energy. It kept him in employment.
AlexiR
28-06-2015
Something to consider with the run of people leaving TNA

There's been some suggestion that a lot of these people aren't so much leaving TNA as they are looking to get out of (potentially) restrictive and limited TNA deals. Its possible for example that guys like Storm and Magnus would be happy to come back and work the next round of TNA tapings but would want to be contracted to do so as freelancers and not tied to TNA deals. In the grand scheme of things this is likely down to the fact that TNA aren't running very many dates any more so these guys just aren't earning what they once were from their deals.

The second thing to consider is that there's reports that some backstage are a little unsure about the people leaving TNA. There's some pushing the idea that actually this is all set up for some kind of GFW vs. TNA angle.

Originally Posted by seibu:
“They're clearly shutting down. There's no last chance saloon after a network like DA drops you. They *were* the last chance saloon.”

I'd suggest the last chance saloon would be self distributing shows online (likely via YouTue) and trying to make the company work financially using the international deals. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if TNA thought about going this route if they are dropped by TNA although it would depend on the exact terms of their international deals and how much they'd be on the hook for with those.

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“So why burden yourself with the cost of buying TNA if it's not going to solve any of the problems?”

Well it would solve some of the problems if you inherit the international TV deals. It would give GFW a much needed outlet of some description and a revenue stream of some form as well. You could also argue that it might potentially be easier for GFW to get a domestic deal over TNA at this point. Not that I'd think it was particularly viable.
AlexiR
28-06-2015
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I do think TNA getting more viewers than ROH has woken a lot of online fans up to see how things really work. TNA's audience are not all tuning into ROH and maybe that reflects on GFW? Maybe Jeff is seeing that a pure wrestling show just doesn't draw as many viewers as a wrestling show with many entertainment based segments. Maybe other networks are looking at that too, a pure wrestling show like ROH vs modern day pro wrestling TNA and how different the numbers are.”

Firstly, modern day pro wrestling TNA? This is a joke right?

Secondly Impact and RoH really aren't that far apart particularly not when you break down the cost of the programming. If I'm a network executive I'm going to be much more tempted to bring in an RoH show than I am a TNA show. In part this is to do with the relative histories of the two but also because I'm going to find it much easier to make money from RoH. Its a substantially cheaper product that's reaching a not dissimilar audience level as TNA. There's also the issue that I can more easily package a 'pure wrestling' show than I can whatever it is you want to call the TNA product at this point.
JCR
28-06-2015
I'm watching it, but I'm gonna be ****ed off if there's no Grado
hazydayz
29-06-2015
Will you be dancing to Madonna if he does come out?
jenzie
29-06-2015
why the HELL isn't angle v EC3 on slammiversary???
an utterly pointless tag match instead
JCR
29-06-2015
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Will you be dancing to Madonna if he does come out?”

Of course. I'm also going to Fear & Loathing VIII in November to see him & dance in person.
JCR
29-06-2015
Originally Posted by jenzie:
“why the HELL isn't angle v EC3 on slammiversary???
an utterly pointless tag match instead”

They've already taped the next several weeks Impacts in the same building & didn't want to have to give away who won in advance.
HaloJoe
29-06-2015
Im pretty green when it comes to Challenge's TNA coverage, but is Slammiversary the first PPV they've aired live?
James Frederick
29-06-2015
Originally Posted by JCR:
“They've already taped the next several weeks Impacts in the same building & didn't want to have to give away who won in advance.”

But we know anyway so not much diffrence.

We also know who wins the Aries vs Eddie Edwards match as the final match has already happened.

Only match we don't really know about is KOTM
JCR
29-06-2015
Originally Posted by HaloJoe:
“Im pretty green when it comes to Challenge's TNA coverage, but is Slammiversary the first PPV they've aired live?”

Yeah. They usually show them the Wednesday after, in a better timeslot, allowing them to cut ads into it, (and in some cases edit botches).
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