TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)

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Hollie_Louise

17-07-2015

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Theres always the envitible match at a Wrestlemania against John Cena.”

Which again, I have literally zero desire to see. I'm sitting here thinking and I can't think of anything I want to see less than Hogan wrestling again.

James Frederick

17-07-2015

More on the Hernandez story

Quote:
“Since PWInsider.com broke the story of the situation TNA has found themselves after hiring Shawn Hernandez and signing him to a contract, only to receive a cease and desist from Lucha Underground stating that Hernandez was still under contract to them (which necessitated TNA releasing Hernandez and having to edit a ton of material on their TV shows, to the point the Beatdown Clan as a whole were dropped), the question we have received is: how could this have happened?

After reaching out to both TNA and Lucha Underground sources, this is what we have learned.

Hernandez was hired by TNA after being strongly touted and pushed by MVP as a good addition to the BDC. TNA management (one would assume John Gaburick) made the decision to sign Hernandez based on MVP's suggestion.

TNA sources have indicated that before he was signed, Hernandez stated that he was free and clear of any contractual obligations with any other promotion, had a release from Lucha Underground and was legally able to sign with the company. TNA included a clause in Hernandez' contract, which I am told he signed after his attorney signed off on it, that included that Hernandez was presenting himself as such. TNA filmed Impact Wrestling episodes and when they aired, the company was hit with the aforementioned cease and desist.

Lucha Underground sources have stated that Hernandez requested a release, but did not actually receive one. The release was in the works, but had not been issued, I am told. With their first season over and all their material for that season filmed, LU sources claim that Hernandez was told that if he wished to receive his release and get out of filming new seasons (none of which are set in stone yet, although there is hope the new season will commence filming in September), things could be worked out, but they requested that Hernandez not appear anywhere on TV before 8/5, the date of their season finale, and also that he abide by a no-compete (I am not sure on the length). After that, he would be free and clear.

LU Management was fine with letting Hernandez take an offer that would see him working regularly and making good money and even told him that he could come back down the line, but they expected him to adhere to the requests mentioned. Instead, Hernandez went right on TNA TV while he was also appearing on LU TV, leading to LU taking steps to protect their series.

TNA sources contend that Hernandez insisted he had a verbal release from LU and provided proof that there was communication between himself and LU that a release was in the works. TNA informed Hernandez that if he wanted to go after LU legally over the situation, they would be happy to use his footage and gave him a deadline (I believe this past Monday) to file something in court in California against Lucha Underground that would at least, provide a temporary restraining order against his LU contract and allow him on TNA TV."

When that deadline passed with no word from Hernandez or his attorney, TNA made moves to release him from his TNA contract and extricate as much evidence of his presence on TNA TV as humanly possible. As noted, TNA will be using older material (including the King of the Mountain match from Slammiversary) and new material they rush to film next week to fill the gaps in their TV episodes created by the loss of segments and matches that featured Hernandez.

I also want to point out that yesterday, TNA sources stated that the company offered to pay LU for the rights to use the Hernandez material that was already filmed but LU sources strongly deny any financial offer was ever made.

To say this was a black eye for TNA is an understatement as even if none of this is their fault, it still gives off the appearance that the company signed someone without doing the correct due diligence. It's also a major black eye for Hernandez, who was released from TNA and now finds himself locked into a contract with a promotion that, one would assume, won't be looking to use him going forward.

It's entirely possible there will be additional ramifications of the situation moving forward as well.”

James Frederick

17-07-2015

Quote:
“It appears there may be more to the rumors of TNA possibly leaving Destination America this September after all.
The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that privately, at least some TNA talents have been given an indication that the company will be looking for a new TV deal and that the money they make from overseas TV deals will keep them going while they shop around for a new deal here in the US.
Some TNA wrestlers were reportedly told that TNA will survive either way and be OK because they’ve trimmed most of the big contracts down and because they have gotten rid of most of the higher-paid talents. Some wrestlers were also told that TNA’s business model is changing.”

Got to give it to them they are not going down easy.

But without TV in the US they are just a small time indie not the number 2 promotion and if DA doesn't want them they can't go any lower.

AlexiR

17-07-2015

Originally Posted by seibu:
“Re Hogan, I'm not suggesting he be on TV more, just that he be given a character and reason to exist beyond bland corporate ambassador.

Surely the greatest name of all time in wrestling should have something to say about current wrestlers and feuds from time to time? There have been loads of moments over the last few years where Hogan's music hitting unexpectedly during a segment and him coming out to say something relevant to what was going on would have worked better than just wheeling him out at the start of the show to say "buy this"...”

Can you please name some of these moments? I guess maybe during the Sting/Triple H feud but I struggle to think of anything outside of that and they had Flair much more effectively fill the role that Hogan would have filled there.

I think the problem with Hogan (as TNA discovered) is that he sucks all the oxygen out of the room. I don't think this is always intentional but unless he's in the ring with guys of equal standing, as he was at Mania with Rock and Austin, then inevitably things tend to become the Hulk Hogan show. I think WWE are right not to use him for that reason alone.

The bigger problem I have is that I'm not sure what he'd actually do on television at this point. I'm not sure there's a productive role for him to play that's actually going to enhance the show in anyway.

Originally Posted by seibu:
“Well, first of all, it's an idea of the top of my head on a Thursday afternoon.

But I suppose it's the same reason you had Jake Roberts get an actual no-fooling snake to actually no-fooling bite Randy Savage. It's so you'd go "what the actual hell am I watching here?".”

Only the reason they had Jake Roberts have a snake bite Savage was to sell a Savage/Roberts feud. It wasn't just some random isolated what the hell is this moment. It was part of a larger story and plan.

Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“But without TV in the US they are just a small time indie not the number 2 promotion and if DA doesn't want them they can't go any lower.”

They certainly can go lower (there are no shortage of cable channels and distribution models out there). The problem is that if DA drop them they're going to struggle to sell themselves as a viable option for networks lower down the food chain. If DA didn't or couldn't get anything out of this arrangement I'm not sure what another network will. Unless they're seriously willing to slash their license fee but if they're willing to do that and DA still aren't interested in keeping them then they have serious problems.

seibu

17-07-2015

lol my Hogan idea is bloody rubbish isn't it?

I've been thinking about it for a week and you know what? It really is hard to think of anything constructive to do with him.

JCR

18-07-2015

MVP is gone according to his facebook.

Hollie_Louise

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by seibu:
“lol my Hogan idea is bloody rubbish isn't it?

I've been thinking about it for a week and you know what? It really is hard to think of anything constructive to do with him.”

Only a little bit rubbish lol. I just don't think there is a need to do anything constructive with Hogan in 2015. As a person that really just doesn't like Hogan, I still find myself marking out as soon as his music hits and I never actually know why lol. But by the end of whatever segment he is in, I find myself really wanting him to disappear again.

Oscar_

18-07-2015

I have always thought that Hernandez is a magnificent specimin physically. Shame he can't talk because he could have been a much bigger "superstar" in the wrestling world if he had been able to do that. If the latest story is true though then that is a gigantic shambles.

In today's lefty-wefty world I will probably get accused of being racist for saying this, but I have never been able to get interested in Tigre Uno at all even though he is obviously a good high-flyer and all that. Is it because he is Mexican? Not directly, but again the fact that he can't seem to talk (at least not in English) surely does not help.

Having said that though, it seems he is now going to speaking out. Hopefully it is not a spoiler to say that he is going to be making some sort of a statement about what Donald Trump has been saying about Mexicans. Since Trump is involved in producing TV shows I wonder if this could open some new avenues for TNA.

FMKK

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“I have always thought that Hernandez is a magnificent specimin physically. Shame he can't talk because he could have been a much bigger "superstar" in the wrestling world if he had been able to do that. If the latest story is true though then that is a gigantic shambles.

In today's lefty-wefty world I will probably get accused of being racist for saying this, but I have never been able to get interested in Tigre Uno at all even though he is obviously a good high-flyer and all that. Is it because he is Mexican? Not directly, but again the fact that he can't seem to talk (at least not in English) surely does not help.

Having said that though, it seems he is now going to speaking out. Hopefully it is not a spoiler to say that he is going to be making some sort of a statement about what Donald Trump has been saying about Mexicans. Since Trump is involved in producing TV shows I wonder if this could open some new avenues for TNA.”

I don't think you're living in the same world that I am...

Oscar_

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I don't think you're living in the same world that I am...”

That's a bit vague. Why don't you expand a little on what you mean by that?
I don't want to drift too far off topic in this thread but it seems to me that rampant lefty-weftyism already has much of the globe in a fiscal and cultural nose-dive. Crash-and-burn seems almost inevitable and hopes for any significant reversal or recovery (before or after catastrophe) seem slim.

Trump is getting a lot of support but also a lot of hate (heat) for the statements he has been making. Lefty-wefties regard anyone who is a non-lefty-wefty as more of a threat than terrorists and always seek to smear and destroy them. Trump is a huge public figure but I wonder if TNA are including him in their storylines with his knowledge or permission.

FMKK

18-07-2015

First, anyone using the phrase lefty-wefty is quite hard to take seriously. It makes me feel like you're reading too much Daily Mail. Trump is getting heat because he's a racist and a wing-nut, the sort of person that even the Republican establishment would fear if he wasn't a celebrity because he's unelectable.

Secondly, it's a huge phenomenon (especially on these forums) to somehow conflate middle class liberals with some sort of genuine left. Let's take a look at the world we live in. Politically and culturally it's very much post-Thatcher and Reagan where right win austerity politics is depressingly dominant and where corporate interests dominate the political landscape and where the media is run by rich old white guys. I could go on further but I really don't think I need to bother.

dave_windows

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Which again, I have literally zero desire to see. I'm sitting here thinking and I can't think of anything I want to see less than Hogan wrestling again.”

Thats just you though, its not me and there are plenty of crazy americans that would lap that match up. Obviously in reality it isnt gonna happen given how bad his back is but one can always dream.

Hollie_Louise

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Thats just you though, its not me and there are plenty of crazy americans that would lap that match up. Obviously in reality it isnt gonna happen given how bad his back is but one can always dream.”

Obviously that's just me, I can only offer my opinion, I wasn't speaking for the masses. I

dave_windows

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Obviously that's just me, I can only offer my opinion, I wasn't speaking for the masses. I”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvafwIExIeE

FMKK

18-07-2015

I like how you're happy to lump yourself in with crazy Americans.

dave_windows

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I like how you're happy to lump yourself in with crazy Americans.”

Well yeah. I hate being British!

AlexiR

18-07-2015

I don't think it is, in and of itself, a bad idea. I just don't know what it accomplishes or where it goes. As you say that's kind of the problem with Hogan at this point. What do you really do with him? And that's probably why WWE aren't really doing anything with him.

dave_windows

18-07-2015

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I don't think it is, in and of itself, a bad idea. I just don't know what it accomplishes or where it goes. As you say that's kind of the problem with Hogan at this point. What do you really do with him? And that's probably why WWE aren't really doing anything with him.”

Isnt that all to do with how bad his health has been the past couple of years.

FMKK

19-07-2015

Why is it only now that it's sunk in with me how ridiculous the whole Hernandes story is?

dave_windows

19-07-2015

What story?

FMKK

19-07-2015

Scroll up the page.

JCR

19-07-2015

Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Why is it only now that it's sunk in with me how ridiculous the whole Hernandes story is?”

This was posted elsewhere by stephen lyon of Fighting Spirit magazine, sums MVP's tna run up-

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“MVP turned heel owner by attacking TNA Champ Eric Young, and naming himself as no.1 contender to Young.
MVP was supposed to win the title, but in typical TNA fashion, disaster struck when MVP legit tore his knee wrestling in the U.K. for PCW (I was actually there that night) and they had to pull MVP from the planned TNA title match with Young.

MVP ended up as manager of sorts of Bobby Lashley (who won the title instead in a screw job) and Kenny King. The TNA board of directors baulked at the screwjob and replaced MVP with babyface Kurt Angle (injured himself at the time) as director of operations. MVP's actual 'ownership share' of the company was never addressed again.

MVP feuded with Angle, then formed the Beat Down Clan group with himself, King, Samoa Joe and Lashley.
Lashley left the group after a face turn, and was replaced by Low Ki.
Joe left the group when his contract expired and he left TNA. He was replaced by Homicide, who only lasted one tv taping before needing rotator cuff surgery.
BDC continued as a 3 man group, before Low Ki quit the company. This led to TNA bringing in Hernandez as the new 3rd BDC member, resulting in the fiasco that we have now, with Hernandez deal being void due to Lucha Underground legal threats, a ton of footage being scrapped, and MVP quitting the promotion 7 months before his deal expires.”

JCR

20-07-2015

Also a strange thing is, it was apparently well known in wrestling LU had used similar language in it's contracts to the ones actors in new US dramas have, i.e. you are contracted to this for 7 seasons, and cannot jump ship unless we cancel.

Altogether now- loltna.

dave_windows

20-07-2015

MVP is gone isnt he?

FMKK

21-07-2015

The writing on the wall:
https://twitter.com/thefraymovement/...01979734552576

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