What has WWE done to "crush" TNA? I'm genuinely looking forward to examples of WWE doing any form of damage to TNA's reputation.

wwe doesnt even know tna exists probably lol

sorry seibu you know i stick up for tna when required but i dont see how wwe putting on poor raw week after week is killing tna.

wcw tooka dvantage of poor wwe product. why hasnt tna?

ill tell you why because they let the best booker in wrestling go. screw tna!!!!!!!!!

WWE ignored them dispite TNA trying to make out there was a new Wrestling War going on.

They ignored them becuase TNA was no threat.

Only time WWE did anything was a few legal things over copyrighted names which they would have done to anybody.

I think you're making that bit up. But I can hardly be the only one who is ready for WWE to actually go all the way with their new stars rather than wheeling out the likes of Taker because they think that's the only way to draw.


A man with all the neck issues he's had over the years IS only one bad bump away from being paralysed. Just because he's managed to avoid it to this point doesn't mean it's a good idea to keep good. I think his performances have declined a lot too. And a lot of these guys pull themselves together for going on screen and actually look a lot worse backstage. I can envision Angle being a wreck off camera.


I think it's hard to even compare the two (TNA and NXT) because they're operating in different styles and going for different audiences but yeah, NXT isn't going to fail because WWE will make sure it doesn't.

You just fail to acknowledge them, label anyone that does a 'WWE apologist' (or something similarly themed) and construct arguments where the failings of TNA are the fault of anyone and everyone but TNA.


Yeah just that it was crushed by WWE rather than its own failings.


Alternatively of course the never ending series of failures on the part of TNA may have crushed the desire for a second US promotion. Wait, what am I saying. TNA can't possibly be held responsible for anything. It was obviously the fault of the WWE. I wouldn't want to be a WWE apologist right now would I.

I will however say that I really enjoy the logic behind a small promotion like NXT that has wrestling fans excited about the product and industry in a way they haven't been in a long time is a cynical move on the part of the WWE to destroy everyone. Just as I'm sure the reports of WWE looking to financially invest in other promotions is a sign of them wanting to crush everyone.


Please give legitimate and documented examples of WWE 'crushing' TNA.

Lol, would that be the one that has been booking for a large percentage of their history, including when they were supposedly at war with WWE?

Nah that's okay nobody has to agree with me!

Basically, WWE's "crushing" of TNA is the same as they're now starting to do to RoH. Intimidating venues out of hosting them and making it clear to talent that RoH is no longer a career path to WWE - they should go to NXT. Oh, and watch for "low morale" and "backstage chaos" stories about RoH to start appearing in the dirtsheets in, hmm, about six months.

Maybe "crushing" is a little strong And nobody said WWE have to give other promotions an easy ride - they are competitors after all. I agree that WWE have basically managed to "passive aggressive" TNA to death, more or less. And they'll now start doing the same to RoH.

I'm somewhat concerned that you haven't ever watched an episode of Impact...

TNA certainly embrace the label of wrestling in a way that WWE absolutely doesn't but that's entirely an issue of labeling or branding rather than a reflection of the product they're actually putting on. There's actually remarkably little difference between the product offered by TNA and WWE which is not a good thing for anyone. As WCW found out the hard way you cannot compete with WWE on their terms and by trying to 'out WWE' them.

he hardly booked at all imo

when 100% his product it was stopped after 2 months

the rest was partial booking watered down with wrasslin. russo would never book 20 min matches on a weekly show

best tna time for me would be when he first joined in asylum days or when in impact zone sting fued with abyss for world title and they had backstory with abyss dad.

but me personally i found it was rare than was ever a real russo product and considering i am such a big fan i think i would know.

Alexi, you really are straw-manning the heck out of me today. I'm impressed!

My position on TNA is the same as it's always been: It's not as bad as people say. The dirtsheets give it an unfairly hard time. It's failure is more to do with the decline of wrestling generally than the quality of its product.

I've certainly never said that TNA's product is perfect (I think it's generally about as good / bad as WWE, which is not good enough for an underdog competitor). I do frequently cite their failings, which to me are the decision to give Hogan and Bischoff too much control in 2009 (although that kind of made sense at the time) and trying to turn Aries heel in 2012. I've posted about both of those in the past. I still think that even without those failings they faced an uphill battle against the corporate juggernaut that is WWE. Would they have succeeded without making those mistakes? To me it's probably less than 50/50.

Oh yeah there are persistent rumours about WWE asking venues not to host TNA when Impact went on the road. Given the ridiculous venues Impact ended up having to book, I choose to believe them. I also think talent tacitly understood at some points that TNA was not a wise career move if they wanted ultimately to work in WWE. I also think dirtsheet writers have understood in the past that making TNA look bad is likely to get them better inside access with WWE. So sue me.

If that makes me some kind of crazy radical to you, so be it.

Lol, never in TNA's history has it ever booked wrasslin as you call it. It's been the same sort of stuff that Russo, Bischoff etc. always do. Faction wars, wacky stips and people fighting over who gets to control the company. The absolute opposite of wrasslin in the truest sense.

And also a midget wanking into a bin.

how old were you when tna started? teenager yet?

x division is wrestling. this silly destination x cash in is wrestling.

you can have stips all you want and crazy chaarcters to boot but its watered down with long matches it is not sports entertainment and is not a russo product.

the faction wars were fun mind

I wish the UK had that sort of deal. WOuld love to see New Japan every week.

Samoa Joe just signed from ROH so forgive me for not buying this.

So two examples of WWE damaging TNA is by telling arenas to not book them like TNA was going to be filling them anyway and by not giving them the time of day.

Again, it's not that TNA failed, it's that by WWE barely mentioning TNA (I can think of no more than two occasions, one of which was out of their control) hindered TNA. God help TNA if McMahon actually went for them.

Imagine watering down a wrestling show with wrestling! And I would like to know when this period when TNA was having loads of extended TV matches.

Faction wars/invasions have been the main storyline in TNA for the majority of their history so even if you love those angles, they get really old.

Sadly I think 5 years from now he probably could be.

So despite deriding/complaining about people who post rumours about TNA, you'll happily use them to further your own point.

I've heard the stories about WWE trying to keep ROH out of venues but I never heard it about Impact. It's not like WWE and TNA would have been booking the same level of venues anyway, so it's not like WWE could have promised exclusive deals like they can with NXT in ROH venues.

The only story I've ever read about WWE trying to keep TNA from a venue is the rumours that WWE want Orlando as the home of a physical HOF but won't do it unless TNA doesn't tape there.

How does a fan get into ROH? Its one promotion I never found interesting when The Wrestling Channel was around.

Have you considered NJPW World, their version of the WWE Network?

ok so now you admit that it is a pure wrasslin show

FINALLY

no need toa rgue every point for sake of arguing.

You certainly have a weird way of reading posts.

thank you so much for your compliment hollie

Well no, that's not what I did. And I don't think you know what a pure wrestling show is if you honestly think that TNA is an example of it.