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Old 17-09-2015, 17:37
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It is sad news though they appear to think the money they make from international is enough to keep them going without domestic. I don't see how personally but maybe they can. It may be worth sticking it online for a small charge.

I think the bigger news is that Jarrett is out which (IMO) rules out Jarrett buying the company which is odd.
My hunch (and it is just a hunch!) is that Panda wont actually let TNA go completely bust, no matter what. It may end up operating out of a garden shed, but it's Dixie's baby & Bob isn't going to let it die.

TBH though, I think it has now ceased to be a relevant player in any way. A shame. As you know, I think it's had periods of being pretty good.
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Old 17-09-2015, 17:39
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TBH I think Panda/Bob just lets her do that or he'll have to find her a job at Panda and he knows how useless she is and doesn't trust her.
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Old 17-09-2015, 17:46
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TBH I think Panda/Bob just lets her do that or he'll have to find her a job at Panda and he knows how useless she is and doesn't trust her.
Again James, maybe i missed something but how do you know this? Do you own your own business? Cause if you don't, i don't see how you are in any position to make that comment or know any of that. I think i said the same thing some time ago also.


Everyone always has an opinion of what Dixie Carter should and shouldn't do yet pretty much all these people sit at homes or at the very most work a 9-5 job. They couldn't run a bath let alone run a business but of course.......silly me.......this is the rasslin business isn't it! Ah well then. Not exactly a fanbase worth trusting. If they told me it was raining outside i'd look out the window to double check.
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Old 17-09-2015, 18:27
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TBH I think Panda/Bob just lets her do that or he'll have to find her a job at Panda and he knows how useless she is and doesn't trust her.
The way she's run TNA, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
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Old 17-09-2015, 18:27
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Again James, maybe i missed something but how do you know this? Do you own your own business? Cause if you don't, i don't see how you are in any position to make that comment or know any of that. I think i said the same thing some time ago also.


Everyone always has an opinion of what Dixie Carter should and shouldn't do yet pretty much all these people sit at homes or at the very most work a 9-5 job. They couldn't run a bath let alone run a business but of course.......silly me.......this is the rasslin business isn't it! Ah well then. Not exactly a fanbase worth trusting. If they told me it was raining outside i'd look out the window to double check.
Hypocrite.
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Old 17-09-2015, 18:29
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Again James, maybe i missed something but how do you know this? Do you own your own business? Cause if you don't, i don't see how you are in any position to make that comment or know any of that. I think i said the same thing some time ago also.


Everyone always has an opinion of what Dixie Carter should and shouldn't do yet pretty much all these people sit at homes or at the very most work a 9-5 job. They couldn't run a bath let alone run a business but of course.......silly me.......this is the rasslin business isn't it! Ah well then. Not exactly a fanbase worth trusting. If they told me it was raining outside i'd look out the window to double check.
mentioned it in the wwe thread were everyone posts.
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Old 17-09-2015, 18:33
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My hunch (and it is just a hunch!) is that Panda wont actually let TNA go completely bust, no matter what. It may end up operating out of a garden shed, but it's Dixie's baby & Bob isn't going to let it die.

TBH though, I think it has now ceased to be a relevant player in any way. A shame. As you know, I think it's had periods of being pretty good.
I don't think Bob and Janice will let it go bust but I don't think it will remain under their ownership for much longer either. I don't think they will keep pumping money into a dead end which TNA probably is now. They can't possibly cut any more from the TNA budget. It's like a pet with terminal illness, it's kinder to let it go.

It is a shame, and I've said before my frustration with the position TNA is in is that I witnessed it when it was great and am annoyed at the shell it has become.

Just as an aside, not related to your post, I know people want to claim I want to see TNA die, I don't actively want it to die. I'm just past caring now. I care for the employees, not the company. If people actually think I'm sitting here waiting for the day it dies, they are mistaken. But I don't think Dixie deserves it to succeed. I'm not going to defend my position on TNA anymore. I think I've done it enough now.
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Old 17-09-2015, 18:42
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mentioned it in the wwe thread were everyone posts.
Great
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Old 17-09-2015, 22:21
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I don't think Bob and Janice will let it go bust but I don't think it will remain under their ownership for much longer either. I don't think they will keep pumping money into a dead end which TNA probably is now. They can't possibly cut any more from the TNA budget. It's like a pet with terminal illness, it's kinder to let it go.

It is a shame, and I've said before my frustration with the position TNA is in is that I witnessed it when it was great and am annoyed at the shell it has become.

Just as an aside, not related to your post, I know people want to claim I want to see TNA die, I don't actively want it to die. I'm just past caring now. I care for the employees, not the company. If people actually think I'm sitting here waiting for the day it dies, they are mistaken. But I don't think Dixie deserves it to succeed. I'm not going to defend my position on TNA anymore. I think I've done it enough now.
I never thought you wanted it to die! One poster said they wanted that, not you.

TBH I now share your view of being a little past caring. Aries leaving was a big downer for me. Out of those left now I only really rate Lashley & Roode.

EDIT: oh, and Spud
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Old 17-09-2015, 22:42
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I never thought you wanted it to die! One poster said they wanted that, not you.

TBH I now share your view of being a little past caring. Aries leaving was a big downer for me. Out of those left now I only really rate Lashley & Roode.

EDIT: oh, and Spud
Dixie's comment about building a brand really annoyed me to be honest, they've had 13 years to build a brand and did at one point have one. If you haven't built the basis of a brand in 13 years, 10 of which you've had national television exposure, you need to give up trying.

And her comments about getting criticism for having ex-WWE stars come in annoyed me too. For me, it's not that ex-WWE stars came in, it's that ex-WWE stars came in and decimated a roster of originals. And this is half of the problem, TNA doesn't have any big names to draw viewers in because the likes of AJ Styles and Samoa Joe were treated like crap for no reason at all. The two big names they have got in Angle and Jeff Hardy have tried to begin negotiations with WWE (Angle) or have publicly stated they want their final run to be with WWE (Hardy, and that's looking more likely now).

The potential was there, and we know we disagree a bit here, they tried to grasp that potential and they failed IMO. Their failure is, in my opinion, on them for the most part.

I actually wish WWE would come in and offer them an hour a week on the network (and I've said before WWE should look for other promotions to come onto the network) for say $30k a week just to give them one final chance at pulling something out of the bag, one final attempt to fill in the cracks of the foundations. I know it's not going to happen but, on the increasingly likely situation that they won't have a TV deal come January, we can all say they were given every opportunity.
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Old 17-09-2015, 23:30
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Add Germany and Austria to the countries where TNA has been dropped by their network.

They're in deep shit, to say the least.
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Old 18-09-2015, 00:00
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So TNA have gone from having a "multi year deal" with Destination America to only being contracted until the end of December?
Sure remember that Dixie specifically chose them over Spike because they were paying more money? TNA HAS NEVER BEEN CANCELLED!
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Old 18-09-2015, 00:02
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Add Germany and Austria to the countries where TNA has been dropped by their network.

They're in deep shit, to say the least.
I suppose that's an issue with signing deals with the same broadcasting group across the world.
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Old 18-09-2015, 00:02
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Again James, maybe i missed something but how do you know this? Do you own your own business? Cause if you don't, i don't see how you are in any position to make that comment or know any of that. I think i said the same thing some time ago also.


Everyone always has an opinion of what Dixie Carter should and shouldn't do yet pretty much all these people sit at homes or at the very most work a 9-5 job. They couldn't run a bath let alone run a business but of course.......silly me.......this is the rasslin business isn't it! Ah well then. Not exactly a fanbase worth trusting. If they told me it was raining outside i'd look out the window to double check.
Dixie Carter owns a business because her rich daddy bought one for her. She's an expert in sweet **** all. Like you.
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Old 18-09-2015, 00:07
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Excitement building at the York, PA Fair right now- http://imgur.com/Wc136sR
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Old 18-09-2015, 00:44
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The Wrestling Observer boarder at the York Fair TNA show says everybody around him got comps, no one he's spoken to appears to have paid to get in. I would have thought the racing pigs would have been more of a draw. http://i.imgur.com/YvBGPDi.jpg
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Old 18-09-2015, 10:09
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The Wrestling Observer boarder at the York Fair TNA show says everybody around him got comps, no one he's spoken to appears to have paid to get in. I would have thought the racing pigs would have been more of a draw. http://i.imgur.com/YvBGPDi.jpg
What do you want? This is reality.

Non-WWE wrestling is not a draw. Are you happy about it?
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Old 18-09-2015, 10:13
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What do you want? This is reality.

Non-WWE wrestling is not a draw. Are you happy about it?
ROH and other places get a paying crowed
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Old 18-09-2015, 11:48
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In the interest of fairness, that picture could have been taken in an interval
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Old 18-09-2015, 13:11
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ROH and other places get a paying crowed
But TNA, like countless televised promotions before them, would prefer a larger non-paying crowd.

Anyway, comparing TNA's viewership & attendance to ROH's is pointless. They're both, sadly, insignificant promotions going nowhere, scraping by.
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Old 18-09-2015, 13:20
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ROH, by figures I've seen online, aren't doing too badly for their size. The figures I'm posting are between January and August of the respective years. Total attendance in those months, the number of events in those months and the average attendance.

2013 - 15,000 [24] (Avg: 632)
2014 - 18,900 [21] (Avg: 900)
2015 - 29,100 [29] (Avg: 1003)
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Old 18-09-2015, 13:26
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ROH, by figures I've seen online, aren't doing too badly for their size. The figures I'm posting are between January and August of the respective years. Total attendance in those months, the number of events in those months and the average attendance.

2013 - 15,000 [24] (Avg: 632)
2014 - 18,900 [21] (Avg: 900)
2015 - 29,100 [29] (Avg: 1003)
But are they going anywhere? Are those numbers going to get any bigger? Does the company have any ambition to grow?

The problem with TNA now is that it feels like a dead end. But once, it had ambition, and that was exciting.

ROH to me has *always* felt like a dead end! Content to be a little promotion. Which is fair enough of course, but it doesn't excite me.
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Old 18-09-2015, 13:34
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But are they going anywhere? Are those numbers going to get any bigger? Does the company have any ambition to grow?

The problem with TNA now is that it feels like a dead end. But once, it had ambition, and that was exciting.

ROH to me has *always* felt like a dead end! Content to be a little promotion. Which is fair enough of course, but it doesn't excite me.
Well taking the first 24 events of 2015 and the 24 in 2013, it's grown by 8,329 so although the numbers are small, they are going up which means they are going somewhere.
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Old 18-09-2015, 16:40
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Saying that ROH is going nowhere is just untrue and seems like a round about way to justify TNA failure under the 'non-WWE wrestling doesn't draw' banner. They have growing attendances, WWE deem them enough of a threat to be going after them with NXT and they've announced a strengthened working relationship with NJPW which includes their first tour of Japan in a decade. Not bad for a go nowhere promotion.
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Old 19-09-2015, 03:18
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What do you want? This is reality.

Non-WWE wrestling is not a draw. Are you happy about it?
ICW has sold 4000 tickets for Grado v Drew Galloway on November 15th, and will probably sell out the 5000 capacity building & they don't have any tv bar the two BBC3 documentaries about them. PCW in Preston also draws well. Well run wrestling could still draw.
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