UK doesn't count. TNA could fill Wembley here and couldn't fill much smaller arenas in the US. There's a larger market for non-WWE wrestling here than the US.

I'm glad ROH's attendances are generally going up. But it needs to reach outside its purist wrestling audience to have any significance.

I have no interest in a TNA vs ROH flame war. I just stand by my points that a) posting images of half empty venues for non-WWE wrestling in the US is hardly news b) TNA once had ambitions to genuinely take on WWE, which I don't think ROH have. If they are going to prove me wrong though, great!

I don't think you have to have an ambition to take on WWE to be significant. Having ambition to take on the big boy is great but you can end up running yourself into the ground chasing that ambition.

The TNA picture is misleading and (obviously furthering my Pro-WWE and Anti-TNA stance) I gave it the same response as I did when some ECW guy posted a picture of WWE event that was obviously taken when the show wasn't actually running.

This was however TNA's first paid for event in America since January/February. You'd hope they'd draw a big crowd (for TNA's standards).

Is this the picture during the fourth match?

I'm not even going for a flame war, I don't watch ROH. It just seems clear to me that they are modestly growing and have been for a while.

Sadly I'm not at all surprised by the small crowd. Their only real draw left is Jeff.

I'm not surprised by it, frankly I'd have been more surprised if they had drawn a crowd. Just saying you'd hope to see a bigger crowd but I also think as I said earlier, I don't think that picture can be used as an accurate representation of the crowd.

Really? Jeff would be a reason for me not to attend, he and his awful wife who can't act for toffee.

Hopefully now Impacts on Sunday nights won't be filled for months now with seemingly endless possibly hour long (or does it just feel like it) documentaries about Jeff effing Jarrett and how wonderful he is and how he invented wrestling as we know it. Good grief I certainly won't miss them watching them almost made me want TNA to fold.

Speaking of which what possessed TNA and this threads biggest enemy Dixie Carter to give TV Screen time to Jeff and his GFW, why give their possibly biggest threat to their continued existence any help at all, was Jarrett blackmailing them or something, this was no doubt the biggest of the mistakes that Jarrett and Dixie have been droning about Dixie doing. Because the whole thing was just stupid.

I think he meant Jeff HARDY, not Jarrett.

ROH have announced some new TV deals. 3 new US stations and their first international deal in France.

Condition of the sale of Jarrett's stock back to Panda Energy?

If they thought they were ending why would they do him any favours.

There is rumours going around that Bob and Janice want to spin TNA off as its own company rather than a subsid of Panda Energy which would probably be easier when they own the whole business. Jarrett probably asked for promotion of his new show as a condition of the sale, it's not really doing Jarrett a favour, but doing Bob and Janice a favour by getting rid of Jarrett as they can now do what they want with the company.

Maybe even easier to sell it if they can sell all of it.

Dixie Carter knows wrestling is nothing without a TV and GFW have no TV deal in the USA which means they pose no competition. It's no different than any indie promotion in England running shows on the weekends. If GFW had a TV deal and a slot on TV no way would she have given them that publicity. It doesn't mean anything and look at WWE. They too have record low ratings just now. If there was ever a perfect time to give Jarrett what he wanted it was now when interest in professional wrestling is at an all time low and come a few months from now anyone that watches TNA will have long forgotten about the Jeff Jarrett angle.

Surely now they have had screen time they would be more likely to get a TV Deal which would pose a direct threat to TNA's existance what there is of it, that's why I was puzzled they let them on, or was I missing something.

There's the rising tides lifts all boats argument.

If GFW gets a TV deal it further increases the awareness and presence of wrestling within the entertainment industry and hopefully that rubs off on TNA to some degree. The more wrestling there is out there, the most chance the audience find it and become engaged with the industry as a whole. You also have the idea that GFW getting a TV deal gives TNA more cards to play with when it comes to their own TV negotiations. Other wrestling companies getting TV deals pushes the idea that wrestling is on the rise again and a valuable asset to a network.

Plus at this point TNA is desperate for attention and this likely seemed like the easiest way to get it.

I think any TV company Jeff Jarrett talks to would absolutely look at TNA and I'm sure behind the scenes they would find out exactly how much money Destination America pays them and how much they make out of ad revenue and see what kind of profit there is to be made from wrestling.

It's no different than Jeff running shows.

How much does the arena/venue cost to rent?
Are you going to pay for the flights/travel for talent or do they pay that themselves?
Are you going to pay for their hotel room for the night?
How much does it cost to transport the ring and any other equipment?
WIll you have security at the show, will you be using the venue's security or your own and if so how much do their wages cost?
Are you going to get merchandise made, T-shirts, posters etc? If so how much does that cost? What sizes will you make? S, M, L, XL, XXL? How many of each shirt? How much does it cost to print 1 t shirt? What posters? One group photo with the GFW logo or separate posters for separate stars? How many do you get made? How much does it cost?
What about your officials? Who's paying for their flights, hotel rooms?
Will you be paying for catering at the venue? How much does that cost?
Do you need to pay any additional fees or have insurance when you run a wrestling show?
Are you going to pay for a doctor to be in the building? How much does that cost?
They like doing the autograph sessions and picture oppertunities so what are they signing? 8x10s? How many of them do you get made, what do they cost? What about the polaroid camera?
Then your promotions. Your posters, your radio ads, your photo sessions with local media. How much does that cost?


All of that before you've even sold a ticket and then you maybe only get 500 tickets sold. is 500 tickets enough to cover all those costs? Cover your rent for the arena? Cover maybe, 10- 20 wrestlers flights there and flights home? Once you add in the officials and backstage workers, maybe 40-50 people in a hotel?



I would imagine any TV company being offered wrestling would look into all that and see if it's worth putting the money into it or not. They're not just going to give up their TV time for nothing. They will want to make sure Jeff and Karen Jarrett have enough money to do all that. Enough money to cover all those flights and hotel rooms and arenas fees and security and doctors and then the wrestlers wages! They're not working for nothing. You're talking at least $10,000 just to run one show and you might not even make that money back and if you're on TV you need to do that everyweek, another 10 grand, another 10 grand, and more and more and you need to keep doing and somehow make that money back and make a profit?

Can it be done? Well we'll soon see if GFW ends up on TV and they are forced to tape TV 52 weeks a year. We'll see how deep Jeff and Karen Jarrett's pockets are. Lets see if their roster gets paid on time and their bills are covered. It's not easy.

Finally a valuable contribution. Dixie should have read that 5 years ago.

As Jim Cornette once said, the best way to get a million dollars is to have 2 million dollars and start a wrestling company.

Just wondering: Challenge didn't say anything about Bound For Glory airing live on the channel next Sunday, isn't it?

What is happening with TNA?

According to spoiler tapings that took place in july they taped aload of matches which ended up being last weeks and this weeks programming.

I didnt see any tapings taking place in August or September so what happens next week?

Isnt there supposed to be some Lockdown winner takes all match happening?

that winner takes all was last week dave, and gfw lost ("lockdown" impact was 16/9 on DA 20/9 on challenge)
so this week (last night on challenge) was tna continuing on their own and building to the traditional style "bound for glory" ppv that occurs next weekend http://www.impactwrestling.com/bfg

however, "impact" doesnt seem to have had any tv time recorded for a structured show for a while and there is "nothing" to fill tv time either on challenge or DA (who are carrying impact until the end of 2015) other than "dark matches" recorded when they were recording the impact shows over the spring & summer... thus the rumour is impact will be made using those matches and some kind of linking commentary...

it isn't live on challenge... but it is listed for 9pm on wed 7th / oct on the epg (not series linked for those with vm and a tna series link) nearly all of the traditional format live tna ppvs were shown on the following wednesday... the last one being live was a 1 off it seems. (the ono ppvs seem to have been on a when they feel like it pattern which made it harder to remember that far back!)

so no doubt challenge will mention it during impact next sunday

They had a ticker thing at the bottom mentioning it this week.