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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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whedon247
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I must have missed the part where I said WWE were perfect

I'm saying TNA can't say they hold all talent to a high standard of conduct in a statement where they reinstate a man who admitted strangling his girlfriend and keeping her locked in a room. What do you have to do to have your standard of conduct considered low?

I'm holding TNA to the same standard of conduct I'd expect from WWE. If Randy Orton for example was arrested for spousal abuse, I'd expect him to be suspended and if he admitted to doing it released from his contract. Because that doesn't form a high standard of conduct.

My issue is with TNA claiming a high standard of conduct whilst reinstating a man that showed anything but.”

maybe it was self defence and charlotte hit him first? any details been released?
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“maybe it was self defence and charlotte hit him first? any details been released?”

Just that he admitted strangling his girlfriend (it's not Charlotte btw, they're divorced) and refusing to let him leave her bedroom.
whedon247
20-10-2015
ahh ok, hes a good wrestler mind, idiotic thing to do.

i get feeling charlotte is annoying and has ego like her dad, i wonde rif she will have divorce after divorce too?
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
Well she is on divorce #2 already lol.
whedon247
20-10-2015
blimey!!! whats wrong with flairs!

think david is happily married at least
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
I think they just do it for the gifts.
AlexiR
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I still dont see why they couldnt have just let Matt keep the belt and lead up to a rematch on Impact.”

Because they have no TV tapings lined up.

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“My issue is with TNA claiming a high standard of conduct whilst reinstating a man that showed anything but.”

This is one of those instances where TNA would have just been better to say nothing and quietly reinstate Bram. They get literally nothing from doing it quite as publicly as they have. Of course its worth remembering that this is the same company that hired Jeff Hardy after he'd been arrested for drug trafficking so...
whedon247
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I think they just do it for the gifts.”

ha i bet arn anderson has paid a fortune in that respect!
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“This is one of those instances where TNA would have just been better to say nothing and quietly reinstate Bram. They get literally nothing from doing it quite as publicly as they have. Of course its worth remembering that this is the same company that hired Jeff Hardy after he'd been arrested for drug trafficking so...”

Exactly. Who would have noticed his suspension anyway? He was on TV for most of it lol. I certainly wouldn't be bothered if they hadn't made a point of saying they hold talent to a high standard of conduct lol. Just a stupid statement.
homer2012
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“because heyman has a great track record of running small wrestling promotions...”

This!

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I'd say he has a greater track record to running the creative side of a business than Dixie has shown. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust him to pay me at the end of the month but then I wouldn't really trust Dixie too either ”

dave_windows
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Because he wouldn't be champion on the episodes of Impact because they were filmed in July. There's no way, well they could have actually done the smart thing and taped the BFG aftermath AFTER BFG, with the TNA tapings they have Hardy could have continued as champion.”

Thats TNA's problem for filming in advance.

Either film something live or dont do the title change.
ags_rule
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Of course its worth remembering that this is the same company that hired Jeff Hardy after he'd been arrested for drug trafficking so...”

Oh please, WWE just hyped to the moon and back a podcast delivered by a convicted domestic abuser.

Money talks, in both cases, and looking at it from a business perspective, one can hardly say that TNA taking on Jeff Hardy, or WWE continuing a relationship with Austin, have worked out badly.
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Oh please, WWE just hyped to the moon and back a podcast delivered by a convicted domestic abuser.

Money talks, in both cases, and looking at it from a business perspective, one can hardly say that TNA taking on Jeff Hardy, or WWE continuing a relationship with Austin, have worked out badly.”

To be fair, this is a point Alexi made last night
seibu
20-10-2015
There's no point getting into ethics / morality and the wrestling business. Money will be prioritised every time. If somebody is cut loose after screwing up it's because it's the smart move to make more money in the medium to long term. If their earning power outweighs their screw up a way will be found to keep them around. Much like the vast majority of businesses, actually!
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
But there is a point to discussing a company pretending to have morals and then dumping all over them in the same statement.
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
In other news, James Storm has tweeted that he didn't know anything about the TNA World Series when he taped the matches.
AlexiR
20-10-2015
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Oh please, WWE just hyped to the moon and back a podcast delivered by a convicted domestic abuser.

Money talks, in both cases, and looking at it from a business perspective, one can hardly say that TNA taking on Jeff Hardy, or WWE continuing a relationship with Austin, have worked out badly.”

Actually I would suggest its very easy to construct an argument that hiring Jeff Hardy worked out badly for TNA or at least hasn't worked out well.

Beyond that I made the Austin/WWE point last night. I don't, for various reasons, think that's a particularly strong comparison point for the Jeff Hardy situation which really does amount to one of the single most stupid things TNA have ever done. And that isn't hyperbole on my part I really do think it was that stupid.
Hollie_Louise
20-10-2015
Wow, that's got some big competition too
JCR
21-10-2015
Expecting high moral standards from wrestling promoters is a fools errand. Dare I mention it again, but back in 83 WWF were pushing J Snuka, a man they knew was violent with women to the point that most believe he murdered his girlfriend, as their number 1 babyface.

People are willing to ignore anything if there's substantial money at stake. Hell, I'm sure UFC will push Jon Jones as a face on his first fight back.
JCR
21-10-2015
In other news 4000 (alas the 5k figure previously quoted was a work) people have paid £28 for ICW Fear & Loathing 8, making Grado the biggest draw in British wrestling since Big Daddy circa 1981.


IT'S YERSEL.
orangeballoon
21-10-2015
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orangeballoon
21-10-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Thats TNA's problem for filming in advance.

Either film something live or dont do the title change.”

then that leads to a ppv where there is no chance of a twist... who would pay to see that? and if many people know its all filmed in the summer, then we would know ec3 never loses his title this year... so impact loses a reason to watch... lastly, i wonder how many people on the bfg ppv were signed up for that ppv back in july... so again, you are filming in july for the results of a ppv you dont fully know who will be on it..

tna would have, either way ended up with no storyline for the next couple of months. they were not in a position to film anything. so if you think of it that way, they now have a patched together storyline using dark matches filmed months ago, with things they film for links more recently.. to keep something looking relevant until they have a new tv deal to build into and a paying tour to give them something to film (india & uk etc)

this isnt such a bad storyline, although not ideal, when you look at what lego bricks they had left to build with...

on top of that, you don't know what wrestlers will still be with them come the "next phase" again, something they can sort with the league ( they could for exampel make any match a score or not by simply saying a in ring win was cancelled out on some later judgement twist... or a one sided conversation with a sneaky camera filming of dixie "sacking someone" over the phone where the other party isnt seen or heard...
so even with the matches filmed there are lots of easy tweaks they can quickly film to link things together in a "twist" and not equal what was originally filmed.

lastly... ec3 & hardy now have a strong personal feud that can be used come the new tv deal...

so its not a bad rescue from what is an awful place.. they have something to tread water with (as long as not to many marks care who has absolutely no chance of winning!) and they have a viable "we are back feud" or two ready to build on when they get a new network.

the cost of weekly shows is huge. tna do not seem to be drawing on their house shows (although if they said it was for tv that might have been different).. but instead of having to pay wrestlers travel (google what "del rio" Rodríguez said last week was the expected in standard "indy" bookings for his caliber - "business class" travel etc).. so instead of weekly travel and hotel/food bills... they can do months of filming in just a week.. which is a massive saving... and that includes all the tv stuff much of which will be rented equipment and part time production staff who work various shows like the wrestlers between tna bookings (and by massive i mean massive)... so until they have a network and unless they can draw crowds to their events, they will batch film well in advance.
seibu
21-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But there is a point to discussing a company pretending to have morals and then dumping all over them in the same statement.”

All companies pretend to have morals, and all companies dump on them at a moment's notice for money. Shareholder-owned companies like WWE are actually at risk of hostile takeover if they don't show that they are doing everything they can to make money at all times. That's capitalism. TNA is not a special case.
seibu
21-10-2015
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Actually I would suggest its very easy to construct an argument that hiring Jeff Hardy worked out badly for TNA or at least hasn't worked out well. ”

Um. But Jeff was TNA's biggest draw for years. At all of the TNA event's I've attended, 90% of the kids there had Jeff Hardy merch or were dressed up as him (or Willow), and that's despite the fact he wasn't even at those shows! He's a massive star, he's the only reason my partner will even watch TNA.
whedon247
21-10-2015
lol tna haters live in this thread now
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