WWE isn't at that much risk from hostile takeovers because the McMahon's own something like 93% of the voting stock. Going from various reports, if anybody other than McMahon's buy the Class B (voting) shares, they are automatically converted to Class A (non-voting) shares

And I'll repeat, if WWE put out a statement saying they hold all talent to a high standard of conduct and then had the cheek to reinstate somebody who had shown anything other than a high standard of conduct when he or she admitted throttling his or her partner, my response would be exactly the same.

Why don't you actually name the TNA haters so they can defend themselves?

And remind me where is the TNA business right now and where has it been for several years?

Suprised TNA havent put the title on him.

the question is why do women fancy jeff hardy so much?

They did and it led to Victory Road 2011

I did kinda fancy Jeff back in the day but I think it was more because he was all high flying and dangerous and shizz than his actual looks lol

They don't seem to have enough TV booked as they've announced they are giving away the BFG main event for free on tonight's show. I'd have thought it would have been better to air that BEFORE the World Title Series?

they either havent got enough footage and needed a real headliner or/and they are worried about the initial ratings drift and are trying to pick up interest... i am glad i didnt have to pay for the ppv if large chunks of it then get shown anyway...

No I mean recently.

Victory Road 2011 was inexcusable and a disaster. Everybody agrees on that.

BUT did it have any wide reaching, catastrophic, long-term consequences?

The answer, is quite simply, no.

Some people seem to equate VR 2011 with Starrcade 1997 or the Fingerpoke of Doom, which is ludicrous. Far from halting TNA's momentum, they would actually go on to have some of their highest ratings from 2011-2013. The nosedive in ratings only really started when Russo left (let's not open up that particular can of worms as to cause and effect, but it is a fact that is when the downward trend in ratings started and has never been reversed).

Seibu is absolutely right. Jeff Hardy was TNA's biggest draw for years - they had a guy who was one of the hottest properties in WWE right at his peak (Hardy is the same age as Cena) and marketed him as such. Drug issues aside, which in REAL TERMS only had an impact on one match at one PPV, Hardy - by ALL accounts - came back after that clean as a whistle and worked some very successful programs with the likes of Angle, Roode and Aries.

of course ratings dropped when russo left, same thing happened when he left wwf and wcw

lol but some say but dirtsheets say different and i must follow haha

And that's Jeff Hardy's fault?? Seriously?

Alexi, am I right in thinking you have a problem with Hardy? A bit like your problem with TNA?

You're a really smart and knowledgeable poster (much more so than me), but there are these certain things you seem to have a vendetta about eg. refuting *any* positive interpretation of TNA / being unable to give Jeff Hardy any credit. Did Jeff & Dixie run over your dog?

Seriously though if they did that's awful and I fully understand.

why do you bother seibu? lifes too short

some people will always be negative for the rest of their lives.

thank god you wernt born like that, i do everyday

Totally. From a commercial point of view VR2011 did TNA no damage whatsoever. It offended the purists, and it wasn't really a wrestling match, but as a talking point and WTF moment that main event is amazing.

Really, it's becoming clear that the period which the purists hate was TNA's commercial golden age. I personally really enjoyed it too. Shame it was never financially sustainable (Panda footing salaries TNA simply wasn't making enough to meet themselves), but it was a blast at the time.

Once Russo pissed up WCW during his run I found it very hard to enjoy WCW because of the damage he had done.

Buddy Rogers, who was Snuka's next door neighbour and & at one point his on screen manager said in 1992 just before he died-

That doesn't change that Snuka is still only alleged to have murdered her.

There is quite a lot of evidence that "she fell" is an unlikely explanation for her death is all.

I'm not making any judgement either way

And did I say that Victory Road '11 had far reaching consequences?

Someone asked why TNA hadn't put the title on Hardy and I pointed out that when they've tried it previously it led to the full on disaster that was Victory Road '11 so its not hard to understand why they might be gun shy on that particularly plan. Its also worth pointing out that they tried it again in 2012 and it didn't really work commercially.


This is somewhat misleading.

I will however point out that WCW business didn't immediately collapse after Starcade '97 (or the Finger Poke of Doom). These are moments that people add a lot of weight to in hindsight.


Only this isn't true. Jeff Hardy's issues with drugs (and specifically the legal issues that resulted from them) had much wider impact on TNA than one match on one show.




"Um. But Jeff was TNA's biggest draw for years."

In light of that statement (made by you) how is the state of TNA's business not relevant? If the big selling point in favour of signing Jeff Hardy is that he's a big draw then surely the fact that TNA have an awful track of selling tickets and drawing audiences is relevant. You can't hold someone up as the big draw of a company and then absolve them of all responsibility for how their business is doing.


I have a “problem” with Jeff Hardy because I think TNA hiring a guy who had been arrested for drug trafficking and a search of his home had resulted in the discovery of a huge stash of drugs was stupid beyond belief? Made even more stupid that they hired the guy and made him a big focus just as they were trying to make a push for more/bigger mainstream attention. That Jeff Hardy got clean is great but it does not change the fact that TNA hired him knowing he had serious drug problems and that he was facing serious legal issues relating to that problem.

And for the record I'll give TNA, Jeff Hardy or anyone else credit for something positive when they do something positive that's worth giving credit for.

this weeks impact was poor... the lack of showing the full league matches suggests some of the dark matches they have used to patch together the rescue storyline were too poor to show... filling the show with seen footage got boring when they did it before.

Which happened in the 1980s.

Its a bit of a weird situation really. On paper I really like the idea of the title tournament. It potentially gives their television product a very different and focused feel to what we'd get with WWE - its focused exclusively on the in-ring competition and the quest to become World Champion which is at least something. The problem of course is that they've obviously just cobbled all of this together with whatever they happened to have laying around so its not exactly working. Its a shame really because I think there's a good idea here.

I need to watch an Impact. I've read about this, but never actually seen it in execution.