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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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Hollie_Louise
19-11-2015
Well I suppose congratulations are in order. They do need to look at some serious issues though. They really need to address how to they do tapings, it simply isn't good enough to botch together a World Title tournament using four or five month old matches. Just hold a TV taping the night after the PPV for Christ sake.

I hope it works out better than Destination America did, I hope they haven't taken another pay cut but the plaster appears to still be sticking. Please just use this new opportunity to address the massive issues there are.
lister
19-11-2015
As of July 2015 Destination America was in 56,426,000 American houses with TV (48.5%)

POP is available in 74,618,000 (64.1%)

SPIKE TV available in 92,232,000 (79.2%)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-of-july-2015/

So at least Impact Wrestling is going to be available to more houses again.
JCR
19-11-2015
Originally Posted by lister:
“As of July 2015 Destination America was in 56,426,000 American houses with TV (48.5%)

POP is available in 74,618,000 (64.1%)

SPIKE TV available in 92,232,000 (79.2%)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-of-july-2015/

So at least Impact Wrestling is going to be available to more houses again.”

POP is apparently an odd fit for them, it being largely comprised of reality shows & soap operas, and it seems they only had one episode of one of their original shows go above 200 thousand viewers this year.

TNA of course, will go on till the point Bob Carter has had enough, which seems to be not yet.
dave_windows
20-11-2015
So what was this countdown thing about? Just to announce POP taking on TNA?
kwynne42
20-11-2015
So when does this threads next campaign to try and convince everybody that TNA is dooooommmed start then bearing in mind people here have tried to get it killed for 3 years at least now heh.
JasonWatkins
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“So when does this threads next campaign to try and convince everybody that TNA is dooooommmed start then bearing in mind people here have tried to get it killed for 3 years at least now heh.”

It's not just this thread - it's been a staple of the so-called "IWC" for almost as long as TNA has been in business that they're "dead" or mere weeks away from demise.

If, and when, they finally do close, you'll almost certainly get people claiming they "told you so", even though they'll have likely been saying the same thing every month for over a decade ..
James Frederick
20-11-2015
This time even the TNA die hard fans thought it was over.

And lets face it if it wasn't for Mummy and Daddy bailing them out all the time TNA would have died about 8 years ago.

ECW would still be around if it was backed by millionaire parents.

WCW would still be alive if Turner was in full charge.
kwynne42
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“It's not just this thread - it's been a staple of the so-called "IWC" for almost as long as TNA has been in business that they're "dead" or mere weeks away from demise.

If, and when, they finally do close, you'll almost certainly get people claiming they "told you so", even though they'll have likely been saying the same thing every month for over a decade ..”

Yes i've been here since it started being shown on challenge which I think is 5 years now and people have been claiming it wouldn't last the week/month/year, them constantly being wrong makes it difficult to take them seriously anything they say
Hollie_Louise
20-11-2015
Come on now, look at the state of it. Is it any surprise people think its on its last legs?

Even Seibu, one of this threads most active posters and TNA supporter, has said they think it is over for TNA. It's not all about haters, its about looking at a company that holds a maximum of 10 or 11 paid shows in a year, cancels the tours they do have, minimal TV tapings, talent leaving left right and centre and being critical of the way the company is run, television taped four or five months before its aired.

It may have a new TV deal, and well done for getting it, but lets not pretend that TNA is somehow this thriving hub of success. The doctor just ruled the life support shouldn't be turned off and unless they address the issues they have, it will just continue to go along in this way
James Frederick
20-11-2015
Doing TV tapings like that also has other issues.

Look at Jeff Hardy for legal reasons he's not allowed in the UK so when they do their UK tapings he has to get written out for about 4 months every year.

So one of their biggest names who is a active member and is fit for work has to take almost half a year off screen.

Yes in WWE he would be off screen for ONE Raw two times a year.
ags_rule
20-11-2015
To be fair to TNA, the TV taping schedule was largely because they didn't have a new TV home - it allowed them to pay all their talent at once and save money for the possible rainy day of not getting a new TV deal before the old one expired.

Did it make for good TV? Absolutely not. But, from a business point-of-view, they had to do it. Making it a generic World Title tournament was a good way of allowing them to press the reset button when they move to a new network as well by re-introducing character and story arcs.
Lee_Smith2
20-11-2015
Defunct or not, it's difficult to take seriously a promotion which hasn't promoted a show for nearly two months. I can't see them ever gaining enough momentum to recover from the aftermath of the Spike TV axing and the increasingly lower revenue will mean even fewer expensive talents.

If they settle for a operation similar in scale to Lucha Underground or EVOLVE than they could be an asset to the industry. Taped blocks and iPPVs is the way to go. Unlike those two promotions they haven't got correct mindset yet as seen by the wacky title tournament and cancellations. Still, 2005 - 2010 seems like a long time ago now.
James Frederick
21-11-2015
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“To be fair to TNA, the TV taping schedule was largely because they didn't have a new TV home - it allowed them to pay all their talent at once and save money for the possible rainy day of not getting a new TV deal before the old one expired.

Did it make for good TV? Absolutely not. But, from a business point-of-view, they had to do it. Making it a generic World Title tournament was a good way of allowing them to press the reset button when they move to a new network as well by re-introducing character and story arcs.”

They should just have pressed the reset button.

Vacated all titles and storylines for rest of the year show best off shows.

Then spend that 3 months working out actual storylines and the way forwards.

New Year New Network New Start.
dave_windows
21-11-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“This time even the TNA die hard fans thought it was over.

And lets face it if it wasn't for Mummy and Daddy bailing them out all the time TNA would have died about 8 years ago.

ECW would still be around if it was backed by millionaire parents.

WCW would still be alive if Turner was in full charge.”

Why cant Dixie stand on her own feet without the parents keep bailing her out?

If Turner was in charge most yes WCW would be alive today.
orangeballoon
21-11-2015
wwe clearly use NXT to kill off the competition by offering an alternative style show & tie up the better known talent
NXT will never be a strong internal competition for WWE because the "cash cow" will never be allowed to be threatened by the offshoot... so when NXT gets too big or too popular it has to be watered down to protect the main show...
batdude_uk1
22-11-2015
I am presuming that the American Pop channel, is not the same as the one over here, as here it seems to be a pre-school kids animated channel!
dave_windows
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“wwe clearly use NXT to kill off the competition by offering an alternative style show & tie up the better known talent
NXT will never be a strong internal competition for WWE because the "cash cow" will never be allowed to be threatened by the offshoot... so when NXT gets too big or too popular it has to be watered down to protect the main show...”

NXT will never be WWE though. I mean if you replaced Raw & SD stars with just the NXT roster not sure how long it would last.
orangeballoon
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“NXT will never be WWE though. I mean if you replaced Raw & SD stars with just the NXT roster not sure how long it would last.”

that wasnt the point dw... it never could be. for the same reason the wwe's attempt to replicate the rivalry between turner's wcw nitro & their raw with the smackdown v raw or wwe wcw, wwe ecw v wwe brand extensions.. (and they were brand extensions not just storylines... ones designed to fill all the ppv slots and pretend there was competition between the sister brands like there was real competition between them under their other ownership...

but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work.
dave_windows
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“that wasnt the point dw... it never could be. for the same reason the wwe's attempt to replicate the rivalry between turner's wcw nitro & their raw with the smackdown v raw or wwe wcw, wwe ecw v wwe brand extensions.. (and they were brand extensions not just storylines... ones designed to fill all the ppv slots and pretend there was competition between the sister brands like there was real competition between them under their other ownership...

but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work.”

One will presume though once Cena, Taker and those other top stars are gone NXT guys will be the only thing left.
Lee_Smith2
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“that wasnt the point dw... it never could be. for the same reason the wwe's attempt to replicate the rivalry between turner's wcw nitro & their raw with the smackdown v raw or wwe wcw, wwe ecw v wwe brand extensions.. (and they were brand extensions not just storylines... ones designed to fill all the ppv slots and pretend there was competition between the sister brands like there was real competition between them under their other ownership...

but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work.”

The only way NXT would become serious competition to WWE is if Stephanie replaced her father as the head of the board and her husband concentrated solely on it. A friendly rivalry if you like, but even then it wouldn't work despite his lofty ambitions of NXT becoming the new WCW. Under the current structure it doesn't have the variety, exposure - although that could change - or money to become anything other than niche. By design the best talents move on to Raw, which is become more dated by the year. This keeps it constantly fresh though because you anticipate the new acts to be brought it, but also keeps it in its place.

It's actually quite clever what they've done with the feeder system, which only really started in WWE in 1998 and didn't kick in until 2/3 years later. At the same time, WWE is such an animal that something like TNA or ROH will never threaten it in any way. Like ECW, USWA and SMW in the 90's, they do compliment it massively via being a breeding ground for new talent and being completely independent from Vince McMahon input. In an ideal world they would give TNA a 60 minute weekly slot on their network.
tomee
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Doing TV tapings like that also has other issues.

Look at Jeff Hardy for legal reasons he's not allowed in the UK so when they do their UK tapings he has to get written out for about 4 months every year.

So one of their biggest names who is a active member and is fit for work has to take almost half a year off screen.

Yes in WWE he would be off screen for ONE Raw two times a year.”

Yea tna dose 6 impact taping in the UK so that six week not four months.
Hollie_Louise
26-11-2015
The tour of India has been...... Cancelled. Supposed to be the location of several ONO tapings and World Title Series semi finals, it has now been cancelled due to safety and logistics concerns.
JCR
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“The tour of India has been...... Cancelled. Supposed to be the location of several ONO tapings and World Title Series semi finals, it has now been cancelled due to safety and logistics concerns.”

The safety concerns were reportedly having to change planes in Paris.

Oh, TNA, never change.
orangeballoon
27-11-2015
actually you cant blame them... the insurance costs will have changed and you dont know the political mixes of the areas they were going to
dave_windows
27-11-2015
The only thing that would make the tournament better if if Carter got knocked out of it.
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