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Well I suppose congratulations are in order. They do need to look at some serious issues though. They really need to address how to they do tapings, it simply isn't good enough to botch together a World Title tournament using four or five month old matches. Just hold a TV taping the night after the PPV for Christ sake.
I hope it works out better than Destination America did, I hope they haven't taken another pay cut but the plaster appears to still be sticking. Please just use this new opportunity to address the massive issues there are. |
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As of July 2015 Destination America was in 56,426,000 American houses with TV (48.5%)
POP is available in 74,618,000 (64.1%) SPIKE TV available in 92,232,000 (79.2%) http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-of-july-2015/ So at least Impact Wrestling is going to be available to more houses again. |
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As of July 2015 Destination America was in 56,426,000 American houses with TV (48.5%)
POP is available in 74,618,000 (64.1%) SPIKE TV available in 92,232,000 (79.2%) http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-of-july-2015/ So at least Impact Wrestling is going to be available to more houses again. TNA of course, will go on till the point Bob Carter has had enough, which seems to be not yet. |
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So what was this countdown thing about? Just to announce POP taking on TNA?
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So when does this threads next campaign to try and convince everybody that TNA is dooooommmed start then
bearing in mind people here have tried to get it killed for 3 years at least now heh.
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So when does this threads next campaign to try and convince everybody that TNA is dooooommmed start then
bearing in mind people here have tried to get it killed for 3 years at least now heh.If, and when, they finally do close, you'll almost certainly get people claiming they "told you so", even though they'll have likely been saying the same thing every month for over a decade .. |
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This time even the TNA die hard fans thought it was over.
And lets face it if it wasn't for Mummy and Daddy bailing them out all the time TNA would have died about 8 years ago. ECW would still be around if it was backed by millionaire parents. WCW would still be alive if Turner was in full charge. |
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It's not just this thread - it's been a staple of the so-called "IWC" for almost as long as TNA has been in business that they're "dead" or mere weeks away from demise.
If, and when, they finally do close, you'll almost certainly get people claiming they "told you so", even though they'll have likely been saying the same thing every month for over a decade ..
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Come on now, look at the state of it. Is it any surprise people think its on its last legs?
Even Seibu, one of this threads most active posters and TNA supporter, has said they think it is over for TNA. It's not all about haters, its about looking at a company that holds a maximum of 10 or 11 paid shows in a year, cancels the tours they do have, minimal TV tapings, talent leaving left right and centre and being critical of the way the company is run, television taped four or five months before its aired. It may have a new TV deal, and well done for getting it, but lets not pretend that TNA is somehow this thriving hub of success. The doctor just ruled the life support shouldn't be turned off and unless they address the issues they have, it will just continue to go along in this way |
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Doing TV tapings like that also has other issues.
Look at Jeff Hardy for legal reasons he's not allowed in the UK so when they do their UK tapings he has to get written out for about 4 months every year. So one of their biggest names who is a active member and is fit for work has to take almost half a year off screen. Yes in WWE he would be off screen for ONE Raw two times a year. |
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To be fair to TNA, the TV taping schedule was largely because they didn't have a new TV home - it allowed them to pay all their talent at once and save money for the possible rainy day of not getting a new TV deal before the old one expired.
Did it make for good TV? Absolutely not. But, from a business point-of-view, they had to do it. Making it a generic World Title tournament was a good way of allowing them to press the reset button when they move to a new network as well by re-introducing character and story arcs. |
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Defunct or not, it's difficult to take seriously a promotion which hasn't promoted a show for nearly two months. I can't see them ever gaining enough momentum to recover from the aftermath of the Spike TV axing and the increasingly lower revenue will mean even fewer expensive talents.
If they settle for a operation similar in scale to Lucha Underground or EVOLVE than they could be an asset to the industry. Taped blocks and iPPVs is the way to go. Unlike those two promotions they haven't got correct mindset yet as seen by the wacky title tournament and cancellations. Still, 2005 - 2010 seems like a long time ago now. |
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To be fair to TNA, the TV taping schedule was largely because they didn't have a new TV home - it allowed them to pay all their talent at once and save money for the possible rainy day of not getting a new TV deal before the old one expired.
Did it make for good TV? Absolutely not. But, from a business point-of-view, they had to do it. Making it a generic World Title tournament was a good way of allowing them to press the reset button when they move to a new network as well by re-introducing character and story arcs. Vacated all titles and storylines for rest of the year show best off shows. Then spend that 3 months working out actual storylines and the way forwards. New Year New Network New Start. |
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This time even the TNA die hard fans thought it was over.
And lets face it if it wasn't for Mummy and Daddy bailing them out all the time TNA would have died about 8 years ago. ECW would still be around if it was backed by millionaire parents. WCW would still be alive if Turner was in full charge. If Turner was in charge most yes WCW would be alive today. |
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wwe clearly use NXT to kill off the competition by offering an alternative style show & tie up the better known talent
NXT will never be a strong internal competition for WWE because the "cash cow" will never be allowed to be threatened by the offshoot... so when NXT gets too big or too popular it has to be watered down to protect the main show... |
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I am presuming that the American Pop channel, is not the same as the one over here, as here it seems to be a pre-school kids animated channel!
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wwe clearly use NXT to kill off the competition by offering an alternative style show & tie up the better known talent
NXT will never be a strong internal competition for WWE because the "cash cow" will never be allowed to be threatened by the offshoot... so when NXT gets too big or too popular it has to be watered down to protect the main show... |
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NXT will never be WWE though. I mean if you replaced Raw & SD stars with just the NXT roster not sure how long it would last.
but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work. |
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that wasnt the point dw... it never could be. for the same reason the wwe's attempt to replicate the rivalry between turner's wcw nitro & their raw with the smackdown v raw or wwe wcw, wwe ecw v wwe brand extensions.. (and they were brand extensions not just storylines... ones designed to fill all the ppv slots and pretend there was competition between the sister brands like there was real competition between them under their other ownership...
but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work. |
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that wasnt the point dw... it never could be. for the same reason the wwe's attempt to replicate the rivalry between turner's wcw nitro & their raw with the smackdown v raw or wwe wcw, wwe ecw v wwe brand extensions.. (and they were brand extensions not just storylines... ones designed to fill all the ppv slots and pretend there was competition between the sister brands like there was real competition between them under their other ownership...
but the parent company will never allow one sub-brand to rise above the other unless it is a "burning platform" (you will see this in shampoo where the leading brand may fall so far out of fashion it's owner has no option other than to promote another brand it owns to the top slot push)... so whenever nxt gets an edge over wwe for viewers it has to be watered down or stopped in case it does lasting damage to raw before raw loses its advantage... trends can be very corrosive.. so even if raw was 75% and NXT 25% od profits, if raw loses too much before NXT is compensating its a trend that can crack through the business with no guarantee the sister will replace the other rather than a 3rd party... and in the mass entertainment industry raw is not in competition with TNA or other wrestling companies but everything else on tv, everything else basically you can do with your free time.. and so the risk of damage to the cash cow will never be allowed through internal competition.. hence why the competition between wwe brands always looks fake, because it is scripted and designed not to really work. It's actually quite clever what they've done with the feeder system, which only really started in WWE in 1998 and didn't kick in until 2/3 years later. At the same time, WWE is such an animal that something like TNA or ROH will never threaten it in any way. Like ECW, USWA and SMW in the 90's, they do compliment it massively via being a breeding ground for new talent and being completely independent from Vince McMahon input. In an ideal world they would give TNA a 60 minute weekly slot on their network. |
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Doing TV tapings like that also has other issues.
Look at Jeff Hardy for legal reasons he's not allowed in the UK so when they do their UK tapings he has to get written out for about 4 months every year. So one of their biggest names who is a active member and is fit for work has to take almost half a year off screen. Yes in WWE he would be off screen for ONE Raw two times a year. |
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The tour of India has been...... Cancelled. Supposed to be the location of several ONO tapings and World Title Series semi finals, it has now been cancelled due to safety and logistics concerns.
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The tour of India has been...... Cancelled. Supposed to be the location of several ONO tapings and World Title Series semi finals, it has now been cancelled due to safety and logistics concerns.
Oh, TNA, never change. |
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actually you cant blame them... the insurance costs will have changed and you dont know the political mixes of the areas they were going to
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The only thing that would make the tournament better if if Carter got knocked out of it.
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bearing in mind people here have tried to get it killed for 3 years at least now heh.