Who hates TNA?

Come now, Hollie, you know as well as I do that TNA don't do the house show circuit. Their live tapings generally do pretty well and certainly draw more than ROH.

I think some posters would have more respect for the anti-TNA brigade if they, you know, just admitted they didn't like the company. Say what you will about hazy but at least he is honest in his dislike of WWE.

Is that an answer to my question?

And you know as well as I do that ROH don't tour the UK.

The UK tour is a positive and negative thing. Good that TNA were able to get several thousand people through the doors for multiple UK dates. The negative is that the number of people has dropped year on year from when they started the January tour a few years back.

I used to hate TNA because I thought they were actively detrimental to the wrestling business and exploited their staff even worse than WWE do (who I also have a level of hatred towards on an institutional level) but now they're just a sad irrelevance, I'm not sure what the point is.

But the idea that Lucha Underground is a bigger promotion than ROH is frankly ludicrous.

As a wrestling fan, hating any wrestling company given the state of the industry in 2016 is completely insane.

In what possible way was having a viable number two company detrimental to the business?!

For the first time since wCw you had top stars, at or close to their peak - such as Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Christian - choosing another company over WWE.

TNA unfortunately no longer has that sort of pulling power but there is no doubt that for a time they were a very attractive alternative to WWE for a lot of wrestlers - namely those who wanted a big pay day but without the touring rigours of WWE and a nice, cosy base in Florida.

I'm also not really sure where the exploitation of their stars is coming from. They have a far, far better track record in this regard than WWE.

IMO the anti-TNA brigade betray their motives by the fact they're more critical of TNA when it's doing well, and lay off when it's doing badly. There's very little criticism of TNA now, compared to the years when it looked like there was a remote possibility it could one day threaten WWE.

Watching them fawn over former TNA wrestlers do a fraction of their movesets in NXT or WWE, when they wouldn't watch them in TNA, is also irksome.

Trevor Lee.

Looks like someone put Bram on the wash on boil setting.

In the US they still have to tarp off some of the arena and keep the lights off and that is in the Impact Arena what is Free to get it.

They just a few months ago had to cancel a tour as they didn't sell enough tickets.

Watching.

WWWE/NXT.
ROH.
NJPW
NOAH
AJPW
Dragon Gate
CMLL
AAA
LU
Shimmer

and more TNA is by far the worse out of them all the only company they are better than is CZW

You know there are so many inaccuracies in this post I don't even know where to start.

You know what the funny thing is though? I'm here defending a product I haven't watched in about a year. TNA let too many of their top talent go. But I'm defending the product against blatant nonsense like AJ Styles being a company jobber or ROH being a bigger promotion, simply because WWE fans have an ingrained hatred of the TNA product.

Here's a pipebomb for ya - drop the WWE from NXT and you've got just another Indy promotion. With worse wrestling than most of them.

I think James is very innocent in that he really is into the wrestling. It's like Harris. Harris with no joking around said he wanted Kane to be the WWE Champion again and wanted to see Randy Orton wrestle anyone because he likes his look and his entrance music.


You need to digest. Both grown men, it's so innocent that you can never argue any point or win any argument. I wish i could do that. I wish i could, as an adult now act like a 10 year old and want to see someone wrestle cause their muscles are big lol or James with...........i can only imagine he loves just watching the moves. I wish I could be like that again but I can't. Life has forced me to grow up and live in the real world.


If James really does watch all those promotions and believe me i've no reason to doubt it, he must have some amount of alone time to himself to sit and watch all those hours of wrestling and the alarm bells should start ringing. Right away he's not gonna see you're point of view or mine. You're never gonna win someone like that over. You'd need to be right into wrestling. RIGHT INTO IT to sit and watch all that on a weekly basis and like i said, there's something so innocent about it that i lost the heart to argue cause i feel bad.


But of course that's me and I'm not you and seibu is not us so by all means give your opinion, i love to see everyone's opinion. Right now TNA is bad. Awesome Kong being let go is AWESOME and everyone else there is bad but you can bet if they ended up in NXT they would be great again and it's strange how die hard wrestling fans minds work. That's what they think. TNA will never be good for them. I can't wait for the excuses for Wrestlemania this year because you just know the next day the real attendance figure will come out and i'm sure there will be many excuses as to why they didn't sell 100,000 tickets and it will all be Vince McMahons fault oh if only KEVIN OWENS was main eventing and AJ STYLES was in A BIG MATCH.


Like you said, the WWE fans have it ingrained in them to hate TNA and hate anyone in TNA..........until they sign a WWE contract and like you said. take away that WWE logo......and see how well it does.

People always say TNA hatred but can't actually point to any hate being expressed. They've ran TWO tours since January 2015 that have been in front of paying fans, both of them in the UK. They put on one taping between August 2015 and January 2016 and completely invalidated the result of the sole PPV they held last year because it failed to occur to anybody that they didn't have any television filmed with the new World Champion so they had to turn to matches filmed from July which aired right the way through until December.

ROH meanwhile played to paying fans throughout 2015, they put on PPV events, they had their place on national television, increased their live show attendance by 15,000 YOY.

I can't possibly think why I consider ROH to be the bigger promotion right now.

tna lighting is good. if you are talking about the darken audience it is deliberate - and a trick wcw did in the 90s at one point and others have done, it is a presentation style and is not because they can only afford a few 7w environmentally friendly bulbs (it is to probably to distract from the audience which is smaller than a wwe one and because of batch recordings have a few people who you remember seeing from the week before when they are lit up all show long to distract from "it didnt happen last week, it happened an hour ago" issue).

the start of last nights episode for example was as bright (with a very impressive "titantron") gangway... in fact i liked the opening although it had a lot to do with the timing of beer money's entry into the debate and the "comfortable with their characters" performance they give to some of the others on a mic.

Up to a few years back, more than half the TNA roster were ex WWE Superstars.

Some of their Stars still are ex WWE, such as James Storm, who was in NXT for like 5 minutes before going back to TNA.

Most of their pushed stars still are.
The Hardys.
EC3
Kurt Angle.
Drew
Tryus.

Kim
Maria (Seems to be getting more air time than her husband)

The touring schedule was a direct result of not having a TV deal in place and the uncertainty surrounding their future on television. Even if they were booted off American TV, TNA still have very lucrative worldwide television deals to honour - it therefore made the most sense financially to film in the way they did. Was it their best moment ever? No. But, to be frank, unless you actually looked up TNA spoilers online, where and when they film their episodes is a total irrelevance. The evidence has frequently stacked up that TNA's best rated episodes have always been taped in advance and heavily promoted; the live episodes rarely drew in any extra viewers.

ROH may be in front of paying fans, but they remain in front of incredibly small numbers of paying fans. They are still a bingo hall promotion. TNA may not be capable of drawing a Smackdown-sized crowd any more, but they still draw bigger crowds than ROH. This is reflected in TV ratings as well - remember that both programs had a run on Destination America. ROH never beat TNA in the ratings. The closest it ever was saw them come within around 20,000; most weeks the gap was close to 100,000. That, for me, is the best bit of evidence that despite everything they remain a bigger company and a bigger brand than ROH.

Probabky best to agree to disagree, we both believe in what we're saying and it's been a good, friendly discussion but it's gone on a couple of days now lol so I'm happy for us to both believe in our differing opinions

But Hollie, you're correct......

Well that's a given, I vaguely remember being wrong once in about 1999

I remember it well. Something about Russo wasn't it?

I hope you don't remember it well I was only 8 you creep

I've taken this joke too far.