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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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James Frederick
17-04-2016
Just saw the rumours about TNA getting thrown out of their HQ due to not paying the rent.
JCR
18-04-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Just saw the rumours about TNA getting thrown out of their HQ due to not paying the rent.”

Most online believe they're done unless they find a buyer for the company, and it depends on if Dixie would rather let the company fold than lose control of it. Apparently a potential investor put up the deposit to rent the Impact Zone soundstage for the next run, starting next Thursday, because they couldn't afford that either.

I think they should just try to flog the TNA tape library to the WWE network then rebrand and start again
James Frederick
18-04-2016
She should put her ego aside and sell.

Without her I do think it would stand a chance.
FMKK
18-04-2016
Lolol, the rumour going around currently is that the production company owned by The Harris Brothers is interested in buying TNA. Literal neo-Nazis could be in charge of this company. Amazing.
James Frederick
18-04-2016
If The Harris Bros take over we can expect to see Lashley fired and Hogan hired.
JCR
18-04-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“If The Harris Bros take over we can expect to see Lashley fired and Hogan hired.”

This is a complete head****. Are Challenge going to want a company that maybe run by guys who openly walk about with their neo-nazi tattoos on display?!? It's a bit of an image problem to say the ****ing least.
Hollie_Louise
18-04-2016
She really is the gift that just keeps on giving and giving and giving and bloody giving
James Frederick
18-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“She really is the gift that just keeps on giving and giving and giving and bloody giving”

Bet a few people wished she was giving money owed
Lee_Smith2
18-04-2016
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Most online believe they're done unless they find a buyer for the company, and it depends on if Dixie would rather let the company fold than lose control of it. Apparently a potential investor put up the deposit to rent the Impact Zone soundstage for the next run, starting next Thursday, because they couldn't afford that either.

I think they should just try to flog the TNA tape library to the WWE network then rebrand and start again”

In an ideal world, at this point Sinclair would swallow up what is left of TNA and its tape library to take some international slots and kind of expand its ROH brand.
JCR
18-04-2016
Just noted as well, the guy in charge of POP tv, you know TNA's US broadcaster? He's called Brad Schwartz.

Schwartz is mainly a Jewish surname.

No wonder he's not tweeted about TNA recently!
hazydayz
18-04-2016
If she can't keep the company going then she should close the doors.

And Vince Russo was talking about this last week and I know he's talked in the past about her Dad and her brother and the way the family treat her and how she wants to prove to her Dad she can stand on her own but if she closed it's doors she has lasted 12 years in the wrestling business. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Many people, many big names in wrestling never lasted 12 years running their promotions, many never lasted 12 years wrestlers. Lasting 12 years and then admittig defeat is nothing to be ashamed of, for any business to last 12 years in the 00s is a good thing.


Spike TV found it out. Destination America found it out with both TNA and ROH. Pop TV is now finding it out. When you put a wrestling show on TV and you fill it with actual wrestling, no one cares. No one watched ROH. No one cared about ROH. John Gaburick said when they did their first New York tapings, we've listened to the fans and the fans told us they want WRESTLING. So now they go from 1.3 million on Spike when Russo was writing a male pantomime to 300,000 with John Gaburick and Dixie running a wrestling show.


The reason no one watches TNA or ROH is because it is wrestling. I don't know if Russo did it or not but when the guy running Pop TV said about how TNA got 1.3 million on Spike and there's no reason why they can't achieve those numbers in time on Pop TV someone should have smartened that guy up and told him buddy........there's a reason why 1.3 million watched TNA on Spike............and they certainly weren't tuning for fixed wrestling matches. You are kidding yourself if you think 1.3 million are gonna tune into TNA now. There's one major reason why 1.3 million watched weekly on Spike and it had nothing to do with wrestling matches and everything to do with the guy writing the show. They were tuning in for the characters and the storylines and the angles.


But of course John Gaburick and Dixie Carter know nothing about writing a TV show and writing characters and storylines. They are better off closing the doors because it's not gonna get any better. Those fans are never coming back, just like the WWE's audience continues to leave, people are leaving wrestling in their droves, it's not going back to the glory days.
James Frederick
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Just noted as well, the guy in charge of POP tv, you know TNA's US broadcaster? He's called Brad Schwartz.

Schwartz is mainly a Jewish surname.

No wonder he's not tweeted about TNA recently!”

TBF from what I have seen Poptv is pretty happy with the first showing ratings not happy with the repeat so moved it.

I would say at the moment at least TNA has a better Champion than WWE who should never have released him or made him a jobber.

Not much else going for them though even more with Roode and Young leaving.

Not much really worth watching now.

Drew
EC3
James Storm.

That is it.
Hollie_Louise
19-04-2016
Just read that this company, Aroluxe, has been loaning TNA money since January to pay for television tapings. They reportedly owe Aroluxe money due to be paid either Tuesday or Wednesday. Apparently, if TNA fails to make this payment, Aroluxe can claim majority ownership of the company (I really can't believe this by the way).
ags_rule
19-04-2016
Tbh the whole TNA brand is toxic right now. Needs a complete reset and reboot - new owners, new direction, new name.

Dixie's biggest mistake remains not who she hired, but who she chose not to - you had Paul Heyman willing to write for you and let it slide. The man who turned ECW from a bingo hall into a top three promotion, and the man who drew higher ratings for Smackdown than RAW, and you let him walk away.
Hollie_Louise
19-04-2016
Ags we frequently disagree but I fully agree with both points. The TNA (and IMPACT Wrestling) brand is damaged beyond repair. It needs new owners, new name, completely new look and feel.

I would do a complete reboot with three titles (World, Tag, Knockouts) with new championship tournament leading to a PPV with the finals held on it. This then leads to fresh feuds.

It really needs something and Dixie taking a backseat (and pretty much a complete purge on executives including the awful John Gaburick) is one of those things.
ogryn
20-04-2016
It's a shame they're struggling. Impact on Pop has been pretty consistently good. Certainly much better than when they were on DA.

They've built their own stars out of people and it's mostly an enjoyable show that I rarely fast forward though.
seibu
20-04-2016
There is literally no way TNA or any other US promotion can survive in the face of the RAW / NXT dual assault. TNA is almost done. ROH will be next. LU will be after that.
hazydayz
20-04-2016
I agree with your seibu. I just don't think the world is ready to accept wrestling in that way again. I think many people are just happy with WWE or at least casual fans, fans that aren't big wrestling fans to begin with, if they're flicking the channels they're more likely to stop on a WWE show than any other show.

Ogryn you said it's a better show now and you rarely fast forward through it. I think the problems they are having now are deep rooted problems in the way the company has been run, it's not a reflection on the workers in the ring at all but if you ever wanted to look at TNA and WWE in a realistic way, that is it, one company seems to be trying a lot and putting on a decent show while behind the scenes the actual business part of it falls apart and they're trying to keep the business afloat and the other puts very little effort into their shows and has millions of viewers and makes millions of dollars profit every year and never has to worry about paying rent or paying wages.


I would wager a bet that the company that makes millions of dollars profits every year, that writes their show on the day of the show with minimal effort and can afford to spend a lot of money on wages is the one that will win in the end.


Of course that alone brings in long term effects.
seibu
20-04-2016
Yep I agree. I don't think TNA was ever a viable business. Remember it was on the verge of bankruptcy when Jeff sold to Dixie. Panda and then Spike poured money into it for a bit, making huge losses and pretty decent TV in my opinion. Certainly a lot more entertaining than current RAW.

But without the cash transfusions, TNA just shrinks and shrinks. I do wonder if it has *ever* broken even? As I've always said - if there is room in the market for a true competitor to WWE, where is it? Surely it's time we admitted that maybe TNA was a valiant shot at an impossible mission.
Lee_Smith2
20-04-2016
When Vince McMahon had competition nearly 20-25 years ago, it was easier to actually be noticeably different. For example: Vince produces a live action cartoon; his opposition produces athletic matches with young wrestlers. Vince produces family entertainment; his opposition produces grittier matches. The opposition re-lives rock n wrestling; Vince goes 'new generation'. Vince books block taping and has a small roster; his opposition goes live weekly and signs a huge roster etc.

If anything they integrated some of their once opposition into the WWE, such as a bigger roster and competitive, athletic matches. The likes of Owens, Zayn and Styles wouldn't have been out of place in 1990's WCW. These things don't mean you can't compete or at least be an alternative (see Lucha Underground). Yet having their own network gives them more freedom than imaginable.

Theoretically they could run the widely accessible WWE as we know it, the indie friendly NXT, a TV-MA alternative of wrestling, an inventive Lucha Underground type show and a women's only show. They could even give a platform to promotions from across the globe or create a new Super Astros type show.

How do you compete with that when you can't even get a decent television deal?
hazydayz
20-04-2016
When you say they can't even get a decent television deal you make it sound like it's TNA's fault for that. No company is fighting to show wrestling. Even the WWE on the USA Network is only there to bring the stock of the Network up, the USA Network doesn't do numbers like the WWE does for it's other shows, the USA Network could care less about wrestling.


That is the truth. The world has moved on. Society has moved on. WWE in America will always be on USA Network due to the numbers it brings in but 6 million people have stopped watching wrestling in the USA since 2001. 5-6 million were watching Raw and 3-4 were watching Nitro. 6 million are gone.

I don't know what they watch now and WWE is only on Sky Sports over here due to the money being made on Sky Sports subscriptions. When do you see Sky promote WWE? A few times during the show when there's a PPV? Sky have always treated WWE like a dirty secret, they've never once went out of their way to really promote it and give it TV time, not like their other sports or TV shows.


So to suggest it's TNA or Dixie's fault they can't get a decent TV deal is wrong. Wrestling just isn't as popular as it was 20 years ago and will never be that popular again. No TV companies are fighting over each other to get wrestling. It's WWE and that's it.
Hollie_Louise
20-04-2016
Once again TNA'S failure is nothing at all to do with the people running TNA for over a decade. Yep, nothing all to do with Dixie at all, poor innocent bystander Dixie.
seibu
21-04-2016
It's not that the people running TNA had nothing to do with it, it's that they could have been Shakespeare, JJ Abrams, Joss Whedon and Peter Jackson and they still would have had a hard time making a viable US competitor to WWE.

And without Dixie, specifically her Dad's money, TNA would have closed a *long* time ago.
Lee_Smith2
21-04-2016
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“When you say they can't even get a decent television deal you make it sound like it's TNA's fault for that.”

To have the chance of prospering in US television you have to be with one of only a handful of companies: Comast, Viacom, Disney, Fox, Time Warner or AMC Networks. One of them is tied to WWE, another cancelled wrestling and the other won't touch even a family friendly version of wrestling.

That doesn't leave a lot of leeway, but TNA did have their foot in the door of Viacom. How much they screwed up and how much was against them is the question. Their TV output was unfocussed from the beginning - basically ran back and forth through 90s wrestling - their biggest stars were often ex-WWE or what I call new wave athletic wrestlers, while the company brand name was gimmicky.
hazydayz
21-04-2016
But they do so many things Lee. They did their own thing for many years, often focusing on their own young home grown talent and they didn't break those barriers, they then became WWE lite for a few years, they then brought in Hulk and Eric for a few years, they then have what they are doing now. If Paul Heyman was brought in what would he have done? Something similar to the 2006-2009 period? Would that have worked? Same thing again?

Would it have ever worked? No matter how good it WAS or COULD have been would it really have made any difference at all? Would it have ever really drawn a huge audience? I'm not so sure it would. I don't think American TV networks are fighting to show wrestling, you said it yourself, and seibu is right also. WWE right now is so stale but that's to be expected. Even if you have Stephen Spielberg and Stephen King writing wrestling, after a few weeks it's gonna get boring. There's nothing people haven't already seen before. There's nothing else to do. I honestly don't think wrestling will ever be a hot commodity again and if we really think about it and we think back to all the big hot periods in wrestling, did those networks really like wrestling or did they just like the money it brought in? WCW was still making money when it closed it's doors, they did decent ratings and AOL got shot of it, why? Cause they didn't like wrestling. I'm sure lots of people feel the same way, they could make money off wrestling.........but they just don't want it.
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