the composer hardy v nero hardy has been a great gimmick... especially with the multiple willows...
this was a return to the sort of mad stuff wcw v wwf generated...
this was a return to the sort of mad stuff wcw v wwf generated...
TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by JCR:
“Okay the final 10 seconds of this ad look like the most stupid/genius thing they've done in years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdoW2YeJd_I (spoilers)”
“Okay the final 10 seconds of this ad look like the most stupid/genius thing they've done in years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdoW2YeJd_I (spoilers)”
I've been enjoying the Hardy's feud. Both have been really pushing themselves, and it's hard to see how much further they can go... but then you get this trailer!
It looks utterly mad.
I'm really looking forward to it!
Originally Posted by JCR:
“They've sent preview tapes of the Matt v Jeff match out, it is being raved about on twitter.”
“They've sent preview tapes of the Matt v Jeff match out, it is being raved about on twitter.”
So what great height is Jeff jumping from this time 20 metres?, 50, metres? its a wonder neither of those 2 have been seriously hurt.
Vince Russo was sent the video during the last half hour of Raw last night. He says it's the best thing he's ever seen in wrestling, better than anything he's ever been a part of and doesn't know how they can ever go back to being a wrestling show after they've shown what they can do in this new concept.
Edit, they put the Matt v Jeff match on youtube and took it down 15 minutes later. Oh, TNA.
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Last edited by JCR : 06-07-2016 at 04:31
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Vince Russo was sent the video during the last half hour of Raw last night. He says it's the best thing he's ever seen in wrestling, better than anything he's ever been a part of and doesn't know how they can ever go back to being a wrestling show after they've shown what they can do in this new concept.”
“Vince Russo was sent the video during the last half hour of Raw last night. He says it's the best thing he's ever seen in wrestling, better than anything he's ever been a part of and doesn't know how they can ever go back to being a wrestling show after they've shown what they can do in this new concept.”
Cool.
TNA has always been the creative promotion pushing things forward, complete with the inevitable rough edges.
I thought it was very different and unique, amazing visuals and camera angles, like a mini movie.
It really shows you the difference between TNA and WWE though. WWE is still a kids show on at night with grown men and women letting each other hit each other with food and the Americans vs the typical non Americans and of course the Americans win. Forget about it.
It really shows you the difference between TNA and WWE though. WWE is still a kids show on at night with grown men and women letting each other hit each other with food and the Americans vs the typical non Americans and of course the Americans win. Forget about it.
I think the idea of cinematic matches is a great one but it is something that really needs the production expertise and, more importantly budget, of WWE to look like anything other than a backyard wrestling production edited together with iMovie.
It's an Asylum movie. That's all it was really. And that's not a knock, they were clearly going for the "so bad it's good" factor in it and it was fun to watch. But a) you can't do it all the time and b) I don't know how many people will remain next week for Impact because the rest of the show was pretty much garbage with the exception of one segment. And in 2 weeks they're getting killed anyway because of SmackDown and the Draft.
I laughed at the bit
but the rest of the actual match did little for me.
Worth noting that's presumably the end of their number 1 face, who still needs knee surgery with 9 months recovery.
Spoiler
Worth noting that's presumably the end of their number 1 face, who still needs knee surgery with 9 months recovery.
An amazing, Snarknado type ending. I hope TNA ends up with a TV deal on SyFi so they can keep making these.
It was Jeremy Borash's drones that filmed all the ariel shots. I like the look of those things, i'm gonna see what the best ones are with HD cameras on them and fly them where I live.
Am I missing something here in regards to this outdoor Hardy v Hardy match??
Having just watched it, I thought it was dreadful, the wrestling, what little there was, was slow and it was as if both were doing this for the first time, rather then the ten thousandth time!
The match was filmed in near darkness, with pitiful lighting, so you couldn't really see what was happening, and then the rest of the match was just a farce, and not a good one either.
As for the ending, why on earth was there no move, just rolling down some dirt.
Deary me, so much hype for so little, if any return.
Having just watched it, I thought it was dreadful, the wrestling, what little there was, was slow and it was as if both were doing this for the first time, rather then the ten thousandth time!
The match was filmed in near darkness, with pitiful lighting, so you couldn't really see what was happening, and then the rest of the match was just a farce, and not a good one either.
As for the ending, why on earth was there no move, just rolling down some dirt.
Deary me, so much hype for so little, if any return.
I stopped watching TNA (having been a big fan since 2009) when the Spike deal fell through.
That being said, I saw the Matt Hardy stuff knocking about on YouTube and it really got me engaged.
Thought the Final Deletion stuff was good fun. The problem with wrestling these days is that's it's too serious. WWE is awful, the forced fun was bad enough, and then smarks decided it should become ROH 2.0, which HHH obliged.
People have complained TNA needs to be different and an alternative, and that's what they're delivering.
People also hark on about the attitude era, but what made that era so fun wasn't the blood and swearing, but the ridiculous OTT storylines and gimmicks.
Matt Hardy is fantastic and I hope he gets more tongue in cheek, I might return as a more regular viewer if TNA keep this up.
That being said, I saw the Matt Hardy stuff knocking about on YouTube and it really got me engaged.
Thought the Final Deletion stuff was good fun. The problem with wrestling these days is that's it's too serious. WWE is awful, the forced fun was bad enough, and then smarks decided it should become ROH 2.0, which HHH obliged.
People have complained TNA needs to be different and an alternative, and that's what they're delivering.
People also hark on about the attitude era, but what made that era so fun wasn't the blood and swearing, but the ridiculous OTT storylines and gimmicks.
Matt Hardy is fantastic and I hope he gets more tongue in cheek, I might return as a more regular viewer if TNA keep this up.
Show moves back to Thursday nights on July 19th, probably due to Smackdown heading to Tuesday. Destination X episode of show airs live on July 12th
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Am I missing something here in regards to this outdoor Hardy v Hardy match??
Having just watched it, I thought it was dreadful, the wrestling, what little there was, was slow and it was as if both were doing this for the first time, rather then the ten thousandth time!
The match was filmed in near darkness, with pitiful lighting, so you couldn't really see what was happening, and then the rest of the match was just a farce, and not a good one either.
As for the ending, why on earth was there no move, just rolling down some dirt.
Deary me, so much hype for so little, if any return.”
“Am I missing something here in regards to this outdoor Hardy v Hardy match??
Having just watched it, I thought it was dreadful, the wrestling, what little there was, was slow and it was as if both were doing this for the first time, rather then the ten thousandth time!
The match was filmed in near darkness, with pitiful lighting, so you couldn't really see what was happening, and then the rest of the match was just a farce, and not a good one either.
As for the ending, why on earth was there no move, just rolling down some dirt.
Deary me, so much hype for so little, if any return.”
I think the fact all you have talked about is the wrestling, the moves and the match shows that yes indeed, you have missed the entire point.
I think the ring more than anything was just a reminder that the whole thing was a "match", really it was nothing more than scenery, just like the referee, they were there only to remind the audience at home that the thing can only end with pinfall or submission.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“I think the fact all you have talked about is the wrestling, the moves and the match shows that yes indeed, you have missed the entire point.”
“I think the fact all you have talked about is the wrestling, the moves and the match shows that yes indeed, you have missed the entire point.”
Remind me again what was the point, if not to pin the other person (or make them tap out)??
If it was done more professionally, with non jerky camera work, and decent lighting so we could see what was actually happening, then that might have been a start.
The only half decent thing about it was the build up to it, with the drones, and the lawnmower stuff, as for the match itself, if you can actually call that mess a "match", just terrible all round.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Remind me again what was the point, if not to pin the other person (or make them tap out)??
If it was done more professionally, with non jerky camera work, and decent lighting so we could see what was actually happening, then that might have been a start.
The only half decent thing about it was the build up to it, with the drones, and the lawnmower stuff, as for the match itself, if you can actually call that mess a "match", just terrible all round.”
“Remind me again what was the point, if not to pin the other person (or make them tap out)??
If it was done more professionally, with non jerky camera work, and decent lighting so we could see what was actually happening, then that might have been a start.
The only half decent thing about it was the build up to it, with the drones, and the lawnmower stuff, as for the match itself, if you can actually call that mess a "match", just terrible all round.”
Yep, you still have missed the point.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Yep, you still have missed the point.”
“Yep, you still have missed the point.”
Okay then, please tell me what was the point, that I must be missing here??
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Okay then, please tell me what was the point, that I must be missing here??”
“Okay then, please tell me what was the point, that I must be missing here??
”
The point certainly was not to produce a 5* wrestling clinic, which is all you seem to be judging on. If you were expecting Taker/HBK Mk. III of course you were going to be disappointed.
It was about producing a match in an unusual and conceptually interesting way, firmly tongue-in-cheek, not meant to be taken seriously and reviewed by Dave Meltzer for the Wrestling Observer.
It was ridiculously OTT and bore little resemblance to an actual wrestling match. The fact you are judging it as a wrestling match is why you have missed the point.
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“The point certainly was not to produce a 5* wrestling clinic, which is all you seem to be judging on. If you were expecting Taker/HBK Mk. III of course you were going to be disappointed.
It was about producing a match in an unusual and conceptually interesting way, firmly tongue-in-cheek, not meant to be taken seriously and reviewed by Dave Meltzer for the Wrestling Observer.
It was ridiculously OTT and bore little resemblance to an actual wrestling match. The fact you are judging it as a wrestling match is why you have missed the point.”
“The point certainly was not to produce a 5* wrestling clinic, which is all you seem to be judging on. If you were expecting Taker/HBK Mk. III of course you were going to be disappointed.
It was about producing a match in an unusual and conceptually interesting way, firmly tongue-in-cheek, not meant to be taken seriously and reviewed by Dave Meltzer for the Wrestling Observer.
It was ridiculously OTT and bore little resemblance to an actual wrestling match. The fact you are judging it as a wrestling match is why you have missed the point.”
I was not expecting a five star match, as they are way past that stage now in their careers, I was expecting however for the in ring segments to actually hold me in a sense of disbelief and wonder, (which they did not).
I get the wacky and fun element of it, it had to be that way if there was no audience to play off, and seeing as it was outside at night.
That would have been fine, and I would have loved that, if it was performed to a better degree, not having proper lighting was not crazy or out-there, it was just a poor decision, as it meant that it was hard to follow what was actually going on.
Look I get that this was never going to be up for any mat technicians awards, and that is fine, there are many, many different ways to have a great and fantastic match between two people (and I say that having watched hogpen matches, and other such unimaginable match types!), and trying something different is great, and for that I applaud TNA, and the Hardy's.
However the actual execution was just not done to a satisfactory standard, it could have been great, it had all the potential in the world to just be that, but alas it was not.
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