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TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)
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ags_rule
24-09-2013
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I still remember the tag line, "its not about weight limits, it is about no limits!", in regards to the X-division, (probably a reason to allow Samoa Joe into it in the first place), which I thought was quite a good one.

Now though, it just seems like yet another cruiserweight division, with barley enough people there to call it a division.

TNA has lost its way recently, and lost what set it as part from WWE, now more so than ever, it just looks like a direct copy sadly.”

Unfortunately Hogan & Bischoff fed Dixie the lie that the way to compete with Vince was to copy him. Bischoff still refuses to accept that as the reason wCw died. The ECW business model had proven success on a small-scale and TNA should have kept following it.

(Before anybody says, ECW did not fold because of lack of fan interest or demand. It ended because Heyman was a financial basketcase who wouldn't accept any help with running that side of things. Taking that into consideration, what they achieved in terms of influence on wrestling as a whole, to the extent that WWE had to adapt their programming to try and match them, was nothing short of incredible)
Old.Tallen
25-09-2013
Originally Posted by tomee:
“TNA has removed the profiles of Mickie James and Ken Anderson from the roster section on their website.”

Andersons contract was up, the Bully Ray fight seemed to be a time sink to allow them to negotiate...but if Anderson is gone thats horrible news for TNA, hes one of their best personalities and one of their few remaining decent wrestlers.

Mickie James was never any good, not too bothered about the Knockouts currently as even WWE has stopped spotlighting women's wrestling in favour of reality TV cashin.

More and more being cut, no more coming in.....yikes.
whedon247
26-09-2013
mickie james is the hottest women in wrestling today

wtf are TNA playing at????

so many releases,could the ride finnaly be over? tv has been great for past year but its all falling apart now, impact was boring this week bar sabin heel turn.
suncity
26-09-2013
Mickie James is far from the hottest to be fair... but each to their own.
whedon247
27-09-2013
Originally Posted by suncity:
“Mickie James is far from the hottest to be fair... but each to their own.”

that body! nice face,hot accent...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

her and aj lee rule the land

just seen aj pipebomb inspired promo, pretty good except most of the wrestlers he mentioned are just flip floppers and not real wrestlers(bar shelley), dixie turning heel lol

looks like TNA is going back to high school gym booking.

would be good if hogan sticks around and him and dixie try to push their product and aj gets jarret on his side and pushes his

they could do 1 hour wraslin booking and 1 hour sports entertainment.

would be unique
Oscar_
27-09-2013
The "Wrestler Roster" page on their website is certainly looking in a sorry state now. It would be even smaller but you have Abyss and Joseph Park. You have Christy, Jeremy Borash, Taz, Tenay, Spanish Willie and Spanish Hector on there who are not active wrestlers at all. Rampage is still listed as is King Mo. It's all looking a bit ominous and one wonders how the up-coming winter UK tour will go this time.

I guess the Sabin heel turn is worth a try after the horrendous situation with Bully and the brief title run. He won by a cheat, they had two diabolical matches (those two should never face each other again) and really his face persona was only suitable to be one of the reasonably good contenders within the X division (if there still was an X division to speak of in TNA).

As for the Dixie heel turn, you would think they would have learned not to try silly storylines involving her and AJ after the Claire Lynch nonsense.

With so few Knockouts left to have wrestling matches, maybe it is good for the ones that remain to just appear in high heels as girlfriends of the male wrestlers with perhaps the occasional scuffle between them.
Steveaustin316
27-09-2013
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“(Before anybody says, ECW did not fold because of lack of fan interest or demand. It ended because Heyman was a financial basketcase who wouldn't accept any help with running that side of things. Taking that into consideration, what they achieved in terms of influence on wrestling as a whole, to the extent that WWE had to adapt their programming to try and match them, was nothing short of incredible)”

It's a shame that instead of wasting millions of dollars on the XFL that Vince didn't buy ECW instead back in early 2001 and handle the financial side of the business himself, but let Heyman control the booking side.

Unfortunately, Vince's ego would never allow such a thing to happen.
batdude_uk1
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by Oscar_:
“The "Wrestler Roster" page on their website is certainly looking in a sorry state now. It would be even smaller but you have Abyss and Joseph Park. You have Christy, Jeremy Borash, Taz, Tenay, Spanish Willie and Spanish Hector on there who are not active wrestlers at all. Rampage is still listed as is King Mo. It's all looking a bit ominous and one wonders how the up-coming winter UK tour will go this time.”

It does seem a bit of a farce to have both Abyss and Park listed, but then I cannot remember but did they WWE have all three of Mick's alter ego's listed at one stage or not?
suncity
28-09-2013
AJ Styles came across like a proper tool on Impact last week. He sounded like a typical YouTube commentor moaning that the latest indy darling isn't employed, and the big mainstream stars are...
Grouty
29-09-2013
Originally Posted by adams66:
“I think Mickie's gone too!”

Wonder if thats why they had ODB win the belt then.

Just checked the roster page as not seen it for a while, theres loads gone

Hogans supposed to have gone to now as well.
Treznor
29-09-2013
TNA is in a bad way. I think the writing is on the walls. WWE will pick off the scraps Angle, Sting & Hogan on legendary contracts however I doubt there would be many on the roster that McMahon will be interested in on a full time basis. Austin Aries, Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles may be decent mid-carders.
batdude_uk1
30-09-2013
Did I miss them, or was there no sign of anyone from the small tag team division this week??
Old.Tallen
01-10-2013
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Did I miss them, or was there no sign of anyone from the small tag team division this week??”

Bro-mans were in a mixed tag match with Gail Kim but otherwise no, not really.

Aces are looking threadbare, most of their members cut, same for MEM, X Division is screwed, not surprising they canned Ultimate X format, they only have about 4 Xers left.

Knockouts is empty, more leave weekly or are cut....worse still the writers seem to have lost the plot completely.

Dixie and AJ? AGAIN? No thanks, it just isn't working. Dixie heel for an AJ face is not a good idea...at all.

Sabin heel? Of all the wrestlers cut they keep the one with zero charisma who can't pull off a heel turn to save his life, no presence at all.

Aces and MEM is barely worth using anymore, both might soon be tag teams and nothing more if they keep shedding members like they have been.

Might stop watching soon, its getting so dire its barely watchable.
Old.Tallen
01-10-2013
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“Wonder if thats why they had ODB win the belt then.

Just checked the roster page as not seen it for a while, theres loads gone

Hogans supposed to have gone to now as well.”

Very likely yes.
Old.Tallen
01-10-2013
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It does seem a bit of a farce to have both Abyss and Park listed, but then I cannot remember but did they WWE have all three of Mick's alter ego's listed at one stage or not?”

Difference is that would have been more of an amusing fan hat tip, TNA its more to fill boxes.

41 listed on the website roster...so 40 in truth.

7 are not wrestlers.
5 knockouts, including Taryn and Velvet....who we have not seen in ages and Brooke Tessmacher who is arm candy currently for Bully Ray.
4 X Division wrestlers, possibly 5 if you count Rockstar Spud who vanished long ago from sight and zema and Kenny King we haven't seen in ages either.
King Mo, Rampage Jackson and Rob Terry are also listed, when was the last time we saw any of those guys? Sam Shaw? I don't even remember who that is.

...its all a bit depressing really.
JCR
01-10-2013
Originally Posted by Treznor:
“TNA is in a bad way. I think the writing is on the walls. WWE will pick off the scraps Angle, Sting & Hogan on legendary contracts however I doubt there would be many on the roster that McMahon will be interested in on a full time basis. Austin Aries, Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles may be decent mid-carders.”

Hardy might be considered to hot to handle in this PG age, though a feud with CM Punk, who presumably he still has nuclear level heat with, might be fun.

If WWE wanted Aries or Styles they'd have gone long ago.
JasonWatkins
02-10-2013
Just been reading that TNA have no house shows scheduled for October at all - it's only apparently a couple of Impact tapings and BFG. If they want to dispel rumours they're in big trouble, this really doesn't help ..
JCR
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Just been reading that TNA have no house shows scheduled for October at all - it's only apparently a couple of Impact tapings and BFG. If they want to dispel rumours they're in big trouble, this really doesn't help ..”

Their live policy seems to be completely nuts, they're running buildings that are way too big for them, the Baltimore Arena they're taping on November 21st in, for example, holds 12,000 people and they haven't a prayer of it being half full. Why they aren't taping at Manhattan Centre / ECW Arena 1500-2000 seat size theatres is a mystery.

Still, like I said, as long as Spike still wants wrestling they might be okay.
JasonWatkins
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Their live policy seems to be completely nuts, they're running buildings that are way too big for them, the Baltimore Arena they're taping on November 21st in, for example, holds 12,000 people and they haven't a prayer of it being half full. Why they aren't taping at Manhattan Centre / ECW Arena 1500-2000 seat size theatres is a mystery.

Still, like I said, as long as Spike still wants wrestling they might be okay.”

I suppose if TNA doesn't become financially viable for Spike any more, they'll be cancelled and most likely fold. They gambled by moving Impact to monday nights and failed. They gambled by signing Hulk Hogan and it's pretty much failed, since their profile hasn't really increased in the US. They've gambled by taking Impact on the road and it's looking like that's failing as well, due to the financial trouble it's put the company in.

The international markets could well be the only thing that's keeping TNA from folding completely, regardless of what Spike want.
batdude_uk1
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by Old.Tallen:
“Difference is that would have been more of an amusing fan hat tip, TNA its more to fill boxes.

41 listed on the website roster...so 40 in truth.

7 are not wrestlers.
5 knockouts, including Taryn and Velvet....who we have not seen in ages and Brooke Tessmacher who is arm candy currently for Bully Ray.
4 X Division wrestlers, possibly 5 if you count Rockstar Spud who vanished long ago from sight and zema and Kenny King we haven't seen in ages either.
King Mo, Rampage Jackson and Rob Terry are also listed, when was the last time we saw any of those guys? Sam Shaw? I don't even remember who that is.

...its all a bit depressing really.”

We saw Kenny King this week on impact didn't we vs AA? But apart from that, yeah it is looking very weak indeed.
Ramapage,and King Mo can just be chalked off straight away as well, as they are not going to be wrestling anytime soon, if ever, so that takes the number down to 38 then, which is no way to run a company, if you want to create storylines that make any sort of sense, or have any sort of long-term vision.

At least when they were using Mexican talent of the international x-Division Cup (or what ever it was called, it has slipped my mind), they had a decent enough roster to back that up.
Now if they did that sort of tournement again, the Mexican's might actualy be in the majority!
batdude_uk1
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
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The international markets could well be the only thing that's keeping TNA from folding completely, regardless of what Spike want.”

I agree with you there, as they do seem popular over here, and do quite well with corwd sizes, although the fact that they are still runiing the same promos that they have been doing for about six or seven months, advertsing the upcoming British tour, cannot be a good thing, as that must mean ticket sales are going very slowly indeed.
batdude_uk1
02-10-2013
Also could we see a sort of WCW collapse, as one of the reasons it failed was because they couldn't get a tv company to show the product (if I remember correctly), and without tv, there really is no point, so if Spike were to pull out, that would leave TNA in a very difficult position indeed, as they are not really set up like ROH or anything like that (who I believe run shows over the web).
batdude_uk1
02-10-2013
It is a shame really, that we are even having these sort of discussions, as I have always had a soft spot for TNA, right from the begining, then again I had a soft spot (and prefered it to the then WWF) for WCW, and look how that panned out!

My soft spots for companies don't really seem to help them too much!

I remember the classic early days of the Asylum, and the Red Shirt Security, and all that side of things, right through to where we are now.
I hope that it pulls through and gets better, as the last thing the industry needs, is yet another failed company.
JasonWatkins
02-10-2013
Even though I don't really watch wrestling all that much any more, I've been a fan for almost 30 years so I suppose I'll always have a vested interest in it and it's success or failure.

If they do fold and leave the WWE as the only "big" promotion left, it'll be a sad day for the business. The likes of Joe, AJ, Roode e.t.c.. would have to earn their trade in places like ROH and other various indies.

I suppose it's feasible that they could continue if Spike cancel them as they'd have the money from the international markets coming in. They'd have to scale back the operation again to a single location for filming and PPV's and most likely cut the house shows all together in favour of maybe 2 or 3 international tours per year.

They'd have to cut the roster as well and likely re-promote the X-Division as a selling point. In other words, go right back to square one again. It could work, but it would take some working out.
batdude_uk1
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Even though I don't really watch wrestling all that much any more, I've been a fan for almost 30 years so I suppose I'll always have a vested interest in it and it's success or failure.

If they do fold and leave the WWE as the only "big" promotion left, it'll be a sad day for the business. The likes of Joe, AJ, Roode e.t.c.. would have to earn their trade in places like ROH and other various indies.

I suppose it's feasible that they could continue if Spike cancel them as they'd have the money from the international markets coming in. They'd have to scale back the operation again to a single location for filming and PPV's and most likely cut the house shows all together in favour of maybe 2 or 3 international tours per year.

They'd have to cut the roster as well and likely re-promote the X-Division as a selling point. In other words, go right back to square one again. It could work, but it would take some working out.”

It would indeed be a very, very sad day indeed for the busness as a whole if WWE was the only big company left standing so to speak.

I remember the Monday Night Wars etc, and those were the very peak of competition, it is impossible now sadly to see anything like those same sort of levels of competition between companies.

TNA even at its peak was still only small fry, but at least they were pushing above themselves, now they really are only a shadow of their former selves.

If they had to cut back to only say somthing,like you suggest, then just who would stick around, their roster is already too small to run a promotion and build feuds etc as it is!
I would fear for them if Spike start to make any sort of noises about their future.

Good luck to them, as the industry needs them to survive and flourish, but it is not looking good at the moment sadly.
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