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Old 14-01-2014, 12:08
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Great posts seibu.
You've injected a very welcome tone of common sense into a discussion that was fast becoming rather hysterical and fanciful.

Seems to me that whatever TNA does at the moment they'll get hammered by the press / internet / forums. It'll probably pass. There are so many stories about backstage shenanigans, pay rates, alleged discontent amongst the ring talent etc etc.

Probably wisely TNA seem to be ignoring the bad press they're getting and just carrying on. Whether we agree with the direction of the shows, the use of the talent etc etc is our opinion, as it's always been. But for now, I'm not taking much notice of all the rumours...
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Old 14-01-2014, 18:21
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It feels like to me when David Lagana started on creative, the show quality (for me) went up. Storylines started making more sense and had longer arcs, not just quick hot shorter payoffs. There have been some episodes I've really enjoyed recently. Ignoring the Thanksgiving and Christmas fillers its hard to think of a show that's been bad.

Seibu is right in that TNA did everything fans were clamouring for them to do, then got turned upon when they did them.
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Old 14-01-2014, 20:43
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TNA is very, very far from perfect. What I'm saying is that the internet has a tendency to mix opinion and rumour and pass it off as "fact" when it comes to TNA.
It depends on where you go for your information. There's only a few places that have legitmate information. The rest either make stuff up or try and spin the major sites news as their own and add things to it.

I notice you avoid mentioning the one actual FACT we know about TNA's US audience: There are approx. 1.1 million TV viewers who will seemingly watch the show no matter what. Nobody has any idea about merchandise sales or PPV buys. Every house show is different - some sell out, but of course nobody ever talks about those!
TNA's audience is happy to watch a free show, but not buy anything from the company. Thus hence the reduced house show schedule. Thus hence the reduced PPV show schedule. That stuff is visual. You can see it. TNA aren't cutting back on these things for fun. I don't understand how this is hard to grasp unless you're some hardcore fan in denial.

But very often the figures aren't just poor, they're more or less made up. That's my point.
Even if you don't believe the numbers, TNA's reduction in PPV and house show schedule back up the fact that these revenue streams aren't successful.

Impact could feature Steamboat / Savage followed by the debut of the NwO, followed by the declaration of world peace, and James Caldwell would still give it a bad review. Anyway, I'm not saying everybody has to like TNA. I'm saying people should stop repeating unsubstantiated rumours about TNA as fact.
The main sites on the whole that I've seen aren't overly critical of TNA. Meltzer and Alvarez are pretty fair. TNA does something good, they'll say so. If they do something bad, they'll say so. There's no point in talking up TNA for the sake of it.

I'm sorry, my "unsubstantiated rumour" detector actually exploded there.
It's up to you if you don't want to believe it or not. Many of the bottom end guys aren't getting paid a alot. This is the same company that refused to pay for Zema Ion's medical bills when he had a bowel cancer scare. The situation with Jesse Sorensen etc.

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-t...pots-interview

I didn't know about this. It neatly demonstrates how big organisations can hold publications to ransom for positive coverage.
Well it must not work as I've seen a ton of negative stuff about WWE over the years about things they've done and about the quality of their shows. It's not exclusive to TNA.

Totally agree. I don't think journalists lie awake at night plotting the downfall of TNA. But the FUD stories come from somewhere. Notice how they tend to appear across all the forums and newsletters at the same time (e.g. the "Sting in a gym" "story" the other day), so they're coming from somewhere!
Sting in a gym???? I never heard that story. Who reported it?

If you want to get inside information, go to the main places and not the sites that I've mentioned before. It's amazing the amount of stuff that gets attributed to a guy like Meltzer and he's never said anything close to it.

Anyway thoughts on Impact????

I see Wes Brisco and Jay Bradley have been released.
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Old 15-01-2014, 00:10
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tna have 4 main ppvs, the rest are just shows to fulfill commitment to ppv companies

makes financial sense to do cheap tapings and put them on when needed rather than do tapings for each ppv nearer the time, there would be pretty much no change if they did that.

these are 8 throwaway ppvs remember.
3 ppvs now. Genesis didn't air as a PPV. They're left with Lockdown, Slammiversary and Bound For Glory (maybe, and I mean it in the sense that they could easily scrap Slammiversary and put it for free on Spike as an Impact episode, we don't know. Lockdown is official for April 9th).
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Old 15-01-2014, 11:16
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3 ppvs now. Genesis didn't air as a PPV. They're left with Lockdown, Slammiversary and Bound For Glory (maybe, and I mean it in the sense that they could easily scrap Slammiversary and put it for free on Spike as an Impact episode, we don't know. Lockdown is official for April 9th).
ah right

dont get me wrong, i want TNA to do well but dixie is making her fair share of mistakes too, poor business mind perhaps.
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Old 15-01-2014, 13:44
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TNA is kicking off the new year with a new beginning as, for the first time ever, the Genesis event will be broadcast as TWO episodes of TNA IMPACT WRESTLING.

Tune into Challenge TV on Sunday January 19 and Sunday January 26 at the regular time of 9pm for Genesis.

Both Genesis episodes will feature your favorite TNA superstars competing in high-stakes matches
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Old 15-01-2014, 18:19
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what show is on tonight?
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Old 15-01-2014, 20:02
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what show is on tonight?
Hardcore Justice @ 22:00! (after the footy)
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Old 15-01-2014, 23:49
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Nearly halfway through Hardcore Justice and it's been rather run of the mill so far.
Hope the second half improves.
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:37
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Dixie is apparently promising new talent at the Genesis show and her Twitter gives a hint of who some of them will be if you fancy a spoiler.

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Old 16-01-2014, 09:35
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Nearly halfway through Hardcore Justice and it's been rather run of the mill so far.
Hope the second half improves.
It was interesting though, it could have slotted naturally right in after last sundays Impact and act as a precurser to Genesis. In other words it wasn't hopelessly out of date like the recent one night only's.
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Old 16-01-2014, 10:16
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they should have had magnus beat aj clean
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:00
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Nearly halfway through Hardcore Justice and it's been rather run of the mill so far.
Hope the second half improves.
Apart from the BroMans / Dewie Barnes segment (which was boring & cringeworthy as f**k) it wasn't bad viewing IMO!
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:03
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Because they were nowhere near ready to try and recreate the Monday Night War. The subsequent ratings proved that it wasn't the right thing to do. The War was a ratings hit because WCW and WWE were both big companies. It's a shame the internet thought a move that just proved how small league they were was the right thing to do, it's an even bigger shame the viewers didn't. If it was a great move, why did they go have to go back to Thursdays after three months?

They had an event in a school that drew 800 people. 800 people when Sting was advertised. That is piss poor. The IMPACT Zone did hold them back, the crowd was dead. They should have just moved to a new studio. They didn't have to take IMPACT on the road to breathe fresh life into the company.

That is my opinion yes.

Yeah bring in the biggest name in the industry, you don't make him the focus of your entire promotion. You also make sure he uses his star power to promote your company by wearing a bloody TNA tshirt when he appears on a national television programme that aired to 21.76 million people.

It makes no sense for the owner of the company to beg an employee to stay. There are plenty of ways to get someone over as a heel without getting on your knees and begging somebody to stay. It makes her look weaker than she already does.

As somebody that runs my own business, if I'm paying somebody to do a job, I expect them to be there doing it. I would never pay somebody to sit on their ass doing jack all. I want Bischoff gone, but I don't mean paying him whatever they are paying him when somebody like AJ Styles has walked out of the company.

No they wouldn't at all, they would get 10x the grief for it. If WWE ever did a house show to 800 people, in a school, they would get torn apart.

You don't film a pay-per-view nine months in advance. That is absolutely ridiculous. How does filming almost a year in advance make any logical sense? There are much better ways to do it.
I agree that lots of these things didn't work out. My argument was that they were logical decisions at the time they were made.

I don't think TNA is badly run; I think trying to expand a national pro wrestling outfit in the US right now is an impossible mission. I also think there's is a pattern of the internet urging TNA to do something, and then when they do it, they get slated for it.
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:05
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need toc hange ring ripes back to red

blue ropes is synonymous with B show.
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:25
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It depends on where you go for your information. There's only a few places that have legitmate information. The rest either make stuff up or try and spin the major sites news as their own and add things to it.

TNA's audience is happy to watch a free show, but not buy anything from the company. Thus hence the reduced house show schedule. Thus hence the reduced PPV show schedule. That stuff is visual. You can see it. TNA aren't cutting back on these things for fun. I don't understand how this is hard to grasp unless you're some hardcore fan in denial.

Even if you don't believe the numbers, TNA's reduction in PPV and house show schedule back up the fact that these revenue streams aren't successful.

The main sites on the whole that I've seen aren't overly critical of TNA. Meltzer and Alvarez are pretty fair. TNA does something good, they'll say so. If they do something bad, they'll say so. There's no point in talking up TNA for the sake of it.

It's up to you if you don't want to believe it or not. Many of the bottom end guys aren't getting paid a alot. This is the same company that refused to pay for Zema Ion's medical bills when he had a bowel cancer scare. The situation with Jesse Sorensen etc.

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-t...pots-interview

Well it must not work as I've seen a ton of negative stuff about WWE over the years about things they've done and about the quality of their shows. It's not exclusive to TNA.

Sting in a gym???? I never heard that story. Who reported it?

If you want to get inside information, go to the main places and not the sites that I've mentioned before. It's amazing the amount of stuff that gets attributed to a guy like Meltzer and he's never said anything close to it.

Anyway thoughts on Impact????

I see Wes Brisco and Jay Bradley have been released.
I think the observation about TNA's US audience not wanting to pay for the product is a good one. I imagine without WWE-style production values, there's a certain section of the audience you can't appeal to, and perhaps that section are also the ones most likely to spend.

I know it's common knowledge that TNA don't offer blanket health coverage. Probably they should, *if* they can afford it. Maybe they can't? But these stories about that, and people (allegedly) not getting paid much seem like a non-event to me. They are a small company - nobody's denying that.

By "Sting in a Gym" I meant the story (and pic) about him performing at that small TNA house show recently. Who reported it is a good question! I don't know where it came from originally. I noticed that story and pic cropped up on loads of forums and newsletters at the same time. I thought it was a total non-story to be honest. TNA play small house shows - we know this. So what?

I just wonder where the TNA FUD stories that get passed around each week come from. A news story is an angle; it's not objective, it spins facts (or rumour) a certain way. I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but it seems every week there's more TNA FUD, some of it of dubious credibility, and all with a relentlessly negative spin.

Oh yeah, Impact. I liked the run-in laden main event on Sunday. It was exciting and told a coherent story. I wish I hadn't already known the outcome. Stupid internet!

I know it's an old complaint, but I'd like to see more of the roster each week on Impact. More Samuel Shaw and Aries please.
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:14
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:55
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Old 17-01-2014, 10:17
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Hhmmmm .. they appear to have taped an angle where ..
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Old 18-01-2014, 11:50
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http://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/h...67890485_n.jpg

287 supposedly.

Bloody hell, that's grim.
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Old 18-01-2014, 12:03
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Not a fan of TNA by any means, however seeing that size crowd is sad.
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Old 18-01-2014, 12:30
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Well that's obviously the sign of a well run, successful company isn't it
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Old 18-01-2014, 12:52
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One positive for TNA though is the Impact/genesis show did a 1.1, so it must have had some curiosity with AJ.

Considering how strongly they booked him on the way out, they better have resigned him.
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Old 18-01-2014, 12:57
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for every one of those pictures circulated, there are probably 2 or 3 more from other house shows that sell well - I read a report from one recently that estimated over 1000 in attendance.

Suppose it's just another example of the self-appointed "IWC" using whatever they can to bash TNA
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Old 18-01-2014, 15:15
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for every one of those pictures circulated, there are probably 2 or 3 more from other house shows that sell well - I read a report from one recently that estimated over 1000 in attendance.

Suppose it's just another example of the self-appointed "IWC" using whatever they can to bash TNA
I know what you mean Jason, not all house shows are badly attended, but this picture shows a terribly thin audience in a venue that looks like it could hold ten times the number of attendees. I'm not trying to bash TNA, but however you look at it that's a serious miscalculation on TNA's part in booking the right venue for the right probable audience.
Worst of all it must be terribly demoralising for the wrestlers to come out and perform to so many empty seats.
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