TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV (Part 2)

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Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by seibu:
“I get that. Personally I find it unlikely a company would set up an elaborate conspiracy just to employ one writer. Even less that a TV company would cancel a show because they were upset about something so minor. The more you think about it the crazier it sounds, especially when there are more straightforward economic reasons for the decision.

When it comes to TNA it seems the internet will believe anything, as long as it's negative!”

And yet Russo has now left the company.

seibu

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“And yet Russo has now left the company.”

I think from his twitter he comes across as a total attention seeker who loves drama and disruption.

I personally don't think his leaving now proves a relationship to the Spike cancellation. I think TNA playing down his involvement had more to do with wanting his input without wanting his baggage. Not wanting Impact dismissed as "another Russo show" by the press / fans etc.

I could be wrong though. I'm not a TV exec and I have no idea how they make their decisions. I suppose I'm just assuming it's based primarily on money and very little else, like most things really

whedon247

31-07-2014

anyone who thinks russo had any impact with tna lately is deluded

watch those shows ffs, its bland wrasslin, russo had no creative input i would imagine.

only good thing about tna right now is hardy boys being reunited.

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“anyone who thinks russo had any impact with tna lately is deluded

watch those shows ffs, its bland wrasslin, russo had no creative input i would imagine.

only good thing about tna right now is hardy boys being reunited.”

So they employed him to sit on his arse and not have any input into the show?

cris182

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“So they employed him to sit on his arse and not have any input into the show?”

I wouldn't actually put it past TNA to do that haha. But you are right, Of course he was involved

whedon247

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“So they employed him to sit on his arse and not have any input into the show?”

any input he had is minimal

like i said said if you know anything about wrestling love him or hate him you know a russo show when you see one

DejaVoodoo

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by seibu:
“I think from his twitter he comes across as a total attention seeker who loves drama and disruption.

I personally don't think his leaving now proves a relationship to the Spike cancellation. I think TNA playing down his involvement had more to do with wanting his input without wanting his baggage. Not wanting Impact dismissed as "another Russo show" by the press / fans etc.

I could be wrong though. I'm not a TV exec and I have no idea how they make their decisions. I suppose I'm just assuming it's based primarily on money and very little else, like most things really ”

The Russo lie wasn't the sole reason. There were several reasons for the current situation. One being Spike struggling to get good paying advertising for Impact shows. Also Spike seemed to get good ratings from Cops, which has far less expense than Impact contract.

whedon247

31-07-2014

maybe tna should stop going back to orlando and using blue ropes.

only good things about tna right now are hardy boys,ec3 and christy hemme

ok i am being harsh but just think dixie runs company so bad.

if i owned tna i would make russo head booker and would over take wwe within 4 years

homer2012

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“So they employed him to sit on his arse and not have any input into the show?”

Agreed, he was involved.

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“any input he had is minimal

like i said said if you know anything about wrestling love him or hate him you know a russo show when you see one”

Minimal?

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“
if i owned tna i would make russo head booker and would over take wwe within 4 years”

*heads to nearest wall and headbutts it repeatedly* please say that is a comedy post? I mean russo did well with wcw didnt he.

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“maybe tna should stop going back to orlando and using blue ropes.

only good things about tna right now are hardy boys,ec3 and christy hemme

ok i am being harsh but just think dixie runs company so bad.

if i owned tna i would make russo head booker and would over take wwe within 4 years”

Like he was 2002-2004 and then 2006-2011.....

whedon247

31-07-2014

he has never had full control in tna

even during s.e.x vs tradition days it was watered down with 20 min x division matches and stuff

most impact he had was during tna best perioid with abyss/sting fued and sonjay dutt/lethal/so cal val triangle

even then it wasnt 100% like wwe/wcw days

i gotta say hollie i am dissapointed. you claim to have watched attitude era and understood it, but then say 2006-11 was a russo product.

wether he was classed as head booker or not,you should know the product wasnt crash tv.

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“he has never had full control in tna

even during s.e.x vs tradition days it was watered down with 20 min x division matches and stuff

most impact he had was during tna best perioid with abyss/sting fued and sonjay dutt/lethal/so cal val triangle

even then it wasnt 100% like wwe/wcw days

i gotta say hollie i am dissapointed. you claim to have watched attitude era and understood it, but then say 2006-11 was a russo product.

wether he was classed as head booker or not,you should know the product wasnt crash tv.”

I don't say it was a Russo product, his name at the top of scripts with the job title "Head Writer" says it's was a Russo product.

The product wasn't crash TV because networks wouldn't allow crash TV because the world has moved on from the 1990s, nobody can do the stuff Russo was writing in the 90s on national television. They would be off air in minutes.

whedon247

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I don't say it was a Russo product, his name at the top of scripts with the job title "Head Writer" says it's was a Russo product.

The product wasn't crash TV because networks wouldn't allow crash TV because the world has moved on from the 1990s, nobody can do the stuff Russo was writing in the 90s on national television. They would be off air in minutes.”

damn straight

btw crash tv is a way of segmenting shows, not really to do with sex,violence etc

FMKK

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“he has never had full control in tna

even during s.e.x vs tradition days it was watered down with 20 min x division matches and stuff

most impact he had was during tna best perioid with abyss/sting fued and sonjay dutt/lethal/so cal val triangle

even then it wasnt 100% like wwe/wcw days

i gotta say hollie i am dissapointed. you claim to have watched attitude era and understood it, but then say 2006-11 was a russo product.

wether he was classed as head booker or not,you should know the product wasnt crash tv.”

The best part of the show was watering down the worst part? That's a good thing! And that Sting/Abyss feud was senseless and dire. The best part about TNA in that era was the feuds between Daniels, AJ and Joe. I've seen some of the Impacts from that period recently and it really doesn't stand up well.

whedon247

31-07-2014

if 20 min flip flop matches do it for you thats great fmkk, i prefer attitude era style shows and similar i am afraid.

FMKK

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“if 20 min flip flop matches do it for you thats great fmkk, i prefer attitude era style shows and similar i am afraid.”

The fact is that, bar 2 years at the top (guided by the greatest wrestling promoter ever and with two of the top three biggest stars ever) Russo's career as a booker has consisted of failure after failure. X division was their only unique identity that WWE had. Crappy retreads of WCW 2000 style booking isn't going to help anyone in 2014.

whedon247

31-07-2014

most successfully period ever down to russo

without him wwe was poor, ratings wer ehigh but shows in 2000 sucked comapred to 1999 so vkm cant do alone

and wcw 99-00 was awesome, ratings were always gonna take time ebcause russo had made wwe a juggernaught

tna wise he has never been in charge long enough to judge

but hey you keep liking your new age wrestling where guys do 360 flip sommersaults and miss their opponents and then get right up without selling. you can have that all to yourself. T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!

THIS IS AWESOME! THIS IS AWESOME! lulz

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“most successfully period ever down to russo

without him wwe was poor, ratings wer ehigh but shows in 2000 sucked comapred to 1999 so vkm cant do alone

and wcw 99-00 was awesome, ratings were always gonna take time ebcause russo had made wwe a juggernaught

tna wise he has never been in charge long enough to judge

but hey you keep liking your new age wrestling where guys do 360 flip sommersaults and miss their opponents and then get right up without selling. you can have that all to yourself. T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!T-N-A!

THIS IS AWESOME! THIS IS AWESOME! lulz”

You say the greatest period in wrestling was down to Russo but he has never once recaptured that success after leaving WWE.

whedon247

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“You say the greatest period in wrestling was down to Russo but he has never once recaptured that success after leaving WWE.”

wcw 99-00 was just as good creative wise

why do you always chime in like i am faking my love for russo? why would i lie? if i didnt like his post wwe work i would say so wouldnt i, i call him the best mind in the business because i beleive it and he has shown it.

p.s your quotes about russo but how come you call vkm a creative genius when his shows have got so bad since 1999?

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“wcw 99-00 was just as good creative wise

why do you always chime in like i am faking my love for russo? why would i lie? if i didnt like his post wwe work i would say so wouldnt i, i call him the best mind in the business because i beleive it and he has shown it.”

I genuinely believe you do love Russo, I don't understand what you can attribute to him post helping to kill WCW.

He showed, as FMKK said, he had a successful two years under the greatest promoter in the industry and with two of the biggest names in the industry. His WCW work didn't lead to ratings or PPV buys, it led to David Arquette being WCW Champion.

The measure of the success of Russo in WWE is how he turned ratings around with his booking, the measure of the success of Russo in WCW is the same and the truth is, his booking didn't equal success for the company, it sunk ratings and PPV buys.

And now you can show me a post where I said Vince is a "creative genius". You say Vince's shows have been bad since 1999 yet you still sit and watch every week 15 years on...

whedon247

31-07-2014

he came in as wcw was at lowest ebb, its like football, take over a relegation team,keep um afloat and build in the future, he didnt get that chance did he?

austin and rock are 2 biggest names because of russo

if they came in to the business now they would be no bigger than punk and orton.

its all about the scripts.

p.s i am a wrestling fan, i will always watch, even when i stopped watching wwe i still caught impact.

FMKK

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by whedon247:
“he came in as wcw was at lowest ebb, its like football, take over a relegation team,keep um afloat and build in the future, he didnt get that chance did he?

austin and rock are 2 biggest names because of russo

if they came in to the business now they would be no bigger than punk and orton.

its all about the scripts.

p.s i am a wrestling fan, i will always watch, even when i stopped watching wwe i still caught impact.”

Austin got over due to the combined factors of his own amazing talent and knowledge (which is unmatched in today's wrestling,) Bret Hart and Vince McMahon.

Russo took WCW in 1999 (which totally sucked) to a level so low that no major wrestling promotion has ever been worse in 2000. He wasn't turning it around he was hammering the nails into the coffin.

Hollie_Louise

31-07-2014

Because WWE never created stars before Russo. Who remembers Hogan, Warrior, Roberts, Andre?

FMKK

31-07-2014

But this is almost like a Russo interview where everything good that ever happened was all down to him but nothing bad that happened was ever his fault. Bullshit. Some with the assertion that WWF was better in 1999 than 2000!

whedon247

31-07-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Because WWE never created stars before Russo. Who remembers Hogan, Warrior, Roberts, Andre?”

and who since?

angle and orton,lesnar only ones i can think off,and even then lesnar does not ticks all boxes. punk,bryans all great but anyone on austin/rock/hogan level?

fmkk-you put none of austin down to russo? the beerk trucks drenching? the throwing off bridge? the ripping titantron? none of that helped austin get over? wow!....wow!

and do you really need to be so rude? wwf 99 had much betetr storylines, 2000 just had betetr idnividual matches. i know which i prefer.

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