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PWinsider is reporting Bully Ray is done with TNA, his contract is up and is not being renewed.
Ray is rumoured to be in the same boat as Angle where WWE don't want him, so for him not to get a new deal is a bad sign, as he presumably would have wanted to stay. Quote:
God, I hope that's not true.
Out of all the recent leavers from TNA, Bully Ray would be missed the most I think. Look at the response he's been getting from the crowds in New York, and look at the smile on his face too - he's clearly been having the best time recently. How the hell can TNA NOT renew his contract? |
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Well he still going in the TNA hall of fame right?
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God, I hope that's not true.
Out of all the recent leavers from TNA, Bully Ray would be missed the most I think. Look at the response he's been getting from the crowds in New York, and look at the smile on his face too - he's clearly been having the best time recently. How the hell can TNA NOT renew his contract? ![]() (There's a dozen others I'd get rid of before bully!)
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Terrible news about Bully. Everything points to Aries winding down too (probably retirement). I feel like as soon as the Carters got involved, TNA became a house of cards build on Bob's money injections. As soon as Bob removed the life support, the chain reaction was inevitable:
No crazy money = No Hogan & Sting, no bi-weekly touring Impact, and eventually no AJ or Angle either. Losing these things (despite the ratings remaining more or less unaffected, which is completely miraculous) = (quite probably) no TV deal. No TV deal = no company. Much as Bob was upset at pouring money into TNA with no return, without his money the company will now soon be virtually worthless. Having said that, was TNA ever actually viable? It was struggling to survive the moment it was launched. My feeling always has been that the wrestling market probably isn't there nowadays for a #2 US promotion with national TV. Anyway, at times they've put out some great TV. One day people will look back at some Impacts and say: "Hold on, I thought TNA was supposed to be garbage?". I hope they can keep going, but if I had to bet on it, based on the hard evidence we have right now, I'd probably bet against it. |
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Bryan Alvarez said there was a period pre Hogan where TNA was profitable, though as I said before God knows what actually goes on inside TNA.
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I can see ray either completing the program with the hardys because it's "good for business" or he'll do it because they'll agree a short term contract extension or something like that.
for them to drop the hardys/3D program before the blow-off match would just be absurd. IF this is all true though, to be fair. |
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Be a massive loss Bully.
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I presume if TNA does go under, Vince will pick up the tape library. It could prove useful for the inevitable documentaries of Angle and Sting.
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I presume if TNA does go under, Vince will pick up the tape library. It could prove useful for the inevitable documentaries of Angle and Sting.
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Bryan Alvarez said there was a period pre Hogan where TNA was profitable, though as I said before God knows what actually goes on inside TNA.
There's an interview with Kurt being touted on a few sites where he says UTA might be holding up a Spike deal, by actually encouraging TNA to hold out for a better contract than their current one. I don't see why they would be in a position to expect that, given the loss of Hogan & Sting, and WWE's disappointing new deal, but it's a possibility I hadn't thought of. It's true those agencies will always tell you to turn down the first offer. I still personally think it's more likely Spike are dropping or lowballing TNA. But I'd love to be wrong! |
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Terrible news about Bully. Everything points to Aries winding down too (probably retirement). I feel like as soon as the Carters got involved, TNA became a house of cards build on Bob's money injections. As soon as Bob removed the life support, the chain reaction was inevitable:
No crazy money = No Hogan & Sting, no bi-weekly touring Impact, and eventually no AJ or Angle either. Losing these things (despite the ratings remaining more or less unaffected, which is completely miraculous) = (quite probably) no TV deal. No TV deal = no company. Much as Bob was upset at pouring money into TNA with no return, without his money the company will now soon be virtually worthless. Having said that, was TNA ever actually viable? It was struggling to survive the moment it was launched. My feeling always has been that the wrestling market probably isn't there nowadays for a #2 US promotion with national TV. Anyway, at times they've put out some great TV. One day people will look back at some Impacts and say: "Hold on, I thought TNA was supposed to be garbage?". I hope they can keep going, but if I had to bet on it, based on the hard evidence we have right now, I'd probably bet against it. Supposedly, TNA had lost $46m as of a few years back when they spoke to Heyman as he saw the books. TNA have zero leverage in negotiations with Spike. It looks unlikely that any main cable channels want wrestling and considering September schedules are usually finalised by now, the best TNA can hope for is a Spike renewal on a lower offer, minus 15% UTA automatically take in these deals. |
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“IMPACT WRESTLING will remain a vital part of Spike TV's programming on Wednesday nights, 9/8c, through the end of the year. Negotiations remain ongoing beyond this time frame.”
Tonight marks IMPACT WRESTLING’s official move to Wednesday nights. Tune in at 9/8c for the most anticipated night of hardcore wrestling on television. One of TNA’s most popular annual Pay-Per-Views “Hardcore Justice,” will be featured tonight, free on Spike TV. http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/6020 |
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I suppose the viewing figures for Wednesday night will be interesting.
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“IMPACT WRESTLING will remain a vital part of Spike TV's programming on Wednesday nights, 9/8c, through the end of the year. Negotiations remain ongoing beyond this time frame.”
Tonight marks IMPACT WRESTLING’s official move to Wednesday nights. Tune in at 9/8c for the most anticipated night of hardcore wrestling on television. One of TNA’s most popular annual Pay-Per-Views “Hardcore Justice,” will be featured tonight, free on Spike TV. http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/6020 This totally changes my view on things. Spike have no reason to offer TNA an extension if they don't ultimately want to keep them. If they wanted to drop them they'd just do it when the contract expires on September 25th. So what's holding up the negotiations? It could actually be UTA advising TNA to hold out for better terms. It could be Spike wanting to pay less or have more creative control. It could even be Spike wanting to buy a stake. We'll find out I guess. Really pleased ![]() Also, didn't Meltzer say negotiations were over and No Surrender would be the last Impact on Spike? Just sayin'. |
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I suppose the viewing figures for Wednesday night will be interesting.
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They're taping impacts for broadcast after Bound for Glory a month before it, which is odd, but I guess it matters less than the tv deal.
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Definitely. I'm not expecting great things. Shall we have a sweepstake? I'm going for ... hmm ... 800,000? I hope that's not too high.
It's obviously good news that Spike are keeping them through 2014 but I won't get my hopes up just yet about a deal into 2015. This could just be Spike giving them time to find a new deal after the money they have pumped into them. |
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They're taping impacts for broadcast after Bound for Glory a month before it, which is odd, but I guess it matters less than the tv deal.
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Awesome, just got in and saw this on the TNA site.
This totally changes my view on things. Spike have no reason to offer TNA an extension if they don't ultimately want to keep them. If they wanted to drop them they'd just do it when the contract expires on September 25th. So what's holding up the negotiations? It could actually be UTA advising TNA to hold out for better terms. It could be Spike wanting to pay less or have more creative control. It could even be Spike wanting to buy a stake. We'll find out I guess. Really pleased ![]() Also, didn't Meltzer say negotiations were over and No Surrender would be the last Impact on Spike? Just sayin'. |
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No, they're not through BFG with the tapings yet. They still have some episodes to tape before the ppv and they'll tape them in 3 weeks in Betlehem. They'll tape a One Night Only PPV as well.
*Unless it's the ONO, in which case the 18/9 taping would be for 15 & 22/10 |
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Who said they got an extension? For all we know they could be there without a contract until December (ECW did in 2000, same channel). They got more time, which is good, but it's still a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way before they're out of the woods.
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They're taping impacts for broadcast after Bound for Glory a month before it, which is odd, but I guess it matters less than the tv deal.
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No, they're not through BFG with the tapings yet. They still have some episodes to tape before the ppv and they'll tape them in 3 weeks in Betlehem. They'll tape a One Night Only PPV as well.
Friday, September 5, Charlottesville, VA ONO: Turning Point Saturday, September 6, Roanoke Rapids, North Carolina ONO: Rivals Sunday, September 7, Fayetteville, NC "International Television Event" Tuesday-Friday, Sept. 16-19, Bethlehem, PA "IMPACT WRESTLING Live!" http://www.impactwrestling.com/live-events So a) dirtsheet sites wrong as usual. b) looks like two, maybe 3 house shows converted to ONOs. Eight(!) weeks of TV at Bethlehem. That's a lot of TV at Bethlehem. Hope they can draw. |
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It's obviously good news that Spike are keeping them through 2014 but I won't get my hopes up just yet about a deal into 2015. This could just be Spike giving them time to find a new deal after the money they have pumped into them.
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Who said they got an extension? For all we know they could be there without a contract until December (ECW did in 2000, same channel). They got more time, which is good, but it's still a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way before they're out of the woods.
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hardys vs 3d was great, tna been putting on same cracking matches recently.
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There are reports out that TNA have had their deal renewed because Spike are still looking to purchase a majority of the company and don't want to be in a position where IMPACT isn't airing.
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