when are they gonna leave NY? lol
talka bout staying too long, so many damn tapings ha
talka bout staying too long, so many damn tapings ha
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Pretty sure the next set of tapings is elsewhere, though I'm not entire sure where that is. That's supposed to do them all the way up to Bound For Glory.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Pretty sure the next set of tapings is elsewhere, though I'm not entire sure where that is. That's supposed to do them all the way up to Bound For Glory.”
“Pretty sure the next set of tapings is elsewhere, though I'm not entire sure where that is. That's supposed to do them all the way up to Bound For Glory.”
They have 2 sets of tapings: one this weekend (the 5th in Charlottesville, VA, the 6th in Roanoke Rapids, NC and the 7th in Fayetteville, NC) involving 2 One Night Only tapings and 1 Impact taping (probably for 2 shows). The second set is from September 16th to September 19th in Betlehem, PA and it's all Impact shows.
From Wrestling Observer
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“Whether this is true or not, the wrestlers were again told of late not to worry about television and that TV next year is all set in the sense there will be TV somewhere. As things stand right now, Bound for Glory is the only date on the schedule for the month of October and there are no future house shows scheduled. This has a lot of the talent which was working on a per-event deal kind of in a panic and worrying about their income being maybe half of what they expected it to be going forward unless they can get indie dates. The talent that worked the house shows regularly were making more than half their income from working house show dates. One thing that has changed is that the talent is allowed to appear on DVDs in the new contracts (or at least the contracts with a couple of people who relayed this info to us). They believe they are allowed to book themselves with any promotion that doesn’t have national TV, or doesn’t run on PPV, meaning the only companies they couldn’t work out dates for are WWE, ROH and the El Rey promotion.”
“Whether this is true or not, the wrestlers were again told of late not to worry about television and that TV next year is all set in the sense there will be TV somewhere. As things stand right now, Bound for Glory is the only date on the schedule for the month of October and there are no future house shows scheduled. This has a lot of the talent which was working on a per-event deal kind of in a panic and worrying about their income being maybe half of what they expected it to be going forward unless they can get indie dates. The talent that worked the house shows regularly were making more than half their income from working house show dates. One thing that has changed is that the talent is allowed to appear on DVDs in the new contracts (or at least the contracts with a couple of people who relayed this info to us). They believe they are allowed to book themselves with any promotion that doesn’t have national TV, or doesn’t run on PPV, meaning the only companies they couldn’t work out dates for are WWE, ROH and the El Rey promotion.”
Impact did 1.095.000 viewers on Spike last night, so they got their audience to watch them on wednesday.
COPS right before Impact did 1.04 millions, which is both good and bad. It's good because Impact beat it and used the lead-in fine, but it's also bad because it shows once again to Spike that they could easily afford to lose TNA and have pretty much the same audience at a much lower cost.
COPS right before Impact did 1.04 millions, which is both good and bad. It's good because Impact beat it and used the lead-in fine, but it's also bad because it shows once again to Spike that they could easily afford to lose TNA and have pretty much the same audience at a much lower cost.
Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“Impact did 1.095.000 viewers on Spike last night, so they got their audience to watch them on wednesday.
COPS right before Impact did 1.04 millions, which is both good and bad. It's good because Impact beat it and used the lead-in fine, but it's also bad because it shows once again to Spike that they could easily afford to lose TNA and have pretty much the same audience at a much lower cost.”
“Impact did 1.095.000 viewers on Spike last night, so they got their audience to watch them on wednesday.
COPS right before Impact did 1.04 millions, which is both good and bad. It's good because Impact beat it and used the lead-in fine, but it's also bad because it shows once again to Spike that they could easily afford to lose TNA and have pretty much the same audience at a much lower cost.”
I'm not sure COPS will actually be cheaper to air for Spike than TNA. It depends on the syndication deal they have. Stuff like that is usually pretty smart: Old Simpsons and Friends may be ancient, but showing them still costs a bomb because they bring in the viewers.
With respect to BFG, I think TNA have pretty much given up on PPV. A big shame.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“I'm not sure COPS will actually be cheaper to air for Spike than TNA. It depends on the syndication deal they have. Stuff like that is usually pretty smart: Old Simpsons and Friends may be ancient, but showing them still costs a bomb because they bring in the viewers.
With respect to BFG, I think TNA have pretty much given up on PPV. A big shame.”
“I'm not sure COPS will actually be cheaper to air for Spike than TNA. It depends on the syndication deal they have. Stuff like that is usually pretty smart: Old Simpsons and Friends may be ancient, but showing them still costs a bomb because they bring in the viewers.
With respect to BFG, I think TNA have pretty much given up on PPV. A big shame.”
It's not syndication, Spike have the rights for new episodes. COPS is not airing on FOX anymore.
Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“It's not syndication, Spike have the rights for new episodes. COPS is not airing on FOX anymore.”
“It's not syndication, Spike have the rights for new episodes. COPS is not airing on FOX anymore.”
Are they new episodes of COPS? Sorry, I didn't know that.
The anti-TNA crew on wrestling forums make a big deal out of COPS beating TNA in the ratings, so I figured they were old repeats or something. If they're new episodes I don't see the shame in them sometimes out-rating TNA. COPS back in the day was a really popular show.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“Are they new episodes of COPS? Sorry, I didn't know that.
The anti-TNA crew on wrestling forums make a big deal out of COPS beating TNA in the ratings, so I figured they were old repeats or something. If they're new episodes I don't see the shame in them sometimes out-rating TNA. COPS back in the day was a really popular show.”
“Are they new episodes of COPS? Sorry, I didn't know that.
The anti-TNA crew on wrestling forums make a big deal out of COPS beating TNA in the ratings, so I figured they were old repeats or something. If they're new episodes I don't see the shame in them sometimes out-rating TNA. COPS back in the day was a really popular show.”
The problem is that it's on the same level as TNA even when they do like 3-4 hours marathons, so that proves Spike that they can easily put COPS in there and have pretty much have the same audience, but with the difference that COPS has far better ad rates and costs far less to produce (it's guys shooting policemen at work, it's nowhere near as costly as TNA).
Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“The problem is that it's on the same level as TNA even when they do like 3-4 hours marathons, so that proves Spike that they can easily put COPS in there and have pretty much have the same audience, but with the difference that COPS has far better ad rates and costs far less to produce (it's guys shooting policemen at work, it's nowhere near as costly as TNA).”
“The problem is that it's on the same level as TNA even when they do like 3-4 hours marathons, so that proves Spike that they can easily put COPS in there and have pretty much have the same audience, but with the difference that COPS has far better ad rates and costs far less to produce (it's guys shooting policemen at work, it's nowhere near as costly as TNA).”
That was my point really: I'm no TV executive but I'm by no means convinced COPS is cheaper for Spike to show than TNA. Especially if it's new episodes.
It don't think it's safe to assume it's cheaper to shoot. What about insurance? Mobile equipment? TNA must have been damn cheap to shoot when it was at Universal, and even now they're doing big blocks of TV in the same location. Also, surely TNA themselves absorb most of that cost? Maybe even all of it.
Even if COPS is cheaper to shoot than TNA, the cost to Spike for rights isn't necessarily lower than the rights for TNA. If COPS brings in 1m+ viewers it isn't going to be cheap.
COPS is a popular show and a big brand which has been going over twenty years. I'm pretty impressed that something as unfashionable as professional wrestling can rival it in terms of ratings in 2014.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“when are they gonna leave NY? lol
talka bout staying too long, so many damn tapings ha”
“when are they gonna leave NY? lol
talka bout staying too long, so many damn tapings ha”
Yeah, it's a total of twelve weeks(!) in NY.
It's going to be eight weeks back in Bethlehem too. Before that though there'll be two weeks in Charlottesville which should be a little different.
Taping so far ahead makes the shows a little less exciting for me, even though I don't read spoilers. It also makes it much harder to discuss the shows online without some jerk (not on this forum, but on others) thoughtlessly spoiling stuff.
FWIW enjoyed Impact again this week. The Lashley / Joe match had its moments. Apparently it did over one million viewers in the US too. Damn that TNA audience is loyal; three weeks on a new day and already back up to the same rating. I thought it'd take months.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“That was my point really: I'm no TV executive but I'm by no means convinced COPS is cheaper for Spike to show than TNA. Especially if it's new episodes.
It don't think it's safe to assume it's cheaper to shoot. What about insurance? Mobile equipment? TNA must have been damn cheap to shoot when it was at Universal, and even now they're doing big blocks of TV in the same location. Also, surely TNA themselves absorb most of that cost? Maybe even all of it.
Even if COPS is cheaper to shoot than TNA, the cost to Spike for rights isn't necessarily lower than the rights for TNA. If COPS brings in 1m+ viewers it isn't going to be cheap.
COPS is a popular show and a big brand which has been going over twenty years. I'm pretty impressed that something as unfashionable as professional wrestling can rival it in terms of ratings in 2014.”
“That was my point really: I'm no TV executive but I'm by no means convinced COPS is cheaper for Spike to show than TNA. Especially if it's new episodes.
It don't think it's safe to assume it's cheaper to shoot. What about insurance? Mobile equipment? TNA must have been damn cheap to shoot when it was at Universal, and even now they're doing big blocks of TV in the same location. Also, surely TNA themselves absorb most of that cost? Maybe even all of it.
Even if COPS is cheaper to shoot than TNA, the cost to Spike for rights isn't necessarily lower than the rights for TNA. If COPS brings in 1m+ viewers it isn't going to be cheap.
COPS is a popular show and a big brand which has been going over twenty years. I'm pretty impressed that something as unfashionable as professional wrestling can rival it in terms of ratings in 2014.”
Should think the COPS insurance rates have gone through the roof since that crew member was killed by police during a robbery a couple of weeks ago.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“That was my point really: I'm no TV executive but I'm by no means convinced COPS is cheaper for Spike to show than TNA. Especially if it's new episodes.
It don't think it's safe to assume it's cheaper to shoot. What about insurance? Mobile equipment? TNA must have been damn cheap to shoot when it was at Universal, and even now they're doing big blocks of TV in the same location. Also, surely TNA themselves absorb most of that cost? Maybe even all of it.
Even if COPS is cheaper to shoot than TNA, the cost to Spike for rights isn't necessarily lower than the rights for TNA. If COPS brings in 1m+ viewers it isn't going to be cheap.
COPS is a popular show and a big brand which has been going over twenty years. I'm pretty impressed that something as unfashionable as professional wrestling can rival it in terms of ratings in 2014.”
“That was my point really: I'm no TV executive but I'm by no means convinced COPS is cheaper for Spike to show than TNA. Especially if it's new episodes.
It don't think it's safe to assume it's cheaper to shoot. What about insurance? Mobile equipment? TNA must have been damn cheap to shoot when it was at Universal, and even now they're doing big blocks of TV in the same location. Also, surely TNA themselves absorb most of that cost? Maybe even all of it.
Even if COPS is cheaper to shoot than TNA, the cost to Spike for rights isn't necessarily lower than the rights for TNA. If COPS brings in 1m+ viewers it isn't going to be cheap.
COPS is a popular show and a big brand which has been going over twenty years. I'm pretty impressed that something as unfashionable as professional wrestling can rival it in terms of ratings in 2014.”
Spike had been funding the tapings when they went on the road. The production of a single taping has been said to be 600,000$. No way COPS costs the same, it's waaaaaaaay less.
Wrestling Observer has direct quotes from David Schwarz, Senior Vice President of Communications with Spike TV where he appears to be talking about the relationship between Spike & TNA in the past tense.
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““I want to start by saying we enjoyed a great relationship, a very collaborative relationship with Dixie Carter and her team over the years. We took TNA from a late night spot on Saturday nights, doing 500,000 viewers, to a two-hour time slot that did two million viewers over time. Spike went out of its way, not in just adhering to its contract, but above and beyond the contract.
"We paid Hulk Hogan, we paid Eric Bischoff, with our money. We financed many shows. We financed U.K. shows. We helped promote. We gave TNA a prime time slot of Thursdays from 9-11 p.m."”
““I want to start by saying we enjoyed a great relationship, a very collaborative relationship with Dixie Carter and her team over the years. We took TNA from a late night spot on Saturday nights, doing 500,000 viewers, to a two-hour time slot that did two million viewers over time. Spike went out of its way, not in just adhering to its contract, but above and beyond the contract.
"We paid Hulk Hogan, we paid Eric Bischoff, with our money. We financed many shows. We financed U.K. shows. We helped promote. We gave TNA a prime time slot of Thursdays from 9-11 p.m."”
was huge supporter of TNA against the blindless itnernet haters for a decade, been a big critic last few years but watching impact in NY shows the potential for a rival to wwe, real shame if they dont stay on a good TV channel.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Impact scored 1.049m on Thursday, only down around 4%.”
“Impact scored 1.049m on Thursday, only down around 4%.”
For contrast COPS did 910.000 at 19.29, 1.033.000 at 19.59 and 1.170.000 at 20.29.
Seems like a moot point anyway, all signs point to Spike ending the relationship with TNA at the end of the year. There are apparently 4 channels in talks with TNA: one is Velocity, which would be a disaster, the other is WGN America (which dropped WWE, so who knows how serious they are and how much money they're offering) and 2 other channels (1 is said to be pretty much in the same number of houses Spike is, the other in less). Again the important thing is money, even if they do find a channel it remains to be seen how much money they get from the tv rights, because if they get less than what they get on Spike they'll be forced to downsize the company even more (and considering people is leaving the company left and right, both as talent and management, that could be really bad).
https://twitter.com/JeremyBorash/sta...76352771235840
JB is filming a "TNA Legends" show for broadcast later in the year. No mention of which territories.
JB is filming a "TNA Legends" show for broadcast later in the year. No mention of which territories.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“no surrender looks like a great card(im on uk pace)
any idea what ratings were in america?”
“no surrender looks like a great card(im on uk pace)
any idea what ratings were in america?”
They did 1.110.000 viewers, so they gained like 50.000 viewers from last week.
Just working my way through Sunday's Impact on the DVR. Man, that Wolves / Hardys / Team 3D ladder match is just superb. I'd recommend anyone to check it out, TNA fan or not.
Originally Posted by JackFoley:
“They did 1.110.000 viewers, so they gained like 50.000 viewers from last week.”
“They did 1.110.000 viewers, so they gained like 50.000 viewers from last week.”
When does no surrender air in the UK? is it a separate PPV or Sunday's impact? ... Which I've recorded but not watched yet! 😊
Apparently there could be a new TV deal announced in the next week. Hopefully it's a good one to keep them going.
Originally Posted by SimonB79:
“When does no surrender air in the UK? is it a separate PPV or Sunday's impact? ... Which I've recorded but not watched yet! 😊”
“When does no surrender air in the UK? is it a separate PPV or Sunday's impact? ... Which I've recorded but not watched yet! 😊”
It's just Sunday's Impact. I've watched it all now and I honestly think it was the best Impact I've seen for quite some time. The title match was nearly as good as the TLC match, and all the undercard matches made sense too. First Impact TV Special which has genuinely approached the "PPV quality" they claim.
EDIT: *But* I absolutely hate the current Gunner / Shaw angle. Terrible waste of both of those guys.
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“Apparently there could be a new TV deal announced in the next week. Hopefully it's a good one to keep them going.”
“Apparently there could be a new TV deal announced in the next week. Hopefully it's a good one to keep them going.”
Great news! Thanks for that. I'm so confused as to what Spike are playing at. Why renew Impact for three months if they're not still negotiating? But then the (really unprofessional) comments from the Spike exec a few weeks ago made it pretty clear they were done with TNA. Weird company.
I think the best-case scenario would be re-signing with Spike and continuing to make the quality of show they had at No Surrender. Failing that, any TV deal is better than none.
Originally Posted by seibu:
“It's just Sunday's Impact. I've watched it all now and I honestly think it was the best Impact I've seen for quite some time. The title match was nearly as good as the TLC match, and all the undercard matches made sense too. First Impact TV Special which has genuinely approached the "PPV quality" they claim.
Great news! Thanks for that. I'm so confused as to what Spike are playing at. Why renew Impact for three months if they're not still negotiating? But then the (really unprofessional) comments from the Spike exec a few weeks ago made it pretty clear they were done with TNA. Weird company.
I think the best-case scenario would be re-signing with Spike and continuing to make the quality of show they had at No Surrender. Failing that, any TV deal is better than none.”
“It's just Sunday's Impact. I've watched it all now and I honestly think it was the best Impact I've seen for quite some time. The title match was nearly as good as the TLC match, and all the undercard matches made sense too. First Impact TV Special which has genuinely approached the "PPV quality" they claim.
Great news! Thanks for that. I'm so confused as to what Spike are playing at. Why renew Impact for three months if they're not still negotiating? But then the (really unprofessional) comments from the Spike exec a few weeks ago made it pretty clear they were done with TNA. Weird company.
I think the best-case scenario would be re-signing with Spike and continuing to make the quality of show they had at No Surrender. Failing that, any TV deal is better than none.”
I imagine it's a good will gesture because they know TNA will be done if they can't find a new channel. Spike obviously wanted TNA to do well or they wouldn't have put as much money into them.
There are rumours Spike wanted to purchase a controlling stake in TNA (51%) and gave them until the end 2014 so the negotiations to purchase didn't have to be rushed. They've apparently cooled off on the idea of buying TNA and Dixie was against it anyway.
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