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Just caught up with Wednesday,Thursday and Fridays episode.
I am starting to warm to Al now. He's a bit different to the other Characters on Doctors. Sure he's a bit annoying and lazy (and Weird) but deep down he does care but just doesn't like to show it. He always manages to come good in the end. No return for Julia then She wants out at the Mill nowshe wants to retire but I think before she does she needs to visit the Doctors and her Million Friends in Letherbridge. A guest stint is a must. Fantastic scenes with Chris and Emma,Chris and Sam He really does have a temper does our Chris. If Sam goes through with the Death it's going to hit him really,really hard. Mondays episode looks good......It's nice to see Driver is back too ![]() A good week ![]() Anyone catch that photo of him in his uni gear? That made me laugh! |
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wow, quite a few different viewpoints to take on board and consider, since I posted mine. not great at doing quotes, so just referring to some recent points of OPs...
yes, I can see that from Emma's and Chri's POV, Sam taking his own life would be seen as unacceptable - especially Chris really cos Emma doesn't act as though she loves him, just spouts the words - though we still don't seem to have the full picture on their relationship. wonder if we ever will? I don't think Chris is a spoilt brat. he seems to genuinely care for people and be a good guy. he has a selfish mother who it seems never put him first, even when he was younger. He seem/ed to have a lovely relationship with Sam - think back to the day of the accident when they were out cycling together. So this must hit him so hard - BUT IMHO Sam is the one in the wheelchair hardly able to move, sitting there all day whilst they both free to come and go. maybe before the stroke things might not have seemed so hopeless to Sam - but now... well, i CAN understand it, though of course many will disagree. Al is SO repulsive - they've obviously deliberately made his character that way but i really can't see any doctor acting and dressing like that in real life? i wouldn't go back for a second visit to him anyway. anyone know if/when Zara is coming back? what does the future hold for her and Daniel? and still puzzled by Mrs Tembes various wigs - and will we ever find out her backstory?? phew was on a roll there. Doctors isn't great at the minute, but Corrie is SO bad that Doctors beats it hands down IMO. In a nutshell i think Sam wanting to end his life because he currently cannot move is very drastic. As was pointed out by that rep from the clinic, he is not actually dying either. I could go on but I made most of my points in the previous post on this and soaps being soaps will rather go for stories they can sensationalise and have dramatic, drastic ends rather than completely mirror what happens much more in real life. |
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There is a new interview with one of the Doctors cast in another part of DS, but it also uncovers a bit of a spoiler that some of you may not want to know in advance. I can't even post the link as the description in the link gives the spoiler away kind of.
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I'm really struggling with Chris' attitude. To me yes acting like a young child. As a nurse he surely understands the future his/father faces. I appreciate its his dad but as a nurse myself I would understand if my dad wanted to do this, once I got over the initial shock, I would support him. Stropping about like a toddler isn't helping. That's all.... |
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I'm really struggling with Chris' attitude. To me yes acting like a young child. As a nurse he surely understands the future his/father faces. I appreciate its his dad but as a nurse myself I would understand if my dad wanted to do this, once I got over the initial shock, I would support him. Stropping about like a toddler isn't helping. That's all.... |
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I dont think it makes Sam lily livered that he accepts Emma's needs elsewhere - it made for an unconventional relationship yes, but doesnt necessarily imply weakness in my mind - probably you need more strength to accept that. I know that if Mr Champers played away I'd have his bits for ear-rings. Admittedly not very pretty ones ...
I've been thinking about Sam's condition, I can't really see why he finds his existence untenable -the stroke damage could be physioed surely? And has his mental faculties - he can think and reason and speak clearly he could still lecture , write papers etc - Stephen Hawking does it ... also was reading on Twitter about Jim Sweeney today who has MS (those of you who remember the original Whose Line Is It Anyway? might recall him.) His will to live is inspiring. SO Sam and his 'Oh my catheter spilled' is a bit hollow. My Mum is 80 and has only 9 toes, less hair, cant walk far, and has no small intestine but she's still feisty. In fact I got told off today for 'not have a Sholley' lol I guess my point is if they are going down the euthanasia route, at least make it believable... |
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I think it really is a very individual choice. My best friend broke her back in a car accident at T1 and cannot move or feel anything below her chest. She is full of life and nothing stops her doing anything. In comparison I remember reading about a young man of 23 who suffered a spinal injury in rugby and went to dignitas and commited suicide. Stephen Hawking, severely limited physically obviously still has a huge will to live.
Sam basically only has the use of one hand now, we know he has a catheter and is probably doubly incontinent. This leaves him with little to no dignity and maybe that is what he cannot deal with. My grandmother didn't leave her home for 10 years because she was too proud to be seen with a walking frame. Just on a side note, did anyone wonder how Sam was going to move from the hallway after showing the euthenasia man out? I mean he is in a manual wheelchair and can only use one hand. As a wheelchair user myself I can confirm that if you just use one hand you do tend to go round in circles and not forward! Lot's of giggling was done in my home as I tried to "recreate" the scene In all seriousness though surely Emma would have the funds to buy him a power chair.
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The problem with Al is that unless he thinks a patients problem is serious or unique enough, he doesn't take them seriously and does not consider every thing that he should, nor ask the questions that he should before sending people on their way. He's missed a number of diagnosis because of this and unless he starts treating all of his patients seriously, he really will come a cropper sooner or later. He also has an annoyong habbit of as good as blaming the patient for not pointing out the symptoms that will make his ears prick up. Not good but I still would like to see him stay on in the show.
Anyone catch that photo of him in his uni gear? That made me laugh! ![]() Todays episode was very good once again The scenes with Sam,Emma and Chris are fantastic but a little emotional. I can see everyone's sides during this but it's always going to be hard trying to do the right thing. I am not sure Emma or Chris will be happy with everyone at the Mill knowing everything. What will Zara say about Howard being a Partner? ![]() Loved Jimmi and Drivers scenes and it was good to see her back again. Strange Rob didn't feature today. |
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Would even Swiss doctors be allowed to sanction a suicide for someone in Sam's condition. He would be capable of committing suicide himself I would think. The rugby player who went to Switzerland was paralysed from the neck down and couldn't feed himself, and faced another 50 years or so in that condition .
The day story was believable and quite moving |
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Would even Swiss doctors be allowed to sanction a suicide for someone in Sam's condition. He would be capable of committing suicide himself I would think. The rugby player who went to Switzerland was paralysed from the neck down and couldn't feed himself, and faced another 50 years or so in that condition .
The day story was believable and quite moving |
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He would have to rely on other people to provide the means as he cant do anything without help which would implicate them in his death and they could end up implicated in his murder , it is still a criminal offence to aid someone in suicide and the added bonus would be both emma and chris would probably be barred from practicing medicine as it's against the hippocratic oath
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He will need to administer it himself. I think if you can't pick it up they can put a straw in it, but as long as nobody actually lifts the cup to your lips and helps you drink it you are fine - that's also the way in Switzerland I think, so the rugby player must have used a straw. Sam can use one arm so he'll be ok.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Euthana...roduction.aspx |
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I dont think it makes Sam lily livered that he accepts Emma's needs elsewhere - it made for an unconventional relationship yes, but doesnt necessarily imply weakness in my mind - probably you need more strength to accept that. I know that if Mr Champers played away I'd have his bits for ear-rings. Admittedly not very pretty ones ...
I've been thinking about Sam's condition, I can't really see why he finds his existence untenable -the stroke damage could be physioed surely? And has his mental faculties - he can think and reason and speak clearly he could still lecture , write papers etc - Stephen Hawking does it ... also was reading on Twitter about Jim Sweeney today who has MS (those of you who remember the original Whose Line Is It Anyway? might recall him.) His will to live is inspiring. SO Sam and his 'Oh my catheter spilled' is a bit hollow. My Mum is 80 and has only 9 toes, less hair, cant walk far, and has no small intestine but she's still feisty. In fact I got told off today for 'not have a Sholley' lol I guess my point is if they are going down the euthanasia route, at least make it believable... When it comes to Physio Therapy to help people regain movement after having a stroke, I think it does all depend on how bad the stroke is but to a certain or even quite a large extent it is possible. Not only do I have a relative who went through all of that and regained some movement doing things like that but I remember Kirk Douglas being interviewed on a chat show once and he was talking about the stroke he suffered and he had to learn how to talk all over again after his stroke. I can't remember now how much it affected his movements but he was able to walk in that interview and I take it he still can. |
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Has anyone noticed, Zara and Al are both on the opening credits!!
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One word.
ZARA !!!!
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Still not caught up with the episodes I missed and I think they've probably gone off iplayer now too.
![]() The situation with Sam I know Heston said today Sam is showing no signs of clinical depression but in my experience GPs are sometimes blind to the obvious. Part of me thinks that Sam could be suffering from some kind of depression or PTSD. His accident only happened a year or so ago from what I gather and on top of the trauma of that, with the prospect of never walking again, he's also had a stroke which has no doubt set back any progress even further. It's a lot for anyone to deal with in such a short space of time and I can imagine an active man like Sam would feel his life was basically over. Has he ever had any proper support showing him that being in a wheelchair doesn't have to mean he can no longer do things and there are ways to help him adapt to his new life? If they do go through with the suicide clinic route I hope it isn't just done as a way to leave it open for Howard and Emma to get together. Sorry if a lot of this has been mentioned, but I haven't followed the thread or episode as much lately. Nice to see Zara back full throttle today. Looks like any hope of Julia returning have gone though with her wanting out of the partnership.
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Has anyone noticed, Zara and Al are both on the opening credits!!
But that also means we're stuck with Al for the forseeable He might improve.Relevant to nothing really, but my youngest daughter was watching Dani's House on iplayer today, and I happened to glance over and saw Dido Miles on it. |
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Blimey, it's just like 'Borgen'.
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Is it me or is Doctors starting to focus only on the church lady?
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I'm sorry, but why do so many people like Zara? she is sour, sarcastic and her attack on Howard uncalled for. Cowardy custards Heston and Daniel just sit there and let her rant on. I hate parking wardens but just this once I was soooo pleased. I hope she's riding for a fall, a painful fall.
The woman in church is a narrow minded and by the lights of even unbelievers thoroughly 'unchristian'. I do agree with Mrs Tembe giving the vicar a talking to about manipulation. And I still think he's a bit creepy. |
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Okay, folks, who is giving Zara the information, don't think it's Karen vis à vis Zara's expressed contempt for her today, don't think it would be Jimmi
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Okay, folks, who is giving Zara the information, don't think it's Karen vis à vis Zara's expressed contempt for her today, don't think it would be Jimmi
I love having Zara back...nothing like a good soap bitch. ![]() I quite like the vicar too, those old biddys need shaking up. Besides he seems to have a soft spot for Mrs T. |
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Okay, folks, who is giving Zara the information, don't think it's Karen vis à vis Zara's expressed contempt for her today, don't think it would be Jimmi
Actually really enjoyed todays episode despite the lack of 'doctoring'. The reaction of the church ladies at Mrs Tembe's suggestion they will be in the graveyard rather than the church eventually was hilarious. ![]() Love Zara's mention of Princess Pinky. The reason I like Zara is because part of me wishes I was more like her, not scared to say how I feel regardless of whether people like it or not. More to the point to not even feel guilty for doing it. I like that she is thick skinned against most things too. Basically I am the opposite of Zara, a total coward and wimp, far too sensitive and considerate of others, usually to my own detriment. I hate it and wish I knew how to change myself to be a bit more like Zara and toughen up without the guilt. Thats my personal reasons for why I like her anyway.
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Tuesdays episode
Terrible. The worst episode for sometime. I loved the scenes with Sam and Emma because I think this storyline is written pretty well and the acting has been outstanding. Zaras rant was fantastic and i'm glad she's back. The Daily storyline was pathetic and that old women was annoying. Nice to see Al has made it onto the credits now but why does Mandy and Chris share one? |
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I wouldn't put it past Daniel to be doing it in a bid to get back into Zara's good books. He probably also knows by painting such a black picture of the running of the surgery it is likely to bring her back so she can protect her investment, therefore bringing her and Joe back to Letherbridge and closer to him.
Actually really enjoyed todays episode despite the lack of 'doctoring'. The reaction of the church ladies at Mrs Tembe's suggestion they will be in the graveyard rather than the church eventually was hilarious. ![]() Love Zara's mention of Princess Pinky. The reason I like Zara is because part of me wishes I was more like her, not scared to say how I feel regardless of whether people like it or not. More to the point to not even feel guilty for doing it. I like that she is thick skinned against most things too. Basically I am the opposite of Zara, a total coward and wimp, far too sensitive and considerate of others, usually to my own detriment. I hate it and wish I knew how to change myself to be a bit more like Zara and toughen up without the guilt. Thats my personal reasons for why I like her anyway. ![]() me too I can think vile things but don't dare say them....... even on this thread
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She wants out at the Mill now

In all seriousness though surely Emma would have the funds to buy him a power chair.

