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anyonefortennis
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“I was in Regent Street today and got my first proper play with the watch. I actually pre-ordered one on Friday sight unseen - and before I get derided for that, I had no choice (), I'm firmly in the Apple Ecosystem and I have to have the latest toys no matter who produces them. However, I must say I was pretty impressed by the UI. I really don't know what all this talk of unintuitive and difficult to use is about. To someone who has an iPhone (the only market for this device) it takes about 30 seconds to master it. Time will tell, but I think they've come up with the right combination of touch and physical buttons.”

Yeah I was having problems opening the apps on the screen cause they were so tiny but he just showed me you can turn the dial and it will zoom in on the app you want to open. I felt like James Bond.
tdenson
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Yeah I was having problems opening the apps on the screen cause they were so tiny but he just showed me you can turn the dial and it will zoom in on the app you want to open. I felt like James Bond. ”

Likewise when I was playing with maps. I originally thought maps would be a bit of a gimmick on a watch and totally unusable. But with it being so easy to zoom in (pinching doesn't really work well on such a small screen) It changed my view, and I can now see myself using maps, particularly for walking directions.
Stiggles
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I'll look them up if you really want me to, but many criticised the way apps were selected and launched (described as long winded). Has that changed?

As for you only going with your experience. You made many comments criticising the apple watch UI way before you went on Sunday, so I'm not sure where you got your experience from.”

Many? No. I said I didn't like the look of it. That was it. I went to see it and didn't really like it.
IvanIV
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Likewise when I was playing with maps. I originally thought maps would be a bit of a gimmick on a watch and totally unusable. But with it being so easy to zoom in (pinching doesn't really work well on such a small screen) It changed my view, and I can now see myself using maps, particularly for walking directions.”

You could always ask All this tech isolates people more and more. Not that I talk to people much either, but it's absurd how everybody is in their little bubble, head down, molesting their phone and now a watch, too.
anyonefortennis
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“You could always ask All this tech isolates people more and more. Not that I talk to people much either, but it's absurd how everybody is in their little bubble, head down, molesting their phone and now a watch, too.”

I guess you don't live in London.
IvanIV
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“I guess you don't live in London.”

Does it matter if you are walking?
anyonefortennis
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Does it matter if you are walking?”

It does in London where people will just shrug and say they don't know or totally ignore you.
Stiggles
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“Snobby Union Square nuff said ”

Good point
tdenson
14-04-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“You could always ask All this tech isolates people more and more. Not that I talk to people much either, but it's absurd how everybody is in their little bubble, head down, molesting their phone and now a watch, too.”

My experiences of asking people compared with using a GPS based map is very poor to say the least. It also seems that the more local a person is the worse the directions they give.
calico_pie
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“If you buy an exclusive one in a thousand print and pay good money. The cost is in the marketing.”

No - I'm going to stop you right there.

You don't have to buy an "exclusive one in a thousand" birthday card at all.

The average price of a regular birthday card in a regular card shop must be £2-3, not 10p.

its just bizarre they way you are going on about this as though Apple are being devious in a way that is unusual, when its just what any virtually every business does with virtually every product.
calico_pie
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“
Your high end, more flattering, £170 stainless steel £150 or so Moto 360, the LG R or the always on Sony 3 likely have associated costs triple that of the iWatch.”

Going to stop yo there too - what are the respective costs for all of the above products?

With any semblance of a source, other than what you think.
calico_pie
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“I was in Regent Street today and got my first proper play with the watch. I actually pre-ordered one on Friday sight unseen - and before I get derided for that, I had no choice (), I'm firmly in the Apple Ecosystem and I have to have the latest toys no matter who produces them. However, I must say I was pretty impressed by the UI. I really don't know what all this talk of unintuitive and difficult to use is about. To someone who has an iPhone (the only market for this device) it takes about 30 seconds to master it. Time will tell, but I think they've come up with the right combination of touch and physical buttons.”

I think someone said they didn't like the crown, and preferred the Gear where you could just touch the screen.

It wasn't clear whether or not they realised that anything you can use the crown for, you can also use the screen for if you prefer.

I'd be surprised if it was that difficult to pick up though.
Stuart_h
15-04-2015
Whilst clearly not wanting to be associated with the ramblings of alan (!!) Apple are renowned for taking a much higher profit margin than most similar companies. So, theoretically, a £500 item from, say, HTC will get you more "bang for your buck" than a £500 item from apple as somewhere over 40% of the retail price will be down as "profit".

I assume that's what alan is trying to suggest but is coming up with extreme and incorrect facts and figures.

As per the card scenario if one company were selling cards on older style paper but charging significantly more money that all other card manufacturers were charging then they would probably be out of business pretty quickly
Stuart_h
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I think someone said they didn't like the crown, and preferred the Gear where you could just touch the screen.

It wasn't clear whether or not they realised that anything you can use the crown for, you can also use the screen for if you prefer.

I'd be surprised if it was that difficult to pick up though.”

Some people have suggested that android wear is complex. I'd be surprised if anyone found it difficult to pick up

Genuinely I doubt either ui is tricky but preferences will be diverse as with everything

Personally I quite like the concept of zooming via rotating a bezel which has been patented - this seems much less fiddly than a tiny crown and would work equally well for lefties.
tdenson
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I'd be surprised if it was that difficult to pick up though.”

Hardly. You turn it one way and it zooms out, you turn it the other way and it zooms in. I didn't need my doctorate in computer science to work that out
tdenson
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Whilst clearly not wanting to be associated with the ramblings of alan (!!) Apple are renowned for taking a much higher profit margin than most similar companies. So, theoretically, a £500 item from, say, HTC will get you more "bang for your buck" than a £500 item from apple as somewhere over 40% of the retail price will be down as "profit".”

And none of us on here who are labeled as Apple fans would dispute that. However there are intangibles such as support and the ecosystem that go some way towards making up that difference. And at the end of the day, I am happy to pay a bit of an Apple tax (but not as big as Alan makes out) to use Apple products.
tdenson
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“ this seems much less fiddly than a tiny crown and would work equally well for lefties.”

I think this lefties card is overplayed. I am left handed and I'm not aware of any of my left handed friends (or myself for that matter) who wear their watch on their right hand. Although I do agree, a bezel is probably a better solution.
tdenson
15-04-2015
Doh ! Just realised the problem of a bezel on a square watch and why wheels are round
alanwarwic
15-04-2015
This one seems to have passed most of us by, and understandably so.

The iWatch uses an LG POLED display, like what is in the LG G Flex smartphone.
LG also have the more costly round version in their LG Watch R.

So is this Apple's ever first use of more expensive OLED ?
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One the current subject of maps, scrutinising London might just be a little easier with Sharps new 4K 5.5" smartphone screen..
zx50
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“I don't wear a watch of any sort at the moment, instead relying on the clock on my phone. Is there much difference between getting your phone out of your pocket or raising your arm to stare at your wrist? perhaps. I'll wait and see for now though....”

Yes, because getting it out of your pocket means that you have to spend a short amount of time positioning it so that you can see its face. When your watch is on your wrist though, it's just a case of simply lifting your arm up and turning it as you do so that you can see the watch face. I think watches will start changing to be more futuristic though. A watch simply being made for telling the time will change to one that can do quite a few things. Like the mobile phone, more features were added to it. I think the watch could go the same way.
kidspud
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“I think this lefties card is overplayed. I am left handed and I'm not aware of any of my left handed friends (or myself for that matter) who wear their watch on their right hand. Although I do agree, a bezel is probably a better solution.”

I'm left handed, and watches are designed to be worn on the left wrist. However, I'm not sure I understand the issue with a smartwatch, because if you want to wear it on your right wrist, you just rotate the display.
kidspud
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“This one seems to have passed most of us by, and understandably so.

The iWatch uses an LG POLED display, like what is in the LG G Flex smartphone.
LG also have the more costly round version in their LG Watch R.

So is this Apple's ever first use of more expensive OLED ?
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One the current subject of maps, scrutinising London might just be a little easier with Sharps new 4K 5.5" smartphone screen..
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I think the name of the watch passed you by, so it's no wonder you missed other details.

Using maps on a rectangle face if far more sensible than on a round face, irrespective of screen size of watch make.
tdenson
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“One the current subject of maps, scrutinising London might just be a little easier with Sharps new 4K 5.5" smartphone screen..
”

But a little harder to strap to your wrist
Stiggles
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I think someone said they didn't like the crown, and preferred the Gear where you could just touch the screen.

It wasn't clear whether or not they realised that anything you can use the crown for, you can also use the screen for if you prefer.

I'd be surprised if it was that difficult to pick up though.”

It's not difficult to pick up and really, that's not the point. It's all about for apple 'intuitiveness' which i feel the apple watch is not whatsoever. I just felt it was easier to use the screen for everything. Thus making the crown completely pointless to me.

But the issue with the apple watch is, its so crowded with icons on the screen making it not only look messy, but you really have to use the crown which for me anyway and certainly a few around me when i was playing with it, more a pain than just touching the screen. Some of the software looks quite nice though.

It also takes longer to do things as well i felt than i would take on my Samsung watch due to the crown.
kidspud
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“But a little harder to strap to your wrist ”

Maybe Sharp will bring out a 5.5 inch round screen AW will be really happy, if they sell it for £10
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