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bit more info on Apple's new product:
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Sony don't have anything like the integration of hardware and software that Apple have.
I have the original LiveView and the problem was nothing to do with integration, it was entirely down to implementation - it was a flawed, half-arsed product like so many other mobile products Sony (Ericsson) have released in the past few years. I'm not sure what this "integration" has gained Apple, their products aren't obviously better in any way than anything available running Android or WP. Google tend to be hands off and maybe give gentle guidance. Apple like to have complete control over their products. Which way you go is personal preference. |
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bit more info on Apple's new product:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...2/apple-iwatch Does anyone remember the MS SPOT range? They were intriguing devices, time, weather, news, traffic alerts. That was 9 years back. Fossil released the wrist PDA 10 years back running the Palm OS. Fossil/SE released the MBW-100 in 2006 (way too shiny), the MBW-150 was released a year later and refined the design into a conventional looking watch that could also answer calls, read text messages, control your music player. Watches are bracelets that can tell the time. Smartwatches are bracelets that can tell the time and perform a variety of other functions. What Apple has patented does (so far) just appear to be another smartwatch. Typical Apple patent, they'll be after the wheel next .... |
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Google tend to be hands off and maybe give gentle guidance.
Most of their software products like maps, latitude, now and gmail speak for themselves. There is, as yet, little compelling as a general alternative |
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I'm not sure what this "integration" has gained Apple, their products aren't obviously better in any way than anything available running Android or WP.
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This results in lower battery requirements
Integration almost feels likes it is becoming the a buzz word for 'cant do very much'. |
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Well I always wondered if the lack of multi-tasking was to deal with the inadequacies of the battery.
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Their integration enables them to achieve the same with less horsepower. This results in lower battery requirements giving (typically) slimmer and lighter products.
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I didn't think it lacked multitasking, it is just restricted to certain apps. Although I don't know who decides these restrictions.
Anyway on something like a watch, battery life is going to be a significant issue. People are just not accustomed to having to charge them regularly, unlike phones. So trade-offs may have to be made on screen quality and functionality etc. |
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I didn't think it lacked multitasking, it is just restricted to certain apps. Although I don't know who decides these restrictions.
All devices multi task to an extent otherwise the phone would never ring when we are checking email etc. Designated essential background apps do not make for true multi-tasking. I read somewhere that Apple is working on making IOS cope with 4 processors so maybe things will evolve when they achieve the fundamental change in 'own SOC design'. I'm think they choose that simpler variation of the older Cortex A9 with the optional add-on divide added due to design delays, maybe even from Samsung. The Nexus 10 is first to have those next gen ARM chips using the Cortex A15. Maybe the watch will use an A5 or even a proprietary design by a contractor. |
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I'm sure most of us know who decides those restrictions.
All devices multi task to an extent otherwise the phone would never ring when we are checking email etc. Designated essential background apps do not make for true multi-tasking. I read somewhere that Apple is working on making IOS cope with 4 processors so maybe things will evolve when they achieve the fundamental change in 'own SOC design'. I'm think they choose that simpler variation of the older Cortex A9 with the optional add-on divide added due to design delays, maybe even from Samsung. The Nexus 10 is first to have those next gen ARM chips using the Cortex A15. Maybe the watch will use an A5 or even a proprietary design by a contractor. |
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...Maybe one of the app developers on here can shed some light.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4211 "Multitasking doesn't slow down the performance of the foreground app" No slowdown, how does that work then? ?
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and Apple also tell you how their own definition.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4211 "Multitasking doesn't slow down the performance of the foreground app" No slowdown, how does that work then? ?![]() |
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I don't know, but it wasn't really relevant to my question. You implied that iOS doesn't do multitasking, but I know (for example) that BBC iplayer continues to download even when you are not in the app so that would mean it is being allowed to multitask. I don't know the rules iOS apply but some apps are obviously being allowed to run.
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Slimmer lighter devices from Apple are a result of a mildly anal attention to detail on hardware. Software/hardware integration is nothing to do with it.
It stands to reason that being in control of both hardware and software enables the developers to 1. cut corners and 2. create corners, where necessary e.g. the existence of API calls in the SDK which are "Apple only". Incidentally, this is why Apple are loathe to publish technical specs i.e. because they achieve more with less but get slated for their apparently underpowered hardware specs in the technical press and forums like this. |
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and Apple also tell you how their own definition.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4211 "Multitasking doesn't slow down the performance of the foreground app" No slowdown, how does that work then? ?![]() |
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Yeah, I was going to mention iPlayer as an example. There must be some restrictions though. For example, if you leave Dropbox to upload in the background, after a while it will notify you that the phone has paused the upload. You then have to go back into the app for it to resume.
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I don't know, but it wasn't really relevant to my question. You implied that iOS doesn't do multitasking
It is made very difficult to discuss sensibly considering Apple is using the word quite differently. |
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Yes, the Apple philosophy is to try and reduce inadvertent draining of battery by controlling what you can and can't do under certain conditions. This tends to result in a more draconian imposition of multi tasking rules - you pays your money and takes your choice, personally I rather like the Apple approach.
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Yes it was.
It is made very difficult to discuss sensibly considering Apple is using the word quite differently. ![]() There are many more pages in the developers library which goes into detail of how the apps work, how they can run in the background and what they can do. It is an interesting read and confirms my observations that apps can indeed multitask. So I'm happy I have my answer now. |
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Not sure about that.
Most of their software products like maps, latitude, now and gmail speak for themselves. There is, as yet, little compelling as a general alternative |
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confirms my observations that apps can indeed multitask. So I'm happy I have my answer now.
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I dont. My S3 and this N4 outlasted my 4S and my dads iphone 5. So cant be working well can it?
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Depends who you speak to. Some people say their S3 lasts 5 minutes. You are probably more savvy when it comes to knowing how to manage battery life. The Apple philosophy is they'll do it for you - which I know is what you don't like about Apple, and sometimes nor do I. Also worth pointing out the 2100ma vs 1440ma, so hardly apples with apples.
I don't ever manage my battery and I use it till it dies. It still lasts longer than my iphone did. |
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Depends who you speak to. Some people say their S3 lasts 5 minutes. You are probably more savvy when it comes to knowing how to manage battery life. The Apple philosophy is they'll do it for you - which I know is what you don't like about Apple, and sometimes nor do I. Also worth pointing out the 2100ma vs 1440ma, so hardly apples with apples.
You can tweak Android to your hearts content but you can make it worse too, such installing all these battery saving apps and disabling options based on your cell mast!
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