Originally Posted by technologist:
“[E]everyone will be on T2”
“[E]everyone will be on T2”
DVB-T Switchover was only completed seven months ago
BBC Red button changes
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Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch:
“DVB-T Switchover was only completed seven months ago”
“DVB-T Switchover was only completed seven months ago
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and started 15 years ago .... and T2 6 years ago ....
so assume about 4 years time..... and linked with the need to have more spectrum for mobile comms .. there is a good news for the government here I feel!!!
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“303 is on BBC B not Arq A.
302 is on Arq A where there is unused capacity.”
“303 is on BBC B not Arq A.
302 is on Arq A where there is unused capacity.”
Ah right. Is 302 actually going to show anything other than a data stream though?
302, that is so yesterday. My 302 has now become 308, which is obviously six better, and so well worth the upgrade. It happened some time after the other Waltham changes.
Originally Posted by Mick Jones:
“302, that is so yesterday. My 302 has now become 308, which is obviously six better, and so well worth the upgrade. It happened some time after the other Waltham changes.”
“302, that is so yesterday. My 302 has now become 308, which is obviously six better, and so well worth the upgrade. It happened some time after the other Waltham changes.”
Yes, 302 not found but 308 is, with a caption saying 'if you can see this message on ch 302, please retune your freeview reciever'
I like the message on 303 that the best of bbc red button will be in HD.
Yeah another p***take retune
Yeah another p***take retune
Originally Posted by Mickey_T:
“Lol, yet another retune”
“Lol, yet another retune
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Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“Yeah another p***take retune”
“Yeah another p***take retune
”
Why such a big deal? If you don't want to retune then don't do a retune. The world won't come to an end. You won't even lose any existing channels. Why waste your energy on it- just ignore it!
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“BTW I think 308 only exists to remind viewers to retune, and won't become a video stream.”
“BTW I think 308 only exists to remind viewers to retune, and won't become a video stream.”
The page Sue linked to says they will have three red button streams for Glastonbury, so I suspect it will be used.
If it wasn't they would have removed the LCN or shunted it down to the 790s as the current practice is.
Originally Posted by technologist:
“and started 15 years ago .... and T2 6 years ago ....”
“and started 15 years ago .... and T2 6 years ago ....”
T2 was rolled out at the end of 2009, wasn't it? That's not even four years.
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“Why such a big deal? If you don't want to retune then don't do a retune. The world won't come to an end. You won't even lose any existing channels. Why waste your energy on it- just ignore it!”
“Why such a big deal? If you don't want to retune then don't do a retune. The world won't come to an end. You won't even lose any existing channels. Why waste your energy on it- just ignore it!”
Because retunes are all too frequent on freeview to get new channels or for other changes.
And that of course means having to reset favourites and delete all the unwanted guff yet again from the channel list.
So why not try stopping retuning until there's something in the Changelog you do want to have in your EPG?
Originally Posted by Mickey_T:
“Because retunes are all too frequent on freeview to get new channels or for other changes.”
“Because retunes are all too frequent on freeview to get new channels or for other changes.”
And so it will remain, forever more, unless you want everything to stay the same, forever more.
Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch:
“So why not try stopping retuning until there's something in the Changelog you do want to have in your EPG?”
“So why not try stopping retuning until there's something in the Changelog you do want to have in your EPG?”
Because my box will constantly nag me over and over again about retuning.
Originally Posted by kasg:
“And so it will remain, forever more, unless you want everything to stay the same, forever more.”
“And so it will remain, forever more, unless you want everything to stay the same, forever more.”
Well my freesat box manages to update new channels and changes without messing up my favourites and requiring me to delete all the unwanted channels again. So you have to ask why can't freeview?
I can see the HD stream on Freeview. I find it strange that they've called it 303 HD instead of 301 HD - is it not going to be a 301 simulcast then? I'm surprised neither new stream has appeared on satellite yet.
Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“I can see the HD stream on Freeview. I find it strange that they've called it 303 HD instead of 301 HD - is it not going to be a 301 simulcast then?”
“I can see the HD stream on Freeview. I find it strange that they've called it 303 HD instead of 301 HD - is it not going to be a 301 simulcast then?”
The screen caption for 303 says 'the best of BBC Red Button in HD' so I imagine it could be a mix of both the SD red button streams.
It also now says 'Coming soon for summer 2013' which also indicates to me that it will only be a temporary service.
But why would they ever put "the best" stuff on 302? Surely a non-simulcast channel is more expensive to run - hell, it's the whole reason BBC HD doesn't exist any more!
I can understand it being used for 3D (Wimbledon finals, for example) but otherwise it should just be 301 HD, IMO.
I can understand it being used for 3D (Wimbledon finals, for example) but otherwise it should just be 301 HD, IMO.
Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“I can see the HD stream on Freeview. I find it strange that they've called it 303 HD instead of 301 HD - is it not going to be a 301 simulcast then? I'm surprised neither new stream has appeared on satellite yet.”
“I can see the HD stream on Freeview. I find it strange that they've called it 303 HD instead of 301 HD - is it not going to be a 301 simulcast then? I'm surprised neither new stream has appeared on satellite yet.”
I think it has! I linked to a thread earlier on in the week on the satellite forums where it first appeared as a duplicate BBC 2 (I think).
Edit: Just checked - it was the 24th May when the 303 ident data appeared.
Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“But why would they ever put "the best" stuff on 302? Surely a non-simulcast channel is more expensive to run - hell, it's the whole reason BBC HD doesn't exist any more!
I can understand it being used for 3D (Wimbledon finals, for example) but otherwise it should just be 301 HD, IMO.”
“But why would they ever put "the best" stuff on 302? Surely a non-simulcast channel is more expensive to run - hell, it's the whole reason BBC HD doesn't exist any more!
I can understand it being used for 3D (Wimbledon finals, for example) but otherwise it should just be 301 HD, IMO.”
Don't know mate. I'm just going by what the message on the screen says and my interpretation of it.
It could just end up being a simulcast of 301, but then 301 isn't a 'real' channel number anyway so it doesn't really matter if 303 HD is called 301 HD or not.
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“I think it has! I linked to a thread earlier on in the week on the satellite forums where it first appeared as a duplicate BBC 2 (I think).
Edit: Just checked - it was the 24th May when the 303 ident data appeared.”
“I think it has! I linked to a thread earlier on in the week on the satellite forums where it first appeared as a duplicate BBC 2 (I think).
Edit: Just checked - it was the 24th May when the 303 ident data appeared.”
Can't see anything new on the BBC's HD transponders.
Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“Can't see anything new on the BBC's HD transponders.”
“Can't see anything new on the BBC's HD transponders.”
Thread from May 24th in the DS Freesat forum: "BBC Red Button HD on the way?" http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1829916
Originally Posted by Mickey_T:
“Well my freesat box manages to update new channels and changes without messing up my favourites and requiring me to delete all the unwanted channels again. So you have to ask why can't freeview?”
“Well my freesat box manages to update new channels and changes without messing up my favourites and requiring me to delete all the unwanted channels again. So you have to ask why can't freeview?”
It depends on the Freeview Box's software, Mickey: my TVOnics DTR HV-250 added 308 without any onscreen message telling me it had done so. The first I knew was 308 appearing after 302 on the EPG - I'd hidden 304-307 a while back.
See, for example http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...update-work%3F for another example.
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