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Old 16-02-2013, 08:47
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A real opportunity to demand nhs trusts reveal what gagging orders they have in place.

Instead Jeremy hunt has written to 'urge' them to consider the effect such orders may have on patients.

Total cop out.

Separate issue .... Do you think gagging orders might actually work in the public interest on the basis of what you dont know cant harm you?
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Old 16-02-2013, 08:54
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In the recent case, was covering up and avoiding the issue, harmful to the people who died?
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Old 16-02-2013, 09:05
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In the recent case, was covering up and avoiding the issue, harmful to the people who died?
Quite right. On the other hand no system is perfect, even those involving public health, if all the dangers were made public knowledge would people refuse to use their hospital, leading to unnecessary health complications, even deaths. In othet words a worse situation.
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Old 16-02-2013, 23:15
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What's the point in writing to trusts when the orders are coming from the SHAs/Department of Health.

From what I understand they should have all been signed off by the department of health. Possibly even the minister for health if recent reports are true.

What they need to do is say they are all null and void. Then come down like a ton of bricks of anyone who then tries to enforce them. But then if they have come from the top.....
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Old 16-02-2013, 23:37
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Quite right. On the other hand no system is perfect, even those involving public health, if all the dangers were made public knowledge would people refuse to use their hospital, leading to unnecessary health complications, even deaths. In othet words a worse situation.
So cover up corruption and incompetence in the health service for "the safety of the public"?

Brilliant.

That way, we can never hold anyone to account for anything.
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Old 16-02-2013, 23:46
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Old 17-02-2013, 01:12
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A real opportunity to demand nhs trusts reveal what gagging orders they have in place.

Instead Jeremy hunt has written to 'urge' them to consider the effect such orders may have on patients.

Total cop out.

Separate issue .... Do you think gagging orders might actually work in the public interest on the basis of what you dont know cant harm you?
I would just hope those subject to gagging orders simply break them, tell us what's gone on and see which trusts would dare to take them to task over them. In the current climate, I'm not sure any of them would. It would be political suicide for the trustees.
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Old 17-02-2013, 01:14
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In the recent case, was covering up and avoiding the issue, harmful to the people who died?
Yes. The trust was refusing to treat emergency cases in order to meet non-emergency DoH targets. Continuing to do so would mean emergency patients continuing to die.
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Old 17-02-2013, 12:51
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They can't be limp wristed I mean after all there all w@nkers aren't they?
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