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Spoilers & Information Beginning to Come In (Part 2)
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Tardy
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“What a completely over the top response to a one liner (which happened to be true). I know many many people who work very hard but they don't ruin my favourite TV show in the way Moffat has done.”


I really don't think the show has been ruined. In fact the last three episodes have been three of the best since dr who returned. The show is different from years gone by with wobbly sets and clearly faked monsters but that was part of the reason people loved it along with the stories and characters. I bet back then there were people who hated the show but would love it now. It all subjective to individuals I know but we have to take our hats off to the production team and actors for working their butts off to give us such a great family show !! Long may they reign !!!
Granny McSmith
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Tardy:
“
.. we have to take our hats off to the production team and actors for working their butts off to give us such a great family show !! Long may they reign !!!”

And here's me thinking they were doing a job they love (unlike most people) and getting paid quite a lot (unlike most people) for doing it.
OswaldBar
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“What a completely over the top response to a one liner (which happened to be true). I know many many people who work very hard but they don't ruin my favourite TV show in the way Moffat has done.”

My post was nothing to do with your "one liner" and was far from over the top, as usual you are one of these people who no doubt just love dissing people for the fun of it.

I was talking about "fans" who seem to think they could do a much better job and in most cases...couldnt!!!
Eleven
09-05-2013
Hi, I've a question (and sorry for my bad english). Some people told me about the Doctor has only 12 regenerations. This is sure ? Time Lords have a limit ?
The Gatherer
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by OswaldBar:
“My post was nothing to do with your "one liner" and was far from over the top, as usual you are one of these people who no doubt just love dissing people for the fun of it.

I was talking about "fans" who seem to think they could do a much better job and in most cases...couldnt!!!”

It wasn't my one liner. Just because I disagree with your (somewhat extreme) defence of the production team, doesn't mean I love dissing people for the fun of it. I just happen to think they haven't done a very good job, an opinion I am perfectly entitled to hold.
The Gatherer
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“And here's me thinking they were doing a job they love (unlike most people) and getting paid quite a lot (unlike most people) for doing it.”

Exactly!
Granny McSmith
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Eleven:
“Hi, I've a question (and sorry for my bad english). Some people told me about the Doctor has only 12 regenerations. This is sure ? Time Lords have a limit ?”

In the Classic series it was said that the Time Lords had a limit of 12 regenerations.

But I wouldn't take it as being true now. For a start, the Time Lords aren't around, so their rules may not apply any more.

And in the Doctor Who spin-off, The Sarah Jane Adventures, written by Russell T Davis, The 11th Doctor said he could regenerate 507 times.
Eleven
09-05-2013
Thank you for your answer
Shandyman81
09-05-2013
A McGann rumour...

Spoiler
supposedly McGann filmed a regeneration scene for a prequel to the 50th....
Josh Pinder
09-05-2013
^^^ love the idea of that...hope its true
Dr2Pat
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Shandyman81:
“A McGann rumour...

Spoiler
supposedly McGann filmed a regeneration scene for a prequel to the 50th....
”

Please let this be true. If it is, Thank you Steven Moffat.
To Shandyman81
Spoiler
Any idea who he regenerated into? Eccleston or Hurt?
Shandyman81
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Dr2Pat:
“Please let this be true. If it is, Thank you Steven Moffat.
To Shandyman81
Spoiler
Any idea who he regenerated into? Eccleston or Hurt?
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Well it's come from someone that has given good info before, so hoping so. Guess will wait and see.

Spoiler
no idea on that, would have assumed hurt since eccleston wasn't committing.
Granny McSmith
09-05-2013
Originally Posted by Eleven:
“Thank you for your answer ”

You are welcome.
ncr1969
09-05-2013
Ok... Try this. An idea I've had since the first Hurt pic was released and only reinforced - not contradicted by various rumours and spoilers since.

First thought - the GI was resurrected for a purpose this year. The G.I has sought to possess The Doctor's body as a vessel - and his knowledge- before - Web of Fear?.

The GI attempts to fuse with or "jump into" and posses The Doctor at the point of McGann's regeneration. Result: a "carrier" 9th Doctor. Not a villain strictly speaking but certainly The Doctor an unwilling vessel of the GI. He may fight this possession during the course of the 50th, or be totally consumed (I favour the former). What chaos would this cause?. What crimes he'd rather forget would The Doctor commit?. Ultimately it will be Clara that saves The Doctor - that's possibly also been foreshadowed for reasons I'll come to.

The 50th is resolved by The Doctor regenerating to the "true 9th" Doctor and the obsessives can relax that their numbering system is intact still - though The Doctor has still "lost" another regenerative process (on top of that Tennant hand business... Such an idea stands up to a certain amount of foreshadowing in series 7. Now a lot of other fans have picked up on certain stories referencing "Alien" this year. "Cold War" obviously as "Thing from Another World" was an inspiration for "Alien". Also "Journey to the Centre of the Tardis" for it's production design. There have been many other observations made such as the "Hide" creature. Now I'm not a big fan of that film but I was pondering one or two ideas so I did some research. Indulge me while I throw in a few more possible nods:

Mr Sweet had a certain similarity to a certain chest bursting Critter. Who was the "innocent victim" and carrier of Alien infection and incursion in this film?. John Hurt.

Perhaps, just perhaps a mischievous Moffat has been foreshadowing the 50th with a series of thematic clues rather than a traditional story arc this year - tucked away in most episodes for those who like to hunt. Interestingly, the flashback in "Crimson" aped another classic British film: "The Elephant Man" starring....

I believe someone has also pointed out a Transformer toy that is perhaps too rare to just be a prop?. Hints at reincarnation of an existing character and would fit in with pop culture references foreshadowing the themes and plot to come.

We also have a young audience introduced and educated to the ideas of The Doctor being susceptible to infection (Crimson) and split regenerative personalities (Silver).

Older viewers are of course used to both concepts.

Ok, if you buy all this tosh this lets consider Clara... To all intents and purposes she's" Ripley" in my proposed analogy (played by Sigourney Weaver in Alien). This places the Companion at the heart of the story of the mystery of "The Doctor" - just as first set out in 1963 (not just a Nu Who invention!).

In Alien Ripley had a fraught relationship with the Ship's computer - sound familiar?.

In Alien there were two "heroes" - Ripley and her newly adopted Ship's Cat. What was TARDIS compared to this year, and what "magical" animal is referenced in the fictional children's book by Amy recently released online?...

(TARDIS as a cat was a nice nod to the Cat's Cradle book btw!!)

The Companion and the TARDIS are The Doctor's salvation.

A lot of fans have obsessed over Clara's preference for wearing red. Interestingly, Sigourney's other big film role of the period was "Working Girl" where she played "The Boss". Many of the most well known stills show Sigourney in red. The film is perhaps most famous for it's hit song "Lady in Red...

Maybe a case of seeing patterns... or maybe just maybe a series arc of cultural nods foreshadowing the finale and 50th. Clara fails to totally resolve matters in the series finale setting up the 50th. Essentially a two parter really.

You decide if I'm bonkers. In my defence Id say just look at how much imagery is consciously being used in "Silver" referencing old Cybermen stories - not to mention little nods to all eras throughout the series. Imagery as a shorthand for themes is very big this year.

PS Back on Gallifrey Base two years ago I suggested a fitting 50th would be the appearance of a "wrong" First Doctor. Setting up the opportunity for a one off appearance by a big star in a revised history of our Character's earliest days as he and Matt have to set the timeline right. Not only could Moffat milk pathos with the inevitable death of this Doctor never meant to be, but any canonical changes to our understanding of established lore would be argued over for years by fans as top whether they remain valid if the timeline was changed. Plenty of opportunity for mischief.

I discounted my own idea at the time as perhaps risking being unfairly criticized as too like The Next Doctor in some ways. As things are looking - was I roughly on the right lines with my suggestions?.
LeslieGrufford
10-05-2013
I don't believe anything I read here unless it's confirmed by the BBC. Fun to speculate. I'm sure the people spreading false rumours are having fun
Shandyman81
10-05-2013
Originally Posted by LeslieGrufford:
“I don't believe anything I read here unless it's confirmed by the BBC. Fun to speculate. I'm sure the people spreading false rumours are having fun ”

A lot of stuff being posted is from proven reliable sources who have given accurate info before....
ukgnome
10-05-2013
Actually I don't mind if John Hurt is a forgotten regeneration, the time war needed skilled yet unhinged fighters.

Missing regenerations isn't new in Sci-Fi, from the missing persona in Total recall to the forgotten host of the Dax symbiont in DS9
hartnellchrono
10-05-2013
Originally Posted by Westy2:
“Wasn't there a scene in the Eccleston first episode where he's shown in a drawing, wearing similar to the McGann costume?”

Yeah he was in the picture with the family boarding the titanic
Digital Sid
10-05-2013
The Sun also claiming Hurt is Nine. The story is quite obviously pulled from here though as they're using my made up scene as something a source told them actually happens :
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-spoilers.html
adams66
10-05-2013
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“The Sun also claiming Hurt is Nine. The story is quite obviously pulled from here though as they're using my made up scene as something a source told them actually happens :
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-spoilers.html”

That's brilliant - well done Sid, you now appear to be the Sun's official 'source' .
More proof, if any more were needed, that most of what the tabloids print is simply stolen from other 'sources' without any attempt to verify if it's true at all.
davrosdodebird
10-05-2013
More from Timeboy RE Omega:

Quote:
“Omega is this year's big spoiler that people don't seem to be taking seriously, but it's as concrete a spoiler as Auton Rory in series 5 and River being Amy's daughter in series 6, which (quite rightly) people found hard to believe.

But, and I'll probably have to say this dozens of times before November, but Omega is definitely in the special. He has a cool gun, too ”

Sophie ~Oohie~
10-05-2013
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“The Sun also claiming Hurt is Nine. The story is quite obviously pulled from here though as they're using my made up scene as something a source told them actually happens :
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-spoilers.html”

Which is your made up scene?
davrosdodebird
10-05-2013
!!!

RADIO TIMES ALL BUT CONFIRMS THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR PRE CREDITS SEQUENCE RUMOUR:

Quote:
“The Time Lord’s identity is certainly key to this momentous story, which — in a clever way that will have fans rewinding their recordings — takes in his whole story from Gallifrey to the end of days on Trenzalore...There’s a funereal air as the Great Intelligence and his undertaker-like Whisper Men intrude upon a bizarre conference call across the centuries between the Doctor’s closest allies: Vastra, Jenny, Strax, Clara and River Song. For some of our heroes, life will never be the same again, in one of the most audacious and emotional episodes to date. ”

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/wp...-of-the-doctor
Shawn_Lunn
10-05-2013
Really looking forward to The Name Of The Doctor now.

Sounds bloody fantastic.
saladfingers81
10-05-2013
This is all sounding far too exciting isn't it? If the pre credits sequence alone is what some have said this will be monumental!
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